AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

[Glo.]

So Haswell in gaming is few percent behind Kaby Lake, per clock, and uses slower RAM. So the RAM can mitigate the difference in Ryzen chips.

 

[leoneazzurro]

And of course it was known, if IPC is in Haswell proximity, no way a 3,8-4GHz chip can compete in absolute performance with a KBL starting at 4.2GHz and going turbo a 4.5GHz. We should look at a 10-25% difference in ST depending on the application so 4C Ryzen are at a disadvantage until ethey can get higher frequencies than the counterpart. But of course it all comes at price/perf in MT.

 

[CentroX]

Unless the 6/8 core models clock much higher the gaming performance difference in most games won't be much between the 4C8T Ryzen and the higher ones.

Appearently 8 core models have higher clock then 4 core models.

 

[CentroX]

Haswell is nearly four years old.

It makes sense though. AMD started working on ryzen 5 years ago.

 

[jpiniero]

Appearently 8 core models have higher clock then 4 core models.

Well, I mean overclock of course. I do expect overclocks to be better on the 8 cores but there's no guarantee at this point. I'm assuming the ones that will sell are the 1500 and 1300... the full L3 that the 1500 has might be useful more than the extra cores in games.

 

[leoneazzurro]

Appearently 8 core models have higher clock then 4 core models.

This, aside from silicon quality considerations (I see too much doom&gloom in that department), can be easily a marketing reason. AMD is giving simply more threads than the competition at a given price point, so the 4C are in reality competing with 2C and AMD's 6C with Intel's 4C. thay need something to differentiate the offer. This simply because at the moment they cannot (or don't want to) compete on max frequency, so they are focusing on something else.

 

[OrangeKhrush]

Unless the 6/8 core models clock much higher the gaming performance difference in most games won't be much between the 4C8T Ryzen and the higher ones.

The higher models have higher frequency and better silicon yields, this is why they can push higher frequency. Unfortunately at the bottom, until yields improve the proces will be stuck with low clocks. It is a case of you getting reward for buying higher end

 

[USER8000]

So much hyperbole. I think CanardPC have forgotten:
1.)Three out of the four Core i5 SKUs are not overclockable
2.)They have much lower Turbo clocks.

The Core i5 7400 is 3.0~3.5GHZ,the Core i5 7500 is 3.4GHZ~3.8GHZ and the Core i5 7600 is 3.5GHZ~4.1GHZ.

In the tweet,the other bloke made,he said Turbo upto 3.9GHZ,so I am not sure how it suddenly it is uncompetitive. Even if Intel has 10% better IPC,at best you might be seeing 10% to 15% better scores in single core benchmarks.

 

[CentroX]

We know that ryzen does well against a 6900k in gaming

 

[Crumpet]

in 3 games....

 

[CentroX]

in 3 games....

Battlefield 1 uses frostbite, one of the premier game engines in the world. Doing well in frostbite pretty much means lots of other games as well.

 

[USER8000]

in 3 games....

6 games,and if we take clockspeeds into account and try to be pessimistic,lets say Haswell IPC in games. The leaked pricing indicated the top 4C/8T chip was positioned against the Core i5 7400 and Core i5 7500.

So a 4C/8T Ryzen chip at 3.5GHZ~3.9GHZ,against a 3.0GHZ~3.5GHZ Core i5 7400 and a 3.5GHZ~3.8GHZ Core i5 7500 does not seem much in it,in lightly threaded software. Both of these models are multiplier locked.

Sure the Core i5 7600K will push ahead,but its not being priced towards that model.

Edit to post.

That would be like comparing a Core i7 4770K to a Core i5 7400 and Core i5 7500.

 

[Riek]

^ This

The clock difference between 7600K and that 4c/8T ryzen is ~8% for single core.
note: If we assume that the X boosts higher (reported to be 3.9+), you might even have a boost advantage for some or well cooled ryzen samples.

Also important to note that the i5 7600K is a 91W TDP model, where the rumored Ryzen 4c/8t is a 65W model.

Sounds to be a statement from CPC where they compare it to the 7700K instead of the lower end models.
Heck if you compare it to the i7-7700 which is:

base: 3.6Ghz
boost: 4.2Ghz
TDP 65W.
Recommended Customer Price$303.00 - $312.00

The difference is in all cases less than 8% in clockspeed. (that is without taking the X into account).
So not sure if the non-K version is even worth it..

 

[inf64]

The "X" 4C/8T model should be able to use XFR to boost its clock above 3.9Ghz on good cooling. That should help a lot in games. After all CPC mentioned 3.8-4Ghz range and XFR clocks are right in that range. Not to mention Ryzen will have SMT enabled Vs poor KL i5s 4 threads :/.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I don't need an excuse. -cut- As far as "horrible waste of money", it's hard to argue against someone feeling that way. I'm not a golfer and could argue that buying new clubs, shoes etc all the time is a "horrible wate of money". However, I will not do that since I have learned that if something is your hobby (i.e. golf to a golfer and building newer computers to me) and you love it, wasting money is probably not in the equation.

You're not the only one feeling that way. What is more, compared to a lot of other things, PC building is actually a fairly inexpensive hobby.

 

[OrangeKhrush]

Either way performance will be good, I just don't know why we are comparing against Kabylake/Skylake when Ryzen was more targeted to the Haswell family of parts. It is not like Haswell vs Kabylake is that earth shattering because Haswell is a fast architecture. What I am keen on is how AMD will mitigate clockspeed deficiency, XFR is one feature but I feel there are a few hidden secrets.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Either way performance will be good, I just don't know why we are comparing against Kabylake/Skylake when Ryzen was more targeted to the Haswell family of parts. It is not like Haswell vs Kabylake is that earth shattering because Haswell is a fast architecture. What I am keen on is how AMD will mitigate clockspeed deficiency, XFR is one feature but I feel there are a few hidden secrets.

Ryzen is being compared to Kaby Lake because that's the product that potential Ryzen buyers will also consider. Nobody is buying Haswell today.

 

[inf64]

Another thing to consider is what is left for intel to do? They have already pushed the clocks sky high on KL(-X) i5 and i7s, there is very little room left. On the other hand this is AMD's first batch of chips, as the time goes by they will catch up with clock speeds. I expect them to reach 4GHz base on 4C parts in a quarter or so, even if that would mean they would have to push it to 95W bracket. Similar goes for 6C and 8C parts, lots of room for improvement.

 

[USER8000]

AMD MORE CORES(tm) now countered by INTEL MORE MHZ(tm).

 

[Arachnotronic]

Another thing to consider is what is left for intel to do? They have already pushed the clocks sky high on KL(-X) i5 and i7s, there is very little room left. On the other hand this is AMD's first batch of chips, as the time goes by they will catch up with clock speeds. I expect them to reach 4GHz base on 4C parts in a quarter or so, even if that would mean they would have to push it to 95W bracket. Similar goes for 6C and 8C parts, lots of room for improvement.

You keep forgetting about the existence of Intel's HEDT lineup, lol.

 

[raghu78]

One thing people have to keep in mind is all Ryzen CPUs are multiplier unlocked. So we need to wait and see what the average OC is for AMD 4C/4T and 4C/8T. Anything close to 4.5 Ghz on good air cooling and the core i5 non k line is going to have a really tough time fetching the current prices given that AMD is pricing 4C/4T at USD 150 and 4C/8T at USD 199.

 

[Veradun]

You keep forgetting about the existence of Intel's HEDT lineup, lol.

And its current top SKU is 3.0 GHz for around 1700$

 

[zinfamous]

You keep forgetting about the existence of Intel's HEDT lineup, lol.

I would, too, if they are priced 2x-3x their competitor (especially if the performance delta is significantly negligible )

 

[USER8000]

One thing people have to keep in mind is all Ryzen CPUs are multiplier unlocked. So we need to wait and see what the average OC is for AMD 4C/4T and 4C/8T. Anything close to 4.5 Ghz on good air cooling and the core i5 non k line is going to have a really tough time fetching the current prices given that AMD is pricing 4C/4T at USD 150 and 4C/8T at USD 199.

Yep,and I really hope websites don't convenient forget SKUs like the Core i5 7400 and Core i5 7500 in their benchmarks,if AMD is pricing 4C/8T close to them.

 

[inf64]

You keep forgetting about the existence of Intel's HEDT lineup, lol.

I was obviously referring to regular i5s and i7s. The only part that AMD doesn't have covered is the 20T part. All others are covered and will have massively better perf./$. What can intel do to combat cheap 12T Ryzen that has XFR enabled? Or cheap 8T Ryzen with XFR? Will they cut prices on their mainstream desktop SKUs? I don't disregard that option but this is intel we are talking about, they cannot lose their margins.