Discussion AMD SoC Halo series GPU discussion

[adroc_thurston]

As a pure iGPU yes, but compared to dGPU It's mediocre.

It's really good compared to dGFX too.

Says who?

me.

AMD stated cTDP is 120W.

AMD stated Raphael needs 230W PPT and sure as hell it didn't. Next.

but It should still scale

it does not.

then at least the CPU.

Not that either.

 

[marees]

In a mini-PC:

I'm not impressed for gaming. He's running most games at 1080p medium and still needs FSR to get over 60 FPS.

It looks like it cost more than my PC I built with an RTX 4070 last year.

Is that a video on strix halo ?

 

[uzzi38]

As a pure iGPU yes, but compared to dGPU It's mediocre.

Says who? AMD stated cTDP is 120W.
At best you can say It's not worth the worse power efficiency, but It should still scale, If not the iGPU because of BW then at least the CPU.

How is it mediocre compared to a dGPU? I'm genuinely interested because it looks pretty damn good to me. Being within 5% of the 4070m at the same power level SoC vs SoC means it's actually within 5% at a lower power budget for the GPU portion.

 

[marees]

Uhhh... Thats NOT Strix Halo. Thats Strix Point with 16 CU GPU.

At 15w the strix point matches the strix halo

From 20w onwards halo pulls ahead

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

As a pure iGPU yes, but compared to dGPU It's mediocre.

It's really not for the power it consumes. It has Ada-level PPW, something original RDNA3 could never achieve.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It has Ada-level PPW

Better.
The numbers for stuff not timespy GFX score are package. That includes CPU yes.
It's a very impressive product with little caveats.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

It's really good compared to dGFX too.

It's only 4070m level of performance. Compared to the CPU It's mediocre in my opinion.

me.

Just your opinion as I posted my own, but feel free to post data showing I am wrong.

AMD stated Raphael needs 230W PPT and sure as hell it didn't. Next.

it does not.

Not that either.

Stock R9 9950X has no problem consuming 220W in blender according to TPU, 5.2GHz all-core OC consumes 266W. Strix Halo has basically the same CPU part(16C Zen5) so there is no reason why It can't scale past 100W in something like blender.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It's only 4070m level of performance

That's where it should be, anything above doesn't sell.

Just your opinion as I posted my own, but feel free to post data showing I am wrong.

There are scaling data from the glorious China a few pages and you can clearly see. Only have to scroll up.

Stock R9 9950X has no problem consuming 220W in blender according to TPU

That's because it has 2 times the FP oomph gen over gen.
I'm talking Raphael. Zen4 part, you know.

so there is no reason why It can't scale past 100W in something like blender.

Blender is HIP-RT accelerated.
It's an APU too so your VRAM is arbitrary. Pile on assets!

 

[poke01]

It's only 4070m level of performance. Compared to the CPU It's mediocre in my opinion.

The CPU is mediocre imo, the GPU is leaning towards great status for me as it’s very efficient for how powerful it is.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The CPU is mediocre imo

No it's also good.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

That's where it should be, anything above doesn't sell.

I am talking about performance here and not about If It sells or not.

There are scaling data from the glorious China a few pages and you can clearly see. Only have to scroll up.

Yeah, I am looking at It and I clearly see the CPU scales even past 120W.

That's because it has 2 times the FP oomph gen over gen.
I'm talking Raphael. Zen4 part, you know.

Strix Halo has Zen5, right? So I don't understand why you bring up Zen4 Raphael instead of Zen5 Granite Ridge.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I am talking about performance here and not about If It sells or not.

The perf is where it should be.

Yeah, I am looking at It and I clearly see the CPU scales even past 120W.

That's not scaling, that's watts into the pyre for no reason.

Strix Halo has Zen5, right? So I don't understand why you bring up Zen4 Raphael instead of Zen5 Granite Ridge.

Because rated PPTs are a stretch goal.

 

[MangoX]

I am talking about performance here and not about If It sells or not.

Yeah, I am looking at It and I clearly see the CPU scales even past 120W.
View attachment 117623

Strix Halo has Zen5, right? So I don't understand why you bring up Zen4 Raphael instead of Zen5 Granite Ridge.

That's really good performance. It's matching a 7950X at only 125W. My 7950X only scores 33K running in eco mode capped to 140w PPT.

The iGPU is alright. I still think it could be membw bound. The 395 has more than 2X the CUs as the HX370, but isn't 2X the FPS.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Is that a video on strix halo ?

Oops nope, I didn't look close enough.

 

[Joe NYC]

Yeah. N4C.

Looks like there is some scaling in SRAM density from N7 to N5 generations:

 

[adroc_thurston]

Looks like there is some scaling in SRAM density from N7 to N5 generations:

yeah not news?
It's just not major.

 

[Joe NYC]

yeah not news?
It's just not major.

Looks like more scaling from N7 - > N5 than N5 -> N3 -> N2 combined

 

[adroc_thurston]

Looks like more scaling from N7 - > N5 than N5 -> N3 -> N2 combined

Indeed. SRAM shrinks are more or less dead until CFETs.

 

[poke01]

Asus ROG Flow Z13 GZ302EA (2025) 13.4" WQXGA R7-7735HS 32GB 1TB SSD W11H Gaming Laptop GZ302EA-RU093W | Zylax Computers

Asus ROG Flow Z13 13.4" WQXGA R7-7735HS 32GB 1TB SSD W11H Gaming Laptop - GZ302EA-RU093W Online at zylax.com.au a leading Australian computer parts, laptops and server hardware store

www.zylax.com.au

Pricing in Australia is WACK and no 128 GB model in Australia but who cares it will be $5000+AUD.

Looks like this SoC will be limited again production wise in countries other than the USA and China.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Looks like this SoC will be limited again production wise in countries other than the USA and China.

pretty sure the prices are normal in EU and britbongia.

 

[RnR_au]

Asus ROG Flow Z13 GZ302EA (2025) 13.4" WQXGA R7-7735HS 32GB 1TB SSD W11H Gaming Laptop GZ302EA-RU093W | Zylax Computers

Asus ROG Flow Z13 13.4" WQXGA R7-7735HS 32GB 1TB SSD W11H Gaming Laptop - GZ302EA-RU093W Online at zylax.com.au a leading Australian computer parts, laptops and server hardware store

www.zylax.com.au

View attachment 117679
Pricing in Australia is WACK and no 128 GB model in Australia but who cares it will be $5000+AUD.

Looks like this SoC will be limited again production wise in countries other than the USA and China.

I would wait to see what HP will charge for their Z2 Mini G1a. Seems they have a decent chunk of copper in there as well as two fans...



Taken from this video...

 

[NTMBK]

I would wait to see what HP will charge for their Z2 Mini G1a. Seems they have a decent chunk of copper in there as well as two fans...

View attachment 117681

Taken from this video...

It's a professional workstation, so... lots.

 

[uzzi38]

It's a professional workstation, so... lots.

It's also by far the most popular STX-H product, with the majority of supply also going towards this device.

HP are absolutely going to capitalise on it.

 

[Joe NYC]

Also nope, max perf/W will be a MoP'd wider LPDDR.

Capacity sucks, pop options suck.
The sooner you forget about HBM like a bad dream, the merrier.
It's never gonna be alive outside of HPC.

How much wider? AMD is already using dual channel, 32 bit x 8 chips.

I guess somebody could make quad channel, 64 bit, and then, 8 x 64 would be 512 bits.

 

[DavidC1]

"Poor performance"?

It is within 5% of the 4070m at "equal" power - 60w package power vs 60w package power or 80W vs 80W. "Equal" power, as in Strix Halo includes both CPU and GPU, whereas 4070m is dGPU only.

There is no world where this is "poor performance".

You are missing what I said. I said "Desktop" APU. To get the highest iGPU SKU, you also need to pay for the highest CPU config. And it is poor performance.

AMD Unveils Ryzen 8000G Series Processors: Zen 4 APUs For Desktop with Ryzen AI

www.anandtech.com

It shows that you cannot compare the Z13's pricing to those aforementioned bargain bin 4070 devices and claim Strix Halo is far too expensive to make sense.

It also doesn't show what actual price could be versus inflated one because Nvidia has near zero competition.

Both above points are related. They aren't giving you a deal on the 8000G APU with a lowly iGPU, and their RDNA GPU prices aren't fantastic and just slightly below "evil Nvidia", so why would they price this so low?