AMD Tablet announcement October 9th

[happysmiles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmQI_NIRCgw&feature=player_embedded

Looking at the rumoured specs it's a low powered C-50! I've used the C-50 with windows 8 and it's nicer than my Intel N570

Clover Trail has been delayed so I wonder how it's all going to play out.

Also did anyone notice that she only moved the mouse and not actually play the game, anyone who has used the C-50 knows what it can and can't do

btw this is AMD's best marketing since it began

 

[Blitzvogel]

It would be pretty sweet for them to reveal Jaguar. The connected monitor (if it meant anything) was showing some kind of military shooter game (probably not BF3) so maybe MW2 or 3? It would be in the realm of capabilities of Jaguar.

 

[podspi]

I am finding it incredibly difficult to get excited for the current crop of Atom (and apparently C-50)-based tablets.

Honestly they're too slow to use legacy x86 apps comfortably, and if you are only using apps why not go ARM, which currently offers much better battery life, less weight, etc?

 

[lifeblood]

Cute advertisement.

I personally don't need a tablet to run BF3. I would be happy with being able to run office productivity apps, show movies, do Netflix, and maybe play an MMO on low settings. As long as its a tablet on the plane and can use a keyboard/mouse in the hotel room.

 

[Fox5]

I already have a tablet running a lower powered variant of the C-50. It's a Windpad 110W and it runs Zacate, the Z-01 chip.

 

[Abwx]

This is just a squeeze of the current line up using 40nm node
in the waiting of the 28nm iteration that should prove way better
even if it was only a die shrink , wich it wont be.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Cute advertisement.

I personally don't need a tablet to run BF3. I would be happy with being able to run office productivity apps, show movies, do Netflix, and maybe play an MMO on low settings. As long as its a tablet on the plane and can use a keyboard/mouse in the hotel room.

It wasn't BF3. I'm pretty sure. I have no doubt that Jaguar will have the CPU performance to run it though the GPU performance will be lacking of course for a game like that. Like I said earlier, it looks like MW3, which if it's like MW2, is easily playable on older 80 SP GPUs like the 5450. Jaguar is likely to be 160 VLIW4 or something like 128-256 GCN. Now, I just hope it's dual channel (which I heard it won't be, but I can pray).

 

[ShintaiDK]

5.9W for the CPU alone. The competition is a 1.7W SoC.

 

[Abwx]

5.9W for the CPU alone. The competition is a 1.7W SoC.

That s not this one , it is 4.5W TDP , and it s not CPU alone ,
the graphics is included.

As for the 1.7W competition , it is with way slower CPU and GFX.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/05/amd-to-launch-something-mutated-on-october-9/

 

[AtenRa]

5.9W for the APU (CPU + iGPU)

But yes at 40nm process i believe it will not do well in Tablets no matter if it has the better graphics performance than all the rest. Im curious to see a review though.

 

[Fox5]

It's a small tweak to the year old Z-01. But still...the Bobcat platform is nearly 2 years old, and while I feel the z-01 was competitive a year ago (best in class tablet performance and in a tablet form factor the slightly higher power consumption wasn't a big deal), a small tweak on it a year later is too little. The ARM SOCs (Krait and A6) have all but caught up in performance and at lower power consumption.

 

[ikachu]

Here's the press release
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-z-series-apu-tablets-040100970.html

 

[piesquared]

Wow nice little chip. nice branding too, an AllDay performance tablet should sell very well.

 

[Gideon]

5.9W for the CPU alone. The competition is a 1.7W SoC.

I'm not very enthusiastic about either AMDs performance nor future outlook, but that doesn't mean you should deliberatly post wrong information. It's 4,5W combined and the correct specs are listed here under Z-60:

Yeah. it's still about 3 times worse TDP than the competition therefore it is highly unlikely that Hondo will be competitive on that front. It is a very good execution on 40nm though.

Regardless let's not forget that TDP != Power consumption. For instance the power consumption of a 18W TDP Bobcat (E-350) was less than a 13W TDP Atom (D510) and significantly less than 17W Sandies/Nehalems:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4134/the-brazos-review-amds-e350-supplants-ion-for-miniitx/7

 

[Gideon]

http://techreport.com/news/23697/amd-aims-z-60-apu-at-win8-tablets-hybrids

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/09/amd-z60-tablet-chip/

Therefore bad, but nowhere near as catastrophic as some think.

EDIT image added

 

[OBLAMA2009]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmQI_NIRCgw&feature=player_embedded

Looking at the rumoured specs it's a low powered C-50! I've used the C-50 with windows 8 and it's nicer than my Intel N570

Clover Trail has been delayed so I wonder how it's all going to play out.

Also did anyone notice that she only moved the mouse and not actually play the game, anyone who has used the C-50 knows what it can and can't do

btw this is AMD's best marketing since it began

just because its better than atom doesnt mean its not garbage also. when you take into consideration compatibility/stability issues as well, this is nothing to be excited about

 

[piesquared]

http://techreport.com/news/23697/amd-aims-z-60-apu-at-win8-tablets-hybrids

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/09/amd-z60-tablet-chip/

Therefore bad, but nowhere near as catastrophic as some think.

EDIT image added

Where did you manage to find anyone that thinks Hondo is anything close to catastrophic? Get real dude. 2 weeks standby, 6 hour 1080p gaming, 8 hours browsing, 10 hours idle.

Therefore not bad, but fantastic.

 

[NTMBK]

Kind of meh. Better graphics than Atom, but worse battery life. Kind of a wash. Let's hope they can get Jaguar out fast.

 

[Gideon]

Where did you manage to find anyone that thinks Hondo is anything close to catastrophic? Get real dude. 2 weeks standby, 6 hour 1080p gaming, 8 hours browsing, 10 hours idle.

Therefore not bad, but fantastic.

I haven't seen a single bit of criticism towards AMD in any of your 600 posts. I hardly believe anyone could seriously think that they have executed flawlessly the last 6 years, so sorry if i don't take it at face value.

Clovertail battery life WILL be better no matter how you spin it, CPU performance will also be competitive due-to 1.8GHz core clock vs 1.0. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of the outdated monstrosity of an architecture that is Atom (it should have been replaced years ago) but it will offer more battery life. Which mostly comes down to the node advantage, but still.

From engadget's article:

The firm expects Hondo-based systems to offer "almost" eight hours of web browsing, "up to" six hours of 720p video playback, and about two weeks of standby time.

...

AMD claims the processor can last a whole working day on a single charge, but it seems to have based this claim on a tablet running in "Windows Presentation Mode" -- and we're not sure how representative that is of real-life use. By contrast, Intel says Clover Trail can manage three weeks on standby and 10 hours of "active use."

Therefore, it will certainly be inferior in battery life but more by a precentage, depending on workload, rather than 2-3 times.

 

[Phynaz]

I want to say "meh", but I'll wait for a product that uses it. Graphics performance could be interesting.

 

[Idontcare]

I think it would cool to have a tablet that I could play Lord of the Realms 2 on while lounging on the couch watching the same kids movie on TV for the 50th time with the family. I do that now with my laptop, but I think the tablet form factor would be even more convenient and comfortable.

Tablets are one area where being best doesn't really mean much, just like the case with SSD performance there will be a huge range of acceptable price/performance for tablets including battery life.

^ I would take any one of these SSD's over a 10krpm raptor for my laptop, even the relatively slow Intel 320, being the fastest doesn't mean everyone else in the market is doomed to zero sales.

 

[pelov]

being the fastest doesn't mean everyone else in the market is doomed to zero sales.

No, but at at a 4.5W TDP, not being an SoC and on TSMC's aging 40nm node certainly means they'll be having issues with battery life.

Damnit, AMD. The one chip that really wanted to see from them gets cancelled and they're forced to give us this unimpressive pile of... yea...

 

[piesquared]

I haven't seen a single bit of criticism towards AMD in any of your 600 posts. I hardly believe anyone could seriously think that they have executed flawlessly the last 6 years, so sorry if i don't take it at face value.

Clovertail battery life WILL be better no matter how you spin it, CPU performance will also be competitive due-to 1.8GHz core clock vs 1.0. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of the outdated monstrosity of an architecture that is Atom (it should have been replaced years ago) but it will offer more battery life. Which mostly comes down to the node advantage, but still.

From engadget's article:



Therefore, it will certainly be inferior in battery life but more by a precentage, depending on workload, rather than 2-3 times.

What??? Your post suggested that some considered Hondo to be a catastrophe, who would suggest that other than a flat out fanboy, shill or troll?

As far as battery life goes we have the numbers already. There are also reports of 5x-6x better graphics performance, inetl has no response there.
AllDay battery life is what is important, it doesn't matter if its AllDay or AllDay +1 hour.
And this is still on 40nm, that's outstanding!

 

[podspi]

just because its better than atom doesnt mean its not garbage also. when you take into consideration compatibility/stability issues as well, this is nothing to be excited about

Compatibility and stability issues, really?

 

[Abwx]

No, but at at a 4.5W TDP, not being an SoC and on TSMC's aging 40nm node certainly means they'll be having issues with battery life.

Damnit, AMD. The one chip that really wanted to see from them gets cancelled and they're forced to give us this unimpressive pile of... yea...

The Z-60 has a 4.5W thermal envelope, down from 5.9W on the Z-01. AMD claims the Z-60 consumes just 1.57W while playing HD video, 1.12W when web browsing, and 0.75W at idle. The firm expects Hondo-based systems to offer "almost" eight hours of web browsing, "up to" six hours of 720p video playback, and about two weeks of standby time.

good enough for current products gen. , although 28nm
should have been used instead.