AMD Tablet announcement October 9th

[pelov]

The Z-60 has a 4.5W thermal envelope, down from 5.9W on the Z-01. AMD claims the Z-60 consumes just 1.57W while playing HD video, 1.12W when web browsing, and 0.75W at idle.

That's just the processor, not the system power consumption. Expect it to be quite a bit higher due to the FCH, SATA, etc., all adding mW to the overall draw. It's why SoCs are favored in small form factor designs. They're also quite a bit cheaper and allow smaller PCBs, meaning more room for other components and a bigger battery.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmQI_NIRCgw&feature=player_embedded

Looking at the rumoured specs it's a low powered C-50! I've used the C-50 with windows 8 and it's nicer than my Intel N570

Clover Trail has been delayed so I wonder how it's all going to play out.

Also did anyone notice that she only moved the mouse and not actually play the game, anyone who has used the C-50 knows what it can and can't do

btw this is AMD's best marketing since it began

Link to clover trail not being released with Windows8 please

 

[pelov]

Link to clover trail not being released with Windows8 please

It's not delayed. There were rumors that it would be, but both Intel and MS have said it'll be launched on time.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Kind of meh. Better graphics than Atom, but worse battery life. Kind of a wash. Let's hope they can get Jaguar out fast.

May I ask how you know it has better graphics than clover trail. Link to benchmarks please

 

[Nemesis 1]

It's not delayed. There were rumors that it would be, but both Intel and MS have said it'll be launched on time.

Yes I know thats why I wanted link to this delayed BS.

 

[Abwx]

May I ask how you know it has better graphics than clover trail. Link to benchmarks please

It has a DX11 Radeon GPU while Clover trail is only DX9
with a PowerVR SGX545.....

 

[Nemesis 1]

It has a DX11 Radeon GPU while Clover trail is only DX9
with a PowerVR SGX545.....

Really I won't debate YOU! In the tablet smartphone space and all others using ARM I think your overplaying DX11 in this space for the time being

http://www.imgtec.com/news/Release/index.asp?NewsID=516

 

[Abwx]

Really I won't debate YOU! In the tablet smartphone space and all others using ARM I think your overplaying DX11 in this space for the time being

http://www.imgtec.com/news/Release/index.asp?NewsID=516

Lol....

 

[Nemesis 1]

So whats so funny . You had the wrong info in the other reply . easy enough to do.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Therefore, it will certainly be inferior in battery life but more by a precentage, depending on workload, rather than 2-3 times.

The difference is still quite large. The AMD chip is on par with Intel's last generation Oak Trail devices, which needed laptop-sized 48+WHr battery to achieve 10 hours of battery life.

Clover Trail can do 10 hours of HD video playback with a 30WHr battery, and its supported by various manufacturer claims. Samsung's ATIV Smart claims 9.4 hours with 31WHr. Dell's Latitude 10 Tablet is claimed to achieve 9 hours with the 2-cell one and 18 hours with the extended one. Acer's dockable one also claims 18 hours. That's actually "ARM class".

CPU performance is probably similar between the two, the graphics performance is in a difference class between the two, but so will the battery life.

 

[Blitzvogel]

LOL AMD.......another Bobcat rehash.......

But I guess AMD needed a "reinvigorated and presently ready interim APU" to cover whatever tablet processor sales they might get until Jaguar arrives. Jaguar better not disappoint, as it has a pretty tall order to fill.

 

[FwFred]

Does Hondo support Windows 8 Connected Standby?

ARM tablets on Win RT and Clovertrail do. Anandtech Clovertrail article:

The platform supports true connected standby, meaning Intel's new S0ix sleep states (similar to what was announced in Haswell). I realized I haven't yet detailed what these mean yet but in short on DC power you can expect polling roughly every 30 seconds for new data (incoming emails, tweets, etc...) delivering an experience somewhat similar to a smartphone. Off-SoC device drivers need to support Windows 8 run time power management (RTPM) to support these new low power sleep states. Intel claims that in its lowest platform sleep state (S0i3) the SoC's power consumption is below 2mW.

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mqlEc5YD66o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7uFX4oCE7kE

 

[NTMBK]

So whats so funny . You had the wrong info in the other reply . easy enough to do.

The Intel drivers for PowerVR are notoriously bad. To the point where they can't get the DirectX10 features on their silicon working.

The GPU is a PowerVR SGX 545 from Imagination Technologies, clocked at a very high 533MHz. Direct3D feature level 9_3 is officially supported.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6340/intel-details-atom-z2760-clovertrail-for-windows-8-tablets

This is the same situation they had on the last generation of Atom, too.

 

[zlatan]

Link to clover trail not being released with Windows8 please

It will release on paper. But the real start will be in the middle of november. The graphics driver won't get WHQL signage in october.
I don't know how Clover Trail works with Windows 8, because there are no developer platform for this product, but now I working on Cedar Trail, and the Win8 dev driver is a disaster.

 

[AtenRa]

I have the Intel ATOM D2700DC and DN2800MT and the GPU driver is mehhhh(mildly spoken). No 64-bit driver for the GPU and in 32-bit it cannot play 1080p even though the specs says so.

Since Cover trail has the same Power-VR GPU i dont know if they have fixed the drivers in Win 8.

 

[podspi]

Does Hondo support Windows 8 Connected Standby?

ARM tablets on Win RT and Clovertrail do. Anandtech Clovertrail article:

The platform supports true connected standby, meaning Intel's new S0ix sleep states (similar to what was announced in Haswell). I realized I haven't yet detailed what these mean yet but in short on DC power you can expect polling roughly every 30 seconds for new data (incoming emails, tweets, etc...) delivering an experience somewhat similar to a smartphone. Off-SoC device drivers need to support Windows 8 run time power management (RTPM) to support these new low power sleep states. Intel claims that in its lowest platform sleep state (S0i3) the SoC's power consumption is below 2mW.

No, they don't, and it is the other way around btw. Intel's 'connected standby' is what they call what ARM-based platforms have been doing for years. It is incredibly exciting that we'll be getting x86-platforms that can do that sort of thing, but I think it is going to be a while before any CPUs from AMD manage it... (Hopefully I am wrong, but I haven't heard of even any rumors of it happening).

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mqlEc5YD66o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7uFX4oCE7kE

What exactly is your problem . You campare AMDs latest and greatest to old atom . Lets wait for end of month reviews of Atom Z2760. AMD fansbois really really like comparring old intel products to new AMD products . You will have to wait for AMds next release than we can do another . Because hondo has no chance against Atom Z2760. Intel graphics will be at least 3x better than current atom . Also I do not call the next atom and apples to apples compare . When AMDs 28nm OoO is up against Intels OoO it will be apples to apples

 

[NTMBK]

What exactly is your problem . You campare AMDs latest and greatest to old atom . Lets wait for end of month reviews of Atom Z2760. AMD fansbois really really like comparring old intel products to new AMD products . You will have to wait for AMds next release than we can do another . Because hondo has no chance against Atom Z2760. Intel graphics will be at least 3x better than current atom .

Don't blame him too much, he's just being taken in by misleading marketing (is there any other kind?)- hopefully we'll have some benchmarks in a month or two.

 

[Nemesis 1]

It will release on paper. But the real start will be in the middle of november. The graphics driver won't get WHQL signage in october.
I don't know how Clover Trail works with Windows 8, because there are no developer platform for this product, but now I working on Cedar Trail, and the Win8 dev driver is a disaster.

Wrong We will see tablet reviews when Windows 8 is released this month . What 18 days to see fact or fiction

 

[Nemesis 1]

Don't blame him too much, he's just being taken in by misleading marketing (is there any other kind?)- hopefully we'll have some benchmarks in a month or two.

Well I do recall larabee and the P4P . Also Oaktrail from intel all hyped marketing . Intel for the most part is good comparred to amd marketing threw the years. When intel talks alot about a product I worry .The exception was Conroe. when intel is fairly silent i look for good things from them. Silent examples Gate last . 3d transitors

 

[Nemesis 1]

The Intel drivers for PowerVR are notoriously bad. To the point where they can't get the DirectX10 features on their silicon working

Yes yes I know . Intel drivers suck . and they will for ever according to many guys

 

[zlatan]

Wrong We will see tablet reviews when Windows 8 is released this month . What 18 days to see fact or fiction

I don't think there will be Clover Trail review in this month. I'm a developer and still don't get a Clover Trail tablet. Acer will help me out with a W510, but not before november.
With my experience on Cedar Trail, I really don't expect anything good from a PowerVR based Atom.
I think most review will use synthetic benchmarks. I found plenty of specialized driver hacks in the new PowerVR D3D driver for Win8. My Atom D2700 is six times slower in 3DMark06, compared to my Hondo devplatform. But in a real world application the Atom is much slower (10-20 times), if the app working correctly. Most legacy game run with serious graphics corruption.

 

[AtenRa]

What exactly is your problem .

First of all I dont have any probelms

You campare AMDs latest and greatest to old atom .

Secondly, the latest/fastest ATOM TODAY is the Medfield, released this year(2012) .

Lets wait for end of month reviews of Atom Z2760.

Thirdly, I dont believe you expecting AMD to wait when Intel will launch a new ATOM to compare its new product/s

AMD fansbois really really like comparring old intel products to new AMD products.

You getting desperate mate, by your logic Intel FanBoys should wait for new AMD products before they will compare new Intel CPUs, are you serious ?? :\

 

[Nemesis 1]

Me desperate . Thats laughable I not the one betting on the losers. Nice medfield move . But I knew that was coming, NV offers intel more to fear than does AMD . Its not just Intel AMD is up against. Fact is AMD isn't relevent anymore . Intel server parts that are coming have way higher TDP than present offerring as Intel was told AMD is no longer the comp. NV was the comp .AT article