AMD X2 5200 & 6000 & Conroe E6600

[DasFox]

I'm upgrading my system, and I'm not going to do any overclocking, how do these 3 cpus compare?

NewEgg has the X2 6000 for $229:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773

What ya guys think?

This is going to be for my GameRig, and gaming only.

I read that that the AMD is better then the Intel because of the on-die memory controller. Is this true?

THANKS

 

[mrfatboy]

The swammi says "e6600"

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: mrfatboy
The swammi says "e6600"

LOL, well that certainly isn't saying much...

 

[bamacre]

It is a shame you won't OC. The C2D will OC so easily.

At stock speeds, the AMD X2 6000+ is probably a little faster than the E6600. But getting the E6600 up to say 3Ghz would be so easy to do, and at 3Ghz, it would smash the X2 6000+.

Originally posted by: DasFox
I read that that the AMD is better then the Intel because of the on-die memory controller. Is this true?

Nope. Intel's architecture is much more efficient than the X2 cpu's. You can also use slower memory speeds, i.e., 533mhz DDR2 is all you need for the C2D, where the X2 needs the extra bandwidth. Even with DDR2 667mhz memory, it is easy to get a mild OC for the C2D's.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: bamacre
It is a shame you won't OC. The C2D will OC so easily.

At stock speeds, the AMD X2 6000+ is probably a little faster than the E6600. But getting the E6600 up to say 3Ghz would be so easy to do, and at 3Ghz, it would smash the X2 6000+.

Been there done that, now I just want to turn it on and play, and not worry about an OC'd CPU going bad in 6-12 months either...

HEY 3Ghz on a X2 6000 stock is good enough for me, LOL

I'm poor too, so if my Retail CPU croaks in 6-12 months, I like the security of knowing I can still RMA it.

ALOHA

 

[Nathelion]

If you absolutely refuse to OC, the AMD offering is the way to go.

 

[Oyeve]

Nice price! I paid more than that a year ago for my measly x2 3800+

 

[f4phantom2500]

if u won't oc, might as well go for an amd chip; for the price they're comparable to intel at stock, and they have cheaper motherboards. just get whichever x2 you are willing to shell out the cash for.

 

[stevty2889]

If you are not going to overclock I'd get the X2 6000+ it matches well against the 2.4ghz E6600. But like the others said, a mild and very easy overclock to 3ghz on the E6600 will destroy the 6000+, with no hope of it catching up.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Get the e6600 which is already a bit faster at stock clock plus you'll be ready for the next round of lga775 cpu's later on.

 

[DasFox]

Well honestly I'm leaning more towards getting a Conroe at the moment since everyone is so into them right now.

But I'd shoot myself when the Quad AMDs come out if they blow the Conroes, and they are selling for a good price.

Plus the Intels are taking a price cut in July
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=789466

So Conroe, AM2, Conroe, AM2, Conroe, AM2, THAT is the QUESTION, LOL

Ahh I can't make up my mind, LOL

 

[Captante]

If you have no plans to overclock then its a tough call as to which is better ... I'd go for whichever one is cheaper overall.

Note however that if you change your mind & decide to overclock even a little bit, the E6600 will be much faster & should still be completely reliable.

 

[DasFox]

No plans ever to OC again, just no time to mess with it, or worry about it.

ALOHA

 

[JAG87]

look, how long does it take to go into the bios and set the fsb to 333. honestly. you dont have to touch anything else. 333x9 = 3 GHZ can be had with stock volts and the stock heatsink, 100% stable. its stupid not to do it, as a matter of fact I recommend getting an E6420 since its the exact same cpu but cheaper. then set the FSB to 400 (for 3.2 ghz) and leave everything else on auto.

oh and also, if you go with core 2 duo get a 680i board, they are by far more overclock friendly then any intel chipset. just set it and forget it. it automatically overvolts making your life a lot easier. the only time you will actually need to set voltages yourself is if you are doing extreme overclocking, which you are not.

those are my 2c.

 

[DasFox]

Hmm someone made me realize, maybe I'm better off getting a P35 board, which is buying into 45nm support.

I guess really there is no telling how well the new Barcelona cpus are going to work.

Hmm Hmm Hmm

THANKS


P.S. JAG87 thanks for your 2 cents, LOL, I'm not a newbie, I just don't feel like messing with doing an OC anymore, that's all, plus the fact I like to buy retail CPUs, because I typically use a CPU for over a year. I like the warranty, OC it, and warranty dead.

Pluse doing a good FSB/CPU/RAM overclock takes time, and I'm not about to waste my time or hardware messing with it anymore.

Been there done that, THANKS, but, end of subject.

 

[lobbyone]

Originally posted by: JAG87
look, how long does it take to go into the bios and set the fsb to 333. honestly. you dont have to touch anything else. 333x9 = 3 GHZ can be had with stock volts and the stock heatsink, 100% stable. its stupid not to do it, as a matter of fact I recommend getting an E6420 since its the exact same cpu but cheaper. then set the FSB to 400 (for 3.2 ghz) and leave everything else on auto.

oh and also, if you go with core 2 duo get a 680i board, they are by far more overclock friendly then any intel chipset. just set it and forget it. it automatically overvolts making your life a lot easier. the only time you will actually need to set voltages yourself is if you are doing extreme overclocking, which you are not.

those are my 2c.

Originally posted by: DasFox
No plans ever to OC again, just no time to mess with it, or worry about it.

ALOHA

 

[Uppsala9496]

Originally posted by: DasFox

I'm poor too, so if my Retail CPU croaks in 6-12 months, I like the security of knowing I can still RMA it.

ALOHA

I doubt a small oc is going to kill the cpu in 6-12 months.
I've had a A64 1800+ (1.8ghz) overclocked for almost 36 months now (running at 2.3 ghz).
I had it at 2.498 until my mobo got fried because of a faulty power source (the fans died on the power source and I still ran it for another 18 months until it finally took a crap).
I really don't think there is that much of a risk on it going out.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: lobbyone

Originally posted by: JAG87
look, how long does it take to go into the bios and set the fsb to 333. honestly. you dont have to touch anything else. 333x9 = 3 GHZ can be had with stock volts and the stock heatsink, 100% stable. its stupid not to do it, as a matter of fact I recommend getting an E6420 since its the exact same cpu but cheaper. then set the FSB to 400 (for 3.2 ghz) and leave everything else on auto.

oh and also, if you go with core 2 duo get a 680i board, they are by far more overclock friendly then any intel chipset. just set it and forget it. it automatically overvolts making your life a lot easier. the only time you will actually need to set voltages yourself is if you are doing extreme overclocking, which you are not.

those are my 2c.

Originally posted by: DasFox
No plans ever to OC again, just no time to mess with it, or worry about it.

ALOHA

you clearly missed the whole poing of my reply. im am trying to say that there is no time wasting involved, and there is nothing to worry about (like he is lead to believe).

and what do you do? you quote him right after you quote me. gj captain idiot.

 

[DasFox]

I hope JAG87 you're not calling me an idiot, or was that meant for lobbyone?

Doing a GOOD OC does take time.

There is going through the process of seeing how far the motherboard FSB will go, next the CPU, then the ram, then working volts, then after you figure out what each one can handle on their own, you start working the overclock, taking time working the bus speeds up and then checking for stability on Prime or Orthos.

Like I said I'm not a newbie, and if you're going to do a good job in overclocking, and doing it the right way getting the best performance out of your system, and understanding what each part can, and can't handle, then you don't really know how to overclock.

Anyone can lower a multi, play a little with the FSB/HT and say YEAH I have it overclocked 300MHZ.

Big deal, this is not the art of overclocking properly, there is a lot more to it then just that.

I spent a few days working on my Opty165/ram/board getting it perfect at 2.8ghz 1.49v at 24 hours Orthos Stable, and that doesn't happen in 15 mins.

ALOHA

P.S. I don't need any lessons, I've been doing this for years.

 

[DasFox]

Forgot to mention the P35 boards have support for DDR3, so another thing for me to consider for upgrading into.

 

[bamacre]

Yeah, but you don't need to go through all that trouble getting an E6600 up to just 3Ghz, where it blows away the X2 6000+.

It really is easy as pie. Even with 667mhz DDR2 (Corsair XMS 2GB kit for $74 shipped in Hot Deals), you aren't even OC'ing the memory to get the FSB up to 333mhz.

I don't think you're an idiot. An AMD fanboy maybe, but not an idiot.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If the X2 6000 is AM2, you might want to consider going that route, and the dropping in one of the new AMD CPUs when they are finally released, for a nice quad-core boost.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
If the X2 6000 is AM2, you might want to consider going that route, and the dropping in one of the new AMD CPUs when they are finally released, for a nice quad-core boost.

IIRC, the 965P chipset supports the Q6600, which will be roughly $270 in July.

 

[DasFox]

Not sure for gaming I'm going to need a nice quad boost, LOL

ALOHA

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
If the X2 6000 is AM2, you might want to consider going that route, and the dropping in one of the new AMD CPUs when they are finally released, for a nice quad-core boost.

IIRC, the 965P chipset supports the Q6600, which will be roughly $270 in July.

Seconded. The E6600 is so, so simple to get to 3GHz it's practically a crime not to. You can do it without overclocking memory or using a fantastic heatsink. And the option to drop in a cheap quad core-2 is very nice, too.