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Discussion AMD SoC Halo series GPU discussion

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branch_suggestion said:
RDNA4 would've been awesome with its major bandwidth efficiency gains.
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and native FSR4 support, just the right fit for 1600/1800p panels.
branch_suggestion said:
Well, Medusa Halo with RDNA5 and hopefully an even wider LPDDR6 bus, yeah.
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It's LPDDR5X and methinks they're gonna WoW plop a real chonga MALL slab to cope with the ramped b/w demand.
 
Does Intel even have a comp part for this?

AMD will take the gaming side and Apple the creative side. why isn't Intel focusing on large APUs? They are just giving away the market.
 
poke01 said:
Does Intel even have a comp part for this?
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They always do and it always gets killed.
poke01 said:
AMD will take the gaming side and Apple the creative side
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No, Nvidia will take the creative side.
poke01 said:
why isn't Intel focusing on large APUs? They are just giving away the market.
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THEY WERE.
ARL-H 683 was their M3 Pro intercept part lmao.
Like they had a bunch of ADM-enabled configs for MTL and ARL and they all went poof.
 
adroc_thurston said:
Just do a Venice and move stuff that's cores (i.e. gfx in this case) on top and everything else on the bottom.
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You can add caps to the cache layer too, also saves on fabric complexity thanks to glorious direct TSVs.
Basically everything can be in the bottom layer except the GPU, saves a lot of pricey wafer cost on the IP that matters.
Now please AMD surprise us with WoW RDNA5 flagship for the love of all that is cool.
 
adroc_thurston said:
Yeah like N3p on N4c or N2 on N4c and awooga.
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So N2 and N4 will be SoIC compatible?
adroc_thurston said:
what are the odds of the next NV SM not being another practical shotgun-to-the-mouth application
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Depends on how much they value CUDA/binary backcompat.
But you cannot assume NV will flop twice in a row, especially with a node bump. Gotta flex those 3D muscles before they have a real answer.
 
branch_suggestion said:
So N2 and N4 will be SoIC compatible?
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Bretty sure that's what Apple gonna ship so yea.
branch_suggestion said:
Depends on how much they value CUDA/binary backcompat.
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PTX is a thing so whatever.
branch_suggestion said:
But you cannot assume NV will flop twice in a row, especially with a node bump. Gotta flex those 3D muscles before they have a real answer.
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SoIC stuff is just Apple and AMD for the foreseeable future.
 
I find it curious that the only device targeted at "mainstream" audiences is a tablet and they focus their marketing efforts on that [at least I fail to see the appeal of a gaming tablet that is ill suited to gaming without tons of peripherals attached. I mean I don't see an advantage vs 14 inch laptops than can sport dedicated GPU and being of comparable weight].

I mean a proper 14 inch gaming laptop would be better device to put Halo into, as it wouldn't charge price premium on top of using the Halo for being a tablet, but might be I misunderstand the market.

On the other hand they are polling github if people want to see ROCM support on Halo chips... [I mean shouldn't it be their priority so they could address the part of the market that Apple captures with their miniPCs]
 
MS_AT said:
I find it curious that the only device targeted at "mainstream" audiences is a tablet and they focus their marketing efforts on that [at least I fail to see the appeal of a gaming tablet that is ill suited to gaming without tons of peripherals attached. I mean I don't see an advantage vs 14 inch laptops than can sport dedicated GPU and being of comparable weight].
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I think there might be a bit of throwing crap on the wall and see what sticks. Even AI Workstations (the main use of Strix Halo) it's not entirely clear how much demand there is for that.
 
Heartbreaker said:
There goes any hope of it being less expensive than an equivalent CPU plus dGPU.
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As others have pointed out running it on a traditional socket would just bottleneck it so badly as to not give better price/performance anyway so the cost really doesn't matter.

AMD would need to sell the board this would be attached to and may as well solder the RAM on as well at that point. Congratulations, AMD, you've invented your own Mac without having your own OS.

Maybe some PC manufacture might decide to release something like that, but I wouldn't expect it to be a major release. It might make a nice Steambox or living room PC that replaces a console, but I don't see them investing too much into something like that. It doesn't have the volume potential to reduce the cost of making it and the higher price it will need to have to turn a profit mean that it will have low volume.
 
Mopetar said:
As others have pointed out running it on a traditional socket would just bottleneck it so badly as to not give better price/performance anyway so the cost really doesn't matter.

AMD would need to sell the board this would be attached to and may as well solder the RAM on as well at that point. Congratulations, AMD, you've invented your own Mac without having your own OS.

Maybe some PC manufacture might decide to release something like that, but I wouldn't expect it to be a major release. It might make a nice Steambox or living room PC that replaces a console, but I don't see them investing too much into something like that. It doesn't have the volume potential to reduce the cost of making it and the higher price it will need to have to turn a profit mean that it will have low volume.
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I'm not suggesting they use a regular AM5 socket either. Just that using Threadripper MBs ruins any chance of beating conventional CPU plus dGPU pricing.

They are better off soldering it in. Yes it is much like Mac HW at that point, but some claim they want that.

Many people overestimate the benefit of the Big iGPU x86 SoC, and have been clamoring for something like this for MANY years, assuming it will be less expensive than comparable CPU and dGPU, and be a great budget gaming platform.

I've never been that optimistic. Because you have one locked in, VERY expensive chip that will likely end up in niche volumes. This is NOT a recipe for budget pricing or success.

The main thing AMD seemed to lean on in their presentation was a big memory pool for AI. If it wasn't for all the AI hype I wonder if they even would have built it.
 
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