AMD says new 'Shanghai' chip is ready to go

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok, so shanghai is shipping... so what is it called? phenom X4 something?

Phenom Superanon Plus is my guess. That's assuming Hector Ruin had anything to do with it's naming, like he did with Phenom. If he didn't have any sayso in it's naming, my guess is that it will be called the Thank God Hector's Gone, This Is What Phenom Would Have Been, Had Hector Never Worked Here X4.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok, so shanghai is shipping... so what is it called? phenom X4 something?

I would actually be quite surprised if the Phenom brand lives on. It's about as tarnished a brand name as they come this day and age after the TLB debacle.

Even Nvidia doesn't wait for its brand names to become tarnished before they change them nowadays

The X4 might stay, but I fully expect the Phenom moniker to go no further than 65nm.

If Intels goes with i7, what's to keep AMD from adopting a7?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
If Intels goes with i7, what's to keep AMD from adopting a7?

A stroke of marketing genius! They should pay you...

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Marketing genius and tech support nightmare.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok, so shanghai is shipping... so what is it called? phenom X4 something?

Phenom is desktop, Shanghai is Opteron.

 

[emilyek]

Unless Intel takes a nap again, AMD will be in second place.

ATI has an actual chance at competing, for now; but I hope in the near future Larrabee comes in and blows them both out of the water.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: emilyek
Unless Intel takes a nap again, AMD will be in second place.

ATI has an actual chance at competing, for now; but I hope in the near future Larrabee comes in and blows them both out of the water.

I wouldn't be too keen on that. Lack of competition only means higher prices and less choices for us.

 

[eternalone]

Its good that Amd is coming out with these chips we dont need a dictatorship selling us our cpu's.
I have a budget system running a Toliman 8450 and an Ecs board for $110 dollars and it is very fast. Tolimans and Phenoms are very underated because of the whole problems with the first stepping.

 

[Kraeoss]

Originally posted by: emilyek
Unless Intel takes a nap again, AMD will be in second place.

ATI has an actual chance at competing, for now; but I hope in the near future Larrabee comes in and blows them both out of the water.

^^intel fan boy....

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Kraeoss

Originally posted by: emilyek
Unless Intel takes a nap again, AMD will be in second place.

ATI has an actual chance at competing, for now; but I hope in the near future Larrabee comes in and blows them both out of the water.

^^intel fan boy....

If you haven't noticed, practically no one treats another poster like that around here.

The rest of us are capable of reading and have already formed our opinions (positive or negative) on emilyek's post in the absence of your pointless personal attack.

emilyek stated their opinion regarding technology and company's portfolios.

If you have a differing opinion about technology or a company's portfolio then feel free to post it.

If you feel emilyek's position is not justified based on some fact or opinions on facts that you have at your disposal then post them and make your case.

But declaring another poster a fanboy accomplishes only one thing - a loss in your credibility.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Kraeoss

Originally posted by: emilyek
Unless Intel takes a nap again, AMD will be in second place.

ATI has an actual chance at competing, for now; but I hope in the near future Larrabee comes in and blows them both out of the water.

^^intel fan boy....

If you haven't noticed, practically no one treats another poster like that around here.

The rest of us are capable of reading and have already formed our opinions (positive or negative) on emilyek's post in the absence of your pointless personal attack.

emilyek stated their opinion regarding technology and company's portfolios.

If you have a differing opinion about technology or a company's portfolio then feel free to post it.

If you feel emilyek's position is not justified based on some fact or opinions on facts that you have at your disposal then post them and make your case.

But declaring another poster a fanboy accomplishes only one thing - a loss in your credibility.

Pwned.

 

[atari030]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Kraeoss

Originally posted by: emilyek
Unless Intel takes a nap again, AMD will be in second place.

ATI has an actual chance at competing, for now; but I hope in the near future Larrabee comes in and blows them both out of the water.

^^intel fan boy....

If you haven't noticed, practically no one treats another poster like that around here.

The rest of us are capable of reading and have already formed our opinions (positive or negative) on emilyek's post in the absence of your pointless personal attack.

emilyek stated their opinion regarding technology and company's portfolios.

If you have a differing opinion about technology or a company's portfolio then feel free to post it.

If you feel emilyek's position is not justified based on some fact or opinions on facts that you have at your disposal then post them and make your case.

But declaring another poster a fanboy accomplishes only one thing - a loss in your credibility.

I laughed at the logic used here.

How does making some general, sweeping statement about the fortunes of a company's future, not-yet-realized product ('I have already pre-judged something which doesn't yet exist') constitute a proper 'statement of opinion' about a technology in a technical forum? In fact, he's wishing ill will here, and not just stating an 'opinion'. It leant nothing to the discussion. It had no real merit, whatsoever, to tell you the truth. I fail to see how it can be defended at all, really.

Regardless, I would think these types of posts (and like responses about fan-boyism) would be removed from the forums flat out, and repeat offenders banned. They lend nothing constructive. They are silly. They cause problems, distract attention from real discussion, and propagate immature behavior. People need to grow up.

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Phynaz

At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent, Patla said.

See sig.

I suppose this time they didn't say what specific metric Shanghai is going to outperform Barcelona.

He could simply mean power consumption is reduced 20% at the same clockspeed.

You sound like you got fooled once and can't get fooled again :laugh:

"According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona."

Link

Crank up the spin machine.

I may soon have something to add to my sig.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok, so shanghai is shipping... so what is it called? phenom X4 something?

I would actually be quite surprised if the Phenom brand lives on. It's about as tarnished a brand name as they come this day and age after the TLB debacle.

Even Nvidia doesn't wait for its brand names to become tarnished before they change them nowadays

The X4 might stay, but I fully expect the Phenom moniker to go no further than 65nm.

If Intels goes with i7, what's to keep AMD from adopting a7?

you mean a8. which intel will respond to with the i960

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: atari030
How does making some general, sweeping statement about the fortunes of a company's future, not-yet-realized product ('I have already pre-judged something which doesn't yet exist') constitute a proper 'statement of opinion' about a technology in a technical forum?

Good question, why don't you ask them? Just try and do it in a way that reflects a modicum of respect for the individual at the other end of the two-way communication.

Originally posted by: atari030
In fact, he's wishing ill will here, and not just stating an 'opinion'. It leant nothing to the discussion. It had no real merit, whatsoever, to tell you the truth. I fail to see how it can be defended at all, really.

If you really feel that way then I suggest you take some advice I read about here and just ignore them: http://www.hardforum.com/showp...32651547&postcount=143

Originally posted by: atari030
Regardless, I would think these types of posts (and like responses about fan-boyism) would be removed from the forums flat out, and repeat offenders banned. They lend nothing constructive. They are silly. They cause problems, distract attention from real discussion, and propagate immature behavior. People need to grow up.

It's ironic that you should feel that way considering the post I am responding to.

Personally I feel it is important to keep a certain percentage of the iceberg above sea-level so others can see a few blatant examples of acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

If everything gets swept under the rug then new posters, you know those folks with say 1 post count, might not quite understand the philosophy we like to have here on Anandtech versus how folks conduct themselves on some other forums out there.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, did you have anything to contribute or did you really just register at AT forums solely to thread-crap on my thread?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Phynaz

At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent, Patla said.

See sig.

I suppose this time they didn't say what specific metric Shanghai is going to outperform Barcelona.

He could simply mean power consumption is reduced 20% at the same clockspeed.

You sound like you got fooled once and can't get fooled again :laugh:

"According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona."

Link

Crank up the spin machine.

I may soon have something to add to my sig.

Oh my :shocked: Nothing like a renegade talking head (i.e. loose cannon). No doubt there were a few follow-up internals mtgs with a Mr. Patla after his quotes hit the interwebz.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona.

lulz

nothing like a confused executive

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Oh my :shocked: Nothing like a renegade talking head (i.e. loose cannon). No doubt there were a few follow-up internals mtgs with a Mr. Patla after his quotes hit the interwebz.

One would hope. I personally hope that they actually get a massive increase in performance, and this doesn't turn out to be another Phenom-like "Kentsfield killer".

BTW, what's up with all of the obtuse fanboys joining AT lately, just to threadcrap?

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: atari030
How does making some general, sweeping statement about the fortunes of a company's future, not-yet-realized product ('I have already pre-judged something which doesn't yet exist') constitute a proper 'statement of opinion' about a technology in a technical forum?

Good question, why don't you ask them? Just try and do it in a way that reflects a modicum of respect for the individual at the other end of the two-way communication.

Originally posted by: atari030
In fact, he's wishing ill will here, and not just stating an 'opinion'. It leant nothing to the discussion. It had no real merit, whatsoever, to tell you the truth. I fail to see how it can be defended at all, really.

If you really feel that way then I suggest you take some advice I read about here and just ignore them: http://www.hardforum.com/showp...32651547&postcount=143

Originally posted by: atari030
Regardless, I would think these types of posts (and like responses about fan-boyism) would be removed from the forums flat out, and repeat offenders banned. They lend nothing constructive. They are silly. They cause problems, distract attention from real discussion, and propagate immature behavior. People need to grow up.

It's ironic that you should feel that way considering the post I am responding to.

Personally I feel it is important to keep a certain percentage of the iceberg above sea-level so others can see a few blatant examples of acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

If everything gets swept under the rug then new posters, you know those folks with say 1 post count, might not quite understand the philosophy we like to have here on Anandtech versus how folks conduct themselves on some other forums out there.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, did you have anything to contribute or did you really just register at AT forums solely to thread-crap on my thread?

lol at your response.

Intel is not going to take a nap, oomgzor Nvidia will beat them up big time then AMD will be in third place.

I hope Nvidia and AMD join up and blow up Intel's new GPU pwn.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Phynaz

At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent, Patla said.

See sig.

I suppose this time they didn't say what specific metric Shanghai is going to outperform Barcelona.

He could simply mean power consumption is reduced 20% at the same clockspeed.

You sound like you got fooled once and can't get fooled again :laugh:

"According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona."

Link

Crank up the spin machine.

I may soon have something to add to my sig.

The 35 percent number is across the range as an average, the 20 percent number is specifically at the same clockspeed...

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Phynaz

At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent, Patla said.

See sig.

I suppose this time they didn't say what specific metric Shanghai is going to outperform Barcelona.

He could simply mean power consumption is reduced 20% at the same clockspeed.

You sound like you got fooled once and can't get fooled again :laugh:

"According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona."

Link

Crank up the spin machine.

I may soon have something to add to my sig.

I like how the picture shows four dies, and the caption says "AMD quad-core 45nm die". I feel better about the processor after reading that article than the first one. Even so, I have no problem waiting to see how it actually performs. Maybe this is why the prices on Intels low end chips seem to be so low right now (deals are everywhere). At first I thought it was because Nehalem was right around the corner, but that didn't make much sense because those are mid-range to high-end products. Maybe they are to combat AMD gaining marketshare in the midrange, or it could be a way to clear out inventory for old chipsets - who knows?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: atari030
How does making some general, sweeping statement about the fortunes of a company's future, not-yet-realized product ('I have already pre-judged something which doesn't yet exist') constitute a proper 'statement of opinion' about a technology in a technical forum?

Good question, why don't you ask them? Just try and do it in a way that reflects a modicum of respect for the individual at the other end of the two-way communication.

Originally posted by: atari030
In fact, he's wishing ill will here, and not just stating an 'opinion'. It leant nothing to the discussion. It had no real merit, whatsoever, to tell you the truth. I fail to see how it can be defended at all, really.

If you really feel that way then I suggest you take some advice I read about here and just ignore them: http://www.hardforum.com/showp...32651547&postcount=143

Originally posted by: atari030
Regardless, I would think these types of posts (and like responses about fan-boyism) would be removed from the forums flat out, and repeat offenders banned. They lend nothing constructive. They are silly. They cause problems, distract attention from real discussion, and propagate immature behavior. People need to grow up.

It's ironic that you should feel that way considering the post I am responding to.

Personally I feel it is important to keep a certain percentage of the iceberg above sea-level so others can see a few blatant examples of acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

If everything gets swept under the rug then new posters, you know those folks with say 1 post count, might not quite understand the philosophy we like to have here on Anandtech versus how folks conduct themselves on some other forums out there.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, did you have anything to contribute or did you really just register at AT forums solely to thread-crap on my thread?

lol at your response.

Intel is not going to take a nap, oomgzor Nvidia will beat them up big time then AMD will be in third place.

I hope Nvidia and AMD join up and blow up Intel's new GPU pwn.

......... What?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Viditor
The 35 percent number is across the range as an average, the 20 percent number is specifically at the same clockspeed...

looks like someone drank the same kool aid

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Phynaz
"According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona."

Link

Crank up the spin machine.

I may soon have something to add to my sig.

The 35 percent number is across the range as an average, the 20 percent number is specifically at the same clockspeed...

Well let's see if we can run some numbers and arrive at a self-consistent endpoint with these data points.

Datum #1 - IPC improves 20%

Datum #2 - At some clockspeed (the unknown) power consumption is 35% less and performance is 35% more

Datum #3 - from Ars link:

Barcelona's TDP ratings have improved since last September; a modern 2360SE built on the B3 stepping now draws just 105W.

Now let's assume we are talking about the 2.5GHz 2360S.

35% less the 105W TDP would make for a 68W TDP for the theoretically referenced Shanghai.

Now assume linear performance scaling (best case scenario, will over-estimate Shanghai 's clockspeed as an upper-bound)...35% more performance would require a 3.375GHz Barcelona (1.35 x 2.5GHz = 3.375GHz)...but Shanghai can deliver that same performance with 20% lower clockspeed so 2.7GHz (3.375GHz x 0.8 = 2.7GHz).

So what I read out of Patla's statement regarding 35%/35% is he is saying (for example) that a 105W TDP 2.5GHz 2360S Barcelona can be replaced by a 68W TDP 2.7GHz Shanghai and it will have 35% lower power consumption (Despite higher clockspeed) and 35% more performance (from combination of higher clockspeed and improved IPC).

Doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
"According to Patla, Shanghai will offer 35 percent more performance and 35 percent better power efficiency when compared to Barcelona products. There appears, however, to have been a miscommunication at some point; CNet quotes Patla as saying: "At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent." When he spoke to Ars, Patla clearly and distinctly emphasized 35 percent improvements in both raw performance and power efficiency when comparing Shanghai to Barcelona."

Link

Crank up the spin machine.

I may soon have something to add to my sig.

Another good statement in that link is:

For all its strengths, those of you hoping Shanghai will vault Penryn entirely and drop squarely into Nehalem territory may well be disappointed.

AMD told Ars this week that Shanghai is explicitly and directly targeted at Intel's quad-core, Penryn-based Harpertown processor.

Well I guess that puts that to rest. Shanghai is for competing with Harpertown. No intended competition with Nehalem.