Discussion AMD SoC Halo series GPU discussion

[Claudiovict]

I'm pretty sure the big chungus gfx13 is a thing.

They aiming for RTX 6090 or 5090?

 

[adroc_thurston]

They aiming for RTX 6090 or 5090?

They're aiming for a specific # of cloud gaming instances per board per watt.

 

[marees]

Looks like almost linear gains in the 25w to 45w tdp range

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973750063626068304

 

[adroc_thurston]

Looks like almost linear gains in the 25w to 45w tdp range

it's a 60W part wtaf did anyone expect

 

[regen1]

AMD’s Chiplet APU: An Overview of Strix Halo

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https://aecmag.s3.amazonaws.com/HP/Boosting_Revit_and_AutoCAD-Special_Report.pdf

^Sponsored post at AECMAG but still good to see the benefits of large VRAM pool highlighted in some new features(some under development) of Revit 2026 and AutoCAD 2026.

Spoiler

Revit 2026 introduces a new graphicstechnology designed to significantlyimprove performance in both 3D and2D views. The ‘Accelerated Graphics TechPreview’, which is still in development,delivers smoother, more responsive modelnavigation when panning, orbiting, orzooming. Those working with particularlycomplex Revit models should experiencethe most noticeable performance benefit.

To get the best performance Autodeskrecommends a workstation with at least64 GB of RAM and a GPU with at least8 GB. In the past, this would have meant aworkstation with a discrete GPU. However,with the new AMD Ryzen AI Max PROprocessor — featured in the HP ZBook UltraG1a laptop and HP Z2 Mini G1a desktopworkstations — users now have access toan integrated AMD Radeon GPU with theequivalent performance of a mid-rangediscrete GPU. Coupled with up to 128 GB ofsystem memory, of which up to 96 GB can beassigned to the GPU, the chip is fully capableof handling Revit’s new graphics demands.When running Revit’s Snowdon Towersample project on the HP ZBook Ultra G1awith an AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395processor, the viewport feels significantlymore responsive compared to the traditionalgraphics engine. Model navigation is silkysmooth, and the model is not simplifiedin any way — a technique often used tomaintain full interactivity with largermodels. As shown in our benchmarks below,performance (measured in frames per second)was approximately 2.5 to 3 times faster.

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[marees]

How much will you pay for a PS6 in a PC (something like framework medusa halo or rog Ally xbox PC etc.) ??

 

[soresu]

it's a 60W part wtaf did anyone expect

tbh that's actually less than I expected.

 

[adroc_thurston]

tbh that's actually less than I expected.

Strix is like 28W and double that is 60 so, yeah, that's platform-intended.

 

[soresu]

Strix is like 28W and double that is 60 so, yeah, that's platform-intended.

Damn if so the power doesn't scale well as number of CUs increases in RDNA.

Strix Point has 16 CU, but 160 CU in RDNA3 or 4 sure aint gonna be 280W.

 

[adroc_thurston]

but 160 CU in RDNA3 or 4 sure aint gonna be 280W.

Sure as hell they would, at like ~2.2G.
Mind the considerably more power-pricey GDDR shoreline doe.

 

[soresu]

Mind the considerably more power-pricey GDDR shoreline doe.

HBM being production capacity/cost priced out of the consumer market aside, would that solve the power issue?

 

[adroc_thurston]

HBM being production capacity/cost priced out of the consumer market aside, would that solve the power issue?

I mean it's not *that* power hungry.
Just more expensive than LPDDR.
It's a shoreline b/w density vs power tradeoffs.

 

[marees]

So what is Jez smoking here

The only way AIB can make an affordable console vs Microsoft magnus is to repurpose the medusa halo as series S kind of device that can compete with PS6 in terms of performance

is this his dream/wish or does he have any special insider sauce

https://twitter.com/x/status/1980784121443152380

 

[adroc_thurston]

The only way AIB can make an affordable console vs Microsoft magnus is to repurpose the medusa halo as series S kind of device that can compete with PS6 in terms of performance

no it's just a pile of N3p with a ton of DRAM, which will inherently cost more than what they ship now.
We're probably back to $599 starting prices for either console next cycle (if we're lucky).
$699 if DRAM pricing is ass and we're not.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

no it's just a pile of N3p with a ton of DRAM, which will inherently cost more than what they ship now.
We're probably back to $599 starting prices for either console next cycle (if we're lucky).
$699 if DRAM pricing is ass and we're not.

No way both consoles (PS6 Orion and Xbox Magnus) are going to cost the same.

Magnus' iGPU chiplet alone is bigger than Orion's SoC.

 

[adroc_thurston]

No way both consoles (PS6 Orion and Xbox Magnus) are going to cost the same.

Magnus' iGPU chiplet alone is bigger than Orion's SoC.

Losers suffer what they must, and MS are losers.

 

[Vikv1918]

Losers suffer what they must, and MS are losers.

But @Kepler_L2 said Magnus will be more like $1200 on xitter

But if its $600 that would be an amazing console, especially if you can access PC storefronts. That would bring back Xbox so hard

 

[marees]

But @Kepler_L2 said Magnus will be more like $1200 on xitter

But if its $600 that would be an amazing console, especially if you can access PC storefronts. That would bring back Xbox so hard

I am guessing kepler is right

Magnus = $1000+

I wonder if there will be another weaker console based off medusa halo 🤔

 

[adroc_thurston]

especially if you can access PC storefronts.

Never happening.

I wonder if there will be another weaker console based off medusa halo

They're killing off Series S with hammers.
Also mdsH is the *expensive* option.

 

[jpiniero]

I am guessing kepler is right

Magnus = $1000+

I wonder if there will be another weaker console based off medusa halo 🤔

Hybrid Console, no. But XBoxPCs using... Phoenix? Krakan? Something like that, yeah.

 

[MS_AT]

Never happening.

You mean that would hurt their business if I could "buy" the same game on steam much cheaper than on their own shop? And that the "bought" game wouldn't be tied to their own ecosystem or some licensing reasons?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Never happening.

Definitely happening.


We should do a wager.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Definitely happening.

lmao

We should do a wager.

I always win and it gets kinda tiring. Let's not.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I always win and it gets kinda tiring. Let's not.

🐔

 

[Joe NYC]

MinisForum running (locally) a larger DeepSeek model on 4 Strix Halo MiniPCs:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981569830634303731