AMD vs. Nvidia

[bystander36]

Oh. You just linked old frame time charts from many months ago prior to AMD's driver fix. In other words, you're spinning things. Good to know.

All of those issues were fixed outside of eyefinity CF. AMD is on par or better with comparable nvidia products in terms of smoothness and microstutter, by all means continue spinning, though.

Duh. You were talking about how when AMD stutters, it is drivers, if Nvidia does it, it is the game. Well, that was what the we were talking about. Microstutter...was it not?

And I was not spinning [redacted]. You were spinning [redacted] with the original argument I just mentioned. Not to mention, Dx9 in your list of it not fixed items.

Warning issued for profanity.
-- stahlhart

 

[blackened23]

The way I followed this thread was you stating that AMD stutters, nvidia doesn't. I said that isn't the case and pointed out frame time charts showing AMD to be on par with nvidia with respect to frame times.

What I said, aside from that (maybe you have me mixed up with someone else) is that there are games with engines that stutter no matter what, although this hasn't been a recent issue in recent years I don't believe - Fallout 3 and New Vegas were horrible in terms of stutter on all hardware, I never said nvidia only. In fact, Fallout 3 was pretty unbearable for me (I tried it recently), the engine is just crap. I do think there are mods for the engine stuttering issue but I don't really want to bother. In FO3's case it is not a hardware related issue because I observed this on both sets of hardware, like I said...the engine is garbage for FO3. I only stated that AMD is as good or better than NV now in terms of stutter in single screen resolutions, while your statement at the outset from what I could tell was "AMD stutters, nvidia doesn't". That is an incorrect characterization.

 

[bystander36]

The way I followed this thread was you stating that AMD stutters, nvidia doesn't. I said that isn't the case and pointed out frame time charts showing AMD to be on par with nvidia with respect to frame times.

What I said, aside from that (maybe you have me mixed up with someone else) is that there are games with engines that stutter no matter what, although this hasn't been a recent issue in recent years I don't believe - Fallout 3 and New Vegas were horrible in terms of stutter on all hardware, I never said nvidia only. In fact, Fallout 3 was pretty unbearable for me (I tried it recently), the engine is just crap. I do think there are mods for the engine stuttering issue but I don't really want to bother. I only stated that AMD is as good or better than NV now in terms of stutter in single screen resolutions.

My initial post was in response to this quote:

Agreed. When a game stutters on AMD, it's their crappy drivers. When a game stutters on nVidia, it's the crappy game.

Sorry, it wasn't yours, but it was that quote in which you responded to my response. The above quote was also in response to multi-GPU configurations.

 

[blackened23]

Okay okay okay. Misunderstandings on both ends, I guess? I do agree that overall AMD's software is not as polished as NV's. And until it is they can't charge NV type premiums IMHO even for the same performance level. That is why, IMHO, the 290X cannot be one center higher than 599.99 despite the rumored performance level - the software adds value to a GPU just as the hardware does, and AMD is making strides but isn't quite there yet.

In fact, that is still my main qualm with AMD. Their rate of software advancement for their GPUs has improved a lot but is still not at nvidia's level. I would personally like them to be on NV's level in that respect.

 

[bystander36]

No hard feelings. I need to eat. I get cranky when I haven't eaten.

 

[3DVagabond]

To be clear, I was talking about microstutter, not the occasional high latency frame. None of those types of spikes have ever been the topic of any review I've seen.

Fair enough if you are only referring to multi GPU. I wasn't really trying to single you out. Just point out what appears to me to be one sided reporting about driver issues. Last year though single card "micro stutter" was definitely the most important measurement there was. To the point FPS was virtually meaningless. I'm not sure how you could have missed it.

As far as those spikes being the subject of a review? Well, they include them in reviews, so they obviously are subjects of the review.

Multi GPU MS is definitely a WIP for AMD. We'll have to see how it goes. So far it's been sorted for a majority of multi GPU users. Still not sorted for Eyefinity, or apparently, older games.

 

[hawtdawg]

Nvidia BIOSes are pretty easy to mod

Not disagreeing.

 

[Avalon]

Got the Sapphire 7950 Dual-X in my machine, and Sapphire 7850 Dual-X in my wife's. Was previously rocking an MSI GTX 460 Lightning and Powercolor 4850 PCS respectively.