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That blue is likely 7200 rpm cuz it's an older model. WD wants to sell their overpriced blacks, and reduce the rates of failure for the other drives, so they slowed the other hdds to 5400 rpm.

I used to only buy wd, but not anymore.
 
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unseenmorbidity said:
That blue is likely 7200 rpm cuz it's an older model. WD wants to sell their overpriced blacks, and reduce the rates of failure for the other drives, so they slowed the other hdd to 5400 rpm.

I used to only buy wd, but not anymore.
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Yeah, I just figured that out. I've considered buying their SSDs (formerly SanDisk), but I stopped buying WD drives a while back. The last hard drive I bought was a Seagate Constellation, and the only HDDs I've thought about buying since then was a helium HGST one.
 
unseenmorbidity said:
That blue is likely 7200 rpm cuz it's an older model. WD wants to sell their overpriced blacks, and reduce the rates of failure for the other drives, so they slowed the other hdds to 5400 rpm.

I used to only buy wd, but not anymore.
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Seems so, I am really annoyed at how they first announced this whole renaming of colors to "help consumers" (marketing BS), and are slashing warranties as well, but WD isn't alone in this, now that we have less competition for HDs, we are getting the shaft.
Yet, we still need them to hold TB+ of data until we can get a replacement that is cost effective.

Captain_WD said:
The WD Green line is indeed getting integrated in our WD Blue line and all the features are getting transferred too with the only difference being they are all fixed 5,400 rpm instead of having the IntelliPower feature with different RPMs for each drive.
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https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/which-hdd-out-of-these-should-i-get.2475815/#post-38272304 if you care what he has to say about the other colors.

Sorry for getting a bit OT.
 
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Phaetos said:
Ok , what components would you suggest then?
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If you can purchase the parts over a span of 1-2 weeks, i would use a site like slickdeals (not sure if it's against the rules to mention deal sites, don't see why it would be).
If you check some recent expired deals first and form an opinion on where prices are and what is a good deal, you should be able to get significantly better value for the entire system, inside your budget.
I am seeing some cases deals right now, The CM N400 at 30$ (do check reviews if you go this cheap, the PSU air filter is annoying on this case), the Phanteks Enthoo Pro at 70$. Define R5 at 80$.
That Seasonic PSU someone mentioned at 50$ is likely pretty good but can't quickly find a review, you can find some bronze options at 20-30$ if you want to go that low but i wouldn't as electricity costs too.
On the HDD side i would look for 25$ per TB deals but at the very least you can get 2TB at 60$ instead of 1TB at 50$.
For GPUs, there have been some deals for the 470 at bellow 150$ and you would get much better perf per $.
 
moonbogg said:
PSU and water tubing came in. Ram should be here tomorrow. Stuff is trickling in. Is anyone else just really damn excited right now? What a time to build a rig. Everyone else seems kind of calm so I thought it was maybe just me.
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Cry zen and let slip the watchdogs of war!

Byaaaaaahhhh!
 
moonbogg said:
PSU and water tubing came in. Ram should be here tomorrow. Stuff is trickling in. Is anyone else just really damn excited right now? What a time to build a rig. Everyone else seems kind of calm so I thought it was maybe just me.
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coercitiv said:
Calm?! Everybody is locked in and primed, set to go off March 2. It's going to be a fireworks show.
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Yeah, I'm chomping at the bit here, just waiting for reviews to see if I should ruin my personal finances for the next few months by buying a 1700(X) instead of the 1600X I was planning on. My impression is that everyone else is going bananas too. This has been the longest couple of weeks in a long, long time for me.

Does anyone know at what time (in what time zone) the embargo ends? If it's like 4pm Pacific, I'll be pretty pissed. That's in no way enough time to read all the reviews for us Europeans.
 
Valantar said:
Does anyone know at what time (in what time zone) the embargo ends? If it's like 4pm Pacific, I'll be pretty pissed. That's in no way enough time to read all the reviews for us Europeans.
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Usually it's 9am ET. Can't quite remember if we have confirmation that it's at 9ET this time around but it's 99% sure.
 
moonbogg said:
PSU and water tubing came in. Ram should be here tomorrow. Stuff is trickling in. Is anyone else just really damn excited right now? What a time to build a rig. Everyone else seems kind of calm so I thought it was maybe just me.
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I'm pretty excited, but at the same time, my 4770K is already plenty fast. So it's not like I don't have a usable computer at all. Mostly I'm looking forward to reading the reviews.

Phanteks shipped my AM4 mounting kit on Monday. Now waiting for the shipping confirmation for the X370 Prime, 1800X and CX650M PSU.
 
moonbogg said:
PSU and water tubing came in. Ram should be here tomorrow. Stuff is trickling in. Is anyone else just really damn excited right now? What a time to build a rig. Everyone else seems kind of calm so I thought it was maybe just me.
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My case got here yesterday. Blu ray drive came Sunday, Most of the parts arrive today. CPU has been charged to my card and newegg says it is in packaging right now. Amazon is being tight lipped so far in regards to the asus crosshair motherboard......

I had 2 day shipping on the cpu and board, was hoping to be building it this sunday. But if that doesn't work out, I have monday and tuesday off from work next week just in case. And if things do come in on time, I have a few days off to fine tune the system and get it optimized 🙂
 
imported_jjj said:
Usually it's 9am ET. Can't quite remember if we have confirmation that it's at 9ET this time around but it's 99% sure.
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If so, that's all right - that's 2pm here. A bit late in the day for ordering online and have the order shipped ASAP, but if I'm lucky I can stop by my local computer store on the way home from work. If reviews are positive, of course. And if I decide to spend more money than I really can afford to. Oh well.
William Munn said:
I had 2 day shipping on the cpu and board, was hoping to be building it this sunday. But if that doesn't work out, I have monday and tuesday off from work next week just in case. And if things do come in on time, I have a few days off to fine tune the system and get it optimized 🙂
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I have to ask: did you take time off from work to build your PC? 😀
 
Valantar said:
If so, that's all right - that's 2pm here. A bit late in the day for ordering online and have the order shipped ASAP, but if I'm lucky I can stop by my local computer store on the way home from work. If reviews are positive, of course. And if I decide to spend more money than I really can afford to. Oh well.

I have to ask: did you take time off from work to build your PC? 😀
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Actually no, It was because of some medical stuff I needed to get done, and would rather not deal with leaving work to go for an appointment and drive all the way back to work. Made more sense to book time off. But it worked out for the better, as my appointment is minutes away from home, so I can have most of the day to do what I want.
 
Valantar said:
If so, that's all right - that's 2pm here. A bit late in the day for ordering online and have the order shipped ASAP, but if I'm lucky I can stop by my local computer store on the way home from work. If reviews are positive, of course. And if I decide to spend more money than I really can afford to. Oh well.
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My expectations are overall slower than Broadwell. Well ahead in few, ahead in some, even in some, behind in plenty and well behind in some. Not gonna be 10% behind overall, that's more vs Skylake i guess.
Might have a substantial advantage in power,not in peak power but in actual usage and at idle.

The 6 and 4 cores might end up more interesting for many.
The top SKU would have similar clocks to the top 8 cores SKUs and they'll have more memory bandwidth on a per core basis.
At the same time, these SKUs would compete with Intel products clocked lower that the 7700k and they become very attractive.
 
William Munn said:
Actually no, It was because of some medical stuff I needed to get done, and would rather not deal with leaving work to go for an appointment and drive all the way back to work. Made more sense to book time off. But it worked out for the better, as my appointment is minutes away from home, so I can have most of the day to do what I want.
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Sure. "Medical stuff." Open-case surgery? A motherboardectomy and CPU implantation? 😉

imported_jjj said:
My expectations are overall slower than Broadwell. Well ahead in few, ahead in some, even in some, behind in plenty and well behind in some. Not gonna be 10% behind overall, that's more vs Skylake i guess.
Might have a substantial advantage in power,not in peak power but in actual usage and at idle.

The 6 and 4 cores might end up more interesting for many.
The top SKU would have similar clocks to the top 8 cores SKUs and they'll have more memory bandwidth on a per core basis.
At the same time, these SKUs would compete with Intel products clocked lower that the 7700k and they become very attractive.
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That's pretty much what I'm expecting as well. No miracles, just competitive IPC. 10% behind BDW-E would be a little disappointing, but anything above that would make me a happy camper. Right now I'm leaning quite heavily towards stretching my wallet to fit either a 1700 or 1700X - that site that did benchmarks of new (not 2-3-4-year-old) games showing good scaling to 8 cores made that suddenly more attractive. Especially in light of the 6- and 4-core versions possibly not clocking much higher than the 8-cores.


A thought, though: In addition to the obvious of selling as many high-priced SKUs as possible and not diverting initial fully functional dies to 4- or 6-core SKUs with lower margins, might AMD be holding back Ryzen 3 and 5 (both specs and launch) to optimize clock speeds? One thing is showing developers slides with specs (like we've seen leaks from), another is actually announcing it publicly. And it's not like any developer would complain if the 4- and 6-core SKUs suddenly ran 2-300 MHz faster than initially shown.
 
My 1800x is shipping today from Newegg, but it looks like I'll be waiting for a few days on the motherboard

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Valantar said:
That's pretty much what I'm expecting as well. No miracles, just competitive IPC. 10% behind BDW-E would be a little disappointing, but anything above that would make me a happy camper. Right now I'm leaning quite heavily towards stretching my wallet to fit either a 1700 or 1700X - that site that did benchmarks of new (not 2-3-4-year-old) games showing good scaling to 8 cores made that suddenly more attractive. Especially in light of the 6- and 4-core versions possibly not clocking much higher than the 8-cores.

A thought, though: In addition to the obvious of selling as many high-priced SKUs as possible and not diverting initial fully functional dies to 4- or 6-core SKUs with lower margins, might AMD be holding back Ryzen 3 and 5 (both specs and launch) to optimize clock speeds? One thing is showing developers slides with specs (like we've seen leaks from), another is actually announcing it publicly. And it's not like any developer would complain if the 4- and 6-core SKUs suddenly ran 2-300 MHz faster than initially shown.
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Doubt they have room to up clocks for fewer cores and if they did, they would hold back to gain flexibility for future adjustments.
In gaming there is a leak today that doesn't look great but it's for 1700x and 1700 and maybe it does better with AMD GPUs. They might have a latency problem somewhere.
Gaming for more cores, some scale , VR accelerates the transition and i guess dual card does better on more cores.
We'll see tomorrow but i really hope reviewers looked at Ryzen properly with memory scaling, gaming at realistic resolutions, power numbers in real apps not just peak,multitasking.
 
Those gaming scores were actually quite good. You also have to look at the 99% percentile results as well.

The only thing that seemed off was the vanilla 1700 in GTA5.
 
Looks like my 1800X is about to ship, but no Crosshair VI Hero yet 🙁
 
Markfw said:
Your Seasonic x-660 looks like you have good taste in PSU's, and I agree, quality is formost, but sizing... You never want to exceed 70-80% load. Thats when it really can damage a PSU, if its constant usage. The closest I have run is 600 watt load on an 850. That even worries me a little. So, get a kill-a-watt. See your wall load. Then multiply by about 80% to see your max capable(efficiency), then multiply that by 1.3 or so to see the optimum size you should get.

So in my case, a 600 watt drain and an 850 watt psu, is at 88% load, and thats really pushing it. That 850 only gives about 680 watts to the computer, and with a 600 watt drain, thats asking for trouble.

Edit. Its possible that the PSU manufacturers rate their PSU's after loss, so don't yell at me if I got this wrong.
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Oh no arguments on sizing. Thing is, he's getting a 1050Ti and using a 65w cpu. There is no way he will hit the sweet spot on a 600w PSU that way.
 
Hi guys i have a question im currently in dillema:
i have two versions of builds:
1. 1800X + ASUS Crosshair VI Hero + 16 GB Ram
2. 1700X + ASUS Prime X370-Pro + 32 GB Ram

other components are identical. i would like for mobo and CPU too be future proof that it would last at least 6 years as did my stock i5 760 . Witch one would be better?
 
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