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Originally posted by: harpoon84
Originally posted by: Idontcare
I agree. The whole "DDR3 only" thing with i7 is going to drive up system cost by another $150-$300 bucks for jsut about everyone who doesn't have a DDR3 system already.
Using lowest prices from Newegg:
3GB (3 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 costs $105
6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 costs $204
4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800 costs $66
4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-1066 costs $88
That's hardly a $150 - $300 difference, more like $50 - $100. Not to mention DDR3 prices should continue to drop in the coming months whereas DDR2 prices have effectively 'bottomed out'.
Plus the mobo cost, it'll be high for 6-9 months because the LGA1366 market volume itself will be paltry low. No volume manufacturing to offset the costs of those spiffy 8-layer PCB mobos.
LGA1366 is targeted at high end / enthusiasts. It's actually not that expensive if you compare it to existing high end platforms. X58 mobos start from $300, maybe $350 - $400 for a top end model. A decent X48 mobo costs $250, top end models cost $300+. At most, we're looking at a $50 - $100 difference, and you get both CF and SLI support with X58 - check out how much a top end 790i mobo costs.![]()
And then you have the cost of the i7 itself...$300 for the cheapest (give or take).
Which gives far better multi-threading performance (20 - 50%) and equivalent or better single-threaded performance than a $330 Q9550.
And for all that you do get an absolute bandwidth monster...you aren't spending the money and getting nothing in return, but the challenge is going to be finding applications that run like dogs on existing (and much cheaper) DDR2-based Yorkfield and upcoming Deneb platforms.
Agreed, everyone should consider carefully whether their usage will benefit from Nehalem before buying. For example, most gamers would be best served with an E0 stepping C2D @ 4.5GHz until games become more multi-threaded.
i7 has about as much market potential (for the next 6-9 months) as Skulltrail has enjoyed for the past 6 months. Spendy ram (FBDIMM vs DDR3) and 8 threads that have access to loads of bandwidth but no killer apps demanding it. So the world will look with amazement, as we did with Skulltrail, and we'll go about our business of buying Yorkie's and Deneb's. IMO.
I respect you opinions a lot IDC but that is seriously laughable. As much market potential as Skulltrail due to DDR3 and lack of killer MT apps?! Please. Check above where I compared DDR2 to DDR3 prices, the difference is not nearly as great as it was 6 months ago, and is shrinking by the day. Not to mention Skulltrail CPUs costs $1500, a $300 i7 920 will provide equivalent or better performance in most cases.
several problems here:
1 is that you're comparing 2gb sticks of ddr2 to 1gb sticks of ddr3 for cost. compare 3x1gb ddr3 to 2x1gb ddr2 (as both of those are certainly the bare minimum that an enthusiast would consider atm) and you get closer to $100 minimum difference.
Another issue is that while you do have sli with x58, the cheaper ($300-ish) mobos don't have the nforce 200 on them and thus are only good for 2 cards. higher end sli mobos will be a LOT more expensive but will still cater to nvidia enthusiasts, leaving a market for either 890i mobos or x58's with nforce 200's on them.
Finally, nehalem is not arriving during a booming economy. Most of us these days don't mind spending an extra couple hundred to get a q9450 or q9550 instead of an e8400, say, but how many people will be unaffected by the current economic problems in the next few months? I believe that the VAST majority of previously price-insensitive purchasers such as myself and IDK, will think twice before spending $300-500 more for a complete system upgrade unless we really see a significant jump in performance for our specific apps. I was completely on the nehalem bandwagon a couple of months ago but now I'm probably going to just sit this round out. If I didn't already have a good system I'd probably buy a penryn system now or maybe wait a few months and compare prices on the 45nm amd systems with penryn, but I'd certainly NOT blow $1000+ a new nehalem.
