AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

[nathanddrews]

Or the problem is that Vega FE can't maintain it's max boost clock with a blower cooler and we have, yet again, disingenuous advertising by AMD on clock speeds.

That's possible as well, but we don't know. As an aside, my opinion is that single fan blowers are the dumbest coolers ever invented. Dual/Triple fans or water only, please.

 

[tamz_msc]

It blows my mind that people's expectations were as high as 1080 TI plus to begin with. Polaris didn't come close to AMD's touted perf/w improvements, Polaris 11 is 30% slower than GP107 at the same power draw, and even updated Polaris 10 is drawing 85% more power, is 15% larger die, and needs 25% more bandwidth vs. GP106 for only a 3-5% (average) advantage.

You're looking at the wrong place if your intent is to verify the performance/watt claims that AMD made with Polaris.

 

[Glo.]

The credit has to be given to AMD marketing team. They know how to destroy every single GPU launch, completely, especially - from mindshare perspective.

 

[xpea]

If you are actually following this guy's disqus thread, he has stated that the core frequencies are "all over the place" and he can't keep it at 1600MHz. That suggests a problem with the FS score he posted, no matter the state of the drivers.

Thats why AMD was very stupid to not give the card to professional websites. We knew that some random dude will get the card first and publish a hurry up number for what will become the best day of his life !
At least with reputable websites, you can damage control the situation with reviewer guide and direct support from AMD.
But no, all what we will remember from Vega launch is a single firestrike number with the catastrophic conclusion in the mind of average Joe: "Meh... Vega is barely matching a 1080"
But why AMD ?

 

[tviceman]

Or that that guy has 550W PSU, which he mentioned, and this is the reason why the GPU is not able to maintain the clocks?

A power supply does not throttle a graphics card or CPU. It either powers the system entirely, or it shuts down the system and possibly damages components.

Come on dude, you should know this.

 

[tamz_msc]

I suggest reading about the game mode. It is designed to TEST development stage, and performance of the developed game, not to game on this GPU.

That can easily be put to test by trying to run the usual benchmarks with the toggle off.

 

[Malogeek]

That's possible as well, but we don't know. As an aside, my opinion is that single fan blowers are the dumbest coolers ever invented. Dual/Triple fans or water only, please.

That's what AIB partners are for, the designs we actually want.

 

[wanderica]

Thats why AMD was very stupid to not give the card to professional websites. We knew that some random dude will get the card first and publish a hurry up number for what will become the best day of his life !
At least with reputable websites, you can damage control the situation with reviewer guide and direct support from AMD.
But no, all what we will remember from Vega launch is a single firestrike number with the catastrophic conclusion in the mind of average Joe: "Meh... Vega is barely matching a 1080"
But why AMD ?

Who knows? I really don't get AMD. They can tout it's a prosumer card all they want, but the fact is that they, themselves, pitted it against the Titan from day 1. Therefore, I expect numbers similar to the Titan. I understand it's not quite ready, immature drivers, amateur reviewer, etc, etc. It's always the same old, same old with AMD. "Guys, you were supposed to only look at Titan's workstation numbers!" Please.

I'll hold out hope that by the time RX Vega comes out, they can get this new architecture straightened out, but after so long of a wait, this isn't looking good. AMD needed a win, not more excuses, no matter how valid they may be.

 

[Glo.]

The best sign that the drivers are not ready is that this GPU is actually getting per clock regression in performance, compared to Fury X, even at 1.4 GHz core clock.

 

[tviceman]

The best sign that the drivers are not ready is that this GPU is actually getting per clock regression in performance, compared to Fury X, even at 1.4 GHz core clock.

They have had working silicon for over six months now. Excuses are officially out of the window. Add 5-10% to this score and that is what RX Vega will be.

 

[DeathReborn]

I suggest reading about the game mode. It is designed to TEST development stage, and performance of the developed game, not to game on this GPU.

Surely they should have called it Test Mode instead of Gaming, they can always rebrand it later on to Gaming when it's actually that (if it ever would be).

 

[raghu78]

It blows my mind that people's expectations were as high as 1080 TI plus to begin with. Polaris didn't come close to AMD's touted perf/w improvements, Polaris 11 is 30% slower than GP107 at the same power draw, and even updated Polaris 10 is drawing 85% more power, is 15% larger die, and needs 25% more bandwidth vs. GP106 for only a 3-5% (average) advantage.

Thats not the point. This was AMD's first major architectural change after GCN launch in 2012. So if this fails then a post GCN architecture is needed to compete against Nvidia Volta and the 7nm next gen GPUs from Nvidia.

 

[Glo.]

They have had working silicon for over six months now. Excuses are officially out of the window. Add 5-10% to this score and that is what RX Vega will be.

There is nothing to excuse. It is logic, and knowledge about the architecture.

Core clock improvement vs Fury X alone should make the GPU on par with GTX 1080 Ti.

 

[Head1985]

Thats not the point. This was AMD's first major architectural change after GCN launch in 2012. So if this fails then a post GCN architecture is needed to compete against Nvidia Volta and the 7nm next gen GPUs from Nvidia.

Its still GCN with 4x shader engines ect ect and power hungry.They needed move post GCN years ago.You know GCN is with us since fermi days...

 

[Arachnotronic]

They have had working silicon for over six months now. Excuses are officially out of the window. Add 5-10% to this score and that is what RX Vega will be.

Yeah, at this stage of the game, expecting big boosts/miracles probably isn't advisable.

 

[Glo.]

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12987144/fs/11047656/fs/6657103#

According to this, Vega is losing to even Fury X at 1150 MHz.

I hope that this is final proof for you guys, that drivers are not ready, for this architecture?

 

[Head1985]

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12987144/fs/11047656/fs/6657103#

According to this, Vega is losing to even Fury X at 1150 MHz.

I hope that this is final proof for you guys, that drivers are not ready, for this architecture?

really?Furyx at 1150mhz faster than GTX1080?its probably wrong at detecting clock fur fury.Its also from 2015.

here is furyx at 1170Mhz(17k gpu score)
http://pctforum.tyden.cz/viewtopic.php?p=8985157#p8985157

 

[tviceman]

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12987144/fs/11047656/fs/6657103#

According to this, Vega is losing to even Fury X at 1150 MHz.

I hope that this is final proof for you guys, that drivers are not ready, for this architecture?

1150mhz Fury X cannot tie a GTX 1080. Get a grip dude. First you say it's the PSU's fault (which is impossible) and now you're saying it's drivers. You literally have either no idea or no proof of anything you're saying.

 

[Glo.]

really?Furyx at 1150mhz faster than GTX1080?its probably wrong at detecting clock fur fury.Its also from 2015.

here is furyx at 1170Mhz(17k gpu score)
http://pctforum.tyden.cz/viewtopic.php?p=8985157#p8985157

Your score is also from 2015. What makes your link scores more valid than mine?

 

[Despoiler]

They have had working silicon for over six months now. Excuses are officially out of the window. Add 5-10% to this score and that is what RX Vega will be.

Look at the guy's screenshots. They shipped the card with Crimson 17.1.1 drivers. Guess what? Those are 6 month old drivers. This thing still has bare bones game driver support or they would have had a much newer driver version included. I read that Raja said the game driver would not be released until the RX Vega launch. We need to wait until then because given the evidence everything is a huge jump to conclusions. There are parts of this architecture that require lots of per-game driver work from AMD. Namely the primitive shaders.

EDIT: Yup the guy needs to at least use the driver released yesterday.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/frontier?os=Windows+10+-+64

 

[Glo.]

1150mhz Fury X cannot tie a GTX 1080. Get a grip dude. First you say it's the PSU's fault (which is impossible) and now you're saying it's drivers. You literally have either no idea or no proof of anything you're saying.

In new games, like those from 2016 and 2017, 1050 MHz Fury X is very close(within 10-15%) to GTX 1080. So I have no idea where you see no credence here.

 

[pj-]

That's possible as well, but we don't know. As an aside, my opinion is that single fan blowers are the dumbest coolers ever invented. Dual/Triple fans or water only, please.

To be fair to blowers, I was getting a firestrike gfx score of around 31k on my overclocked pascal titan x nearly a year ago

 

[tviceman]

In new games, like those from 2016 and 2017, 1050 MHz Fury X is very close(within 10-15%) to GTX 1080. So I have no idea where you see no credence here.

Going through a benchmark suite of 21 games, 18/21 games has the 1080 ahead by 25-50%. I see 3 games where Fury X comes within 15% of a 1080, and fire strike isn't one of those 3 games. You're in denial.

 

[Malogeek]

Look at the guy's screenshots. They shipped the card with Crimson 17.1.1 drivers. Guess what? Those are 6 month old drivers. This thing still has bare bones game driver support or they would have had a much newer driver version included. I read that Raja said the game driver would not be released until the RX Vega launch. We need to wait until then because given the evidence everything is a huge jump to conclusions. There are parts of this architecture that require lots of per-game driver work from AMD. Namely the primitive shaders.

AMD is providing game drivers, linked from their Radeon Pro page for the FE release. And it's version 17.6

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/frontier?os=Windows+10+-+64

Uncontrolled release allowing ridiculous speculation on single firestrike scores on some random guys system, which is already generating "articles" on the usual clickbait site. The worst thing is people will actually make up their minds on what to buy/not to buy on this kind of stuff.

 

[Mopetar]

Surely they should have called it Test Mode instead of Gaming, they can always rebrand it later on to Gaming when it's actually that (if it ever would be).

Or at least release a statement to the effect of "Current Game mode drivers are an early beta version. Improved drivers will be released with the launch of the RX Vega lineup later this fall." and that would be suitable to stem the flood of bad news.