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Justinbaileyman said:
Well I really really hope its really a bios problems hold back the amount of sticks of memory being able to be used and not a IMC problem.It seems there are problems like this out of every generation released and the only fix is a new socket and cpu refresh. Hope that is not the case this time around.
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I am fine if only 2 dimm slots work at 3000mhz+. I won't need more than 16gb.
 
Justinbaileyman said:
Well I really really hope its really a bios problems hold back the amount of sticks of memory being able to be used and not a IMC problem.It seems there are problems like this out of every generation released and the only fix is a new socket and cpu refresh. Hope that is not the case this time around.
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It wont be an BIOS issue, it will be a IMC issue, the microcode that is used to update/run the IMC is found in BIOS updates 🙂 . Just because we cant program these things doesn't mean there not programmable 🙂
 
Justinbaileyman said:
Well I really really hope its really a bios problems hold back the amount of sticks of memory being able to be used and not a IMC problem.It seems there are problems like this out of every generation released and the only fix is a new socket and cpu refresh. Hope that is not the case this time around.
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Mobo makers are starting to list memory support and right now it is limited with all 4 slots populated. Gigabyte a few days ago was listing up to 2666 with all 4 and 3200 with only 2.
The fact that Asus has apparently stated that there will be a BIOS fix, is encouraging.
Mobo makers also need more time to validate more kits and there are rumors that in a few months there will be RAM kits aimed at the platform with AMP ( a from AMD) as opposed to XMP.
Ofc if you are worried, waiting before purchasing is always an option.
 
Mockingbird said:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtTbGf

I am not entirely sure which motherboard to get.

As for memory, I'll probably get the cheapest one. Don't care too much about memory speed at this point.
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It's pretty incredible to think that you can suddenly get that kind of an upgrade for $600, no?

That said, I'd invest in a dual-channel memory setup at the very least. 2*8GB should work out fine, and be enough for quite a while. And I would look for a beefier cooler if you plan on overclocking (or possibly a cheaper motherboard if you don't).
 
Here is the information on the Ram I was able to find in the specs listed directly from asus.com regarding crosshair VI hero. I was not able to find any corresponding note at the bottom regarding the *

Nowhere does this state anything about being limited to 2 sticks of ram. Obviously we cannot refer to their site currently for the memory QVL, as it has not been posted yet.

So how much of this 2 stick warning is based on fact, or FUD?

AMD Ryzen™ Processors
4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors
4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
Dual Channel Memory Architecture
** Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).
 
William Munn said:
Here is the information on the Ram I was able to find in the specs listed directly from asus.com regarding crosshair VI hero. I was not able to find any corresponding note at the bottom regarding the *

Nowhere does this state anything about being limited to 2 sticks of ram. Obviously we cannot refer to their site currently for the memory QVL, as it has not been posted yet.

So how much of this 2 stick warning is based on fact, or FUD?

AMD Ryzen™ Processors
4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors
4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
Dual Channel Memory Architecture
** Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).
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Asrock X370 Taichi

I suppose this is incomplete, as there is no info on what the OC memory support is. I'd imagine it'll be the same for other vendors, it's just that they are not listing it at present.
 
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tamz_msc said:
Here is the complete memory specs for the AsRock X370 Taichi:

- Dual Channel DDR4 Memory Technology
- 4 x DDR4 DIMM Slots
- Supports DDR4 2667/2400/2133 ECC & non-ECC, un-buffered memory*
- Max. capacity of system memory: 64GB**
- 15μ Gold Contact in DIMM Slots

*Please refer to below table for DDR4 UDIMM maximum frequency support.
Ryzen Series CPUs:
Code: 
UDIMM Memory Slot                                     Frequency
A1                A2                 B1                 B2
-                   SR                   -                    -                2667
-                   DR                   -                    -                2667
-                   SR                   -                  SR              2667
-                   DR                   -                 DR            2400-2667
SR               SR                 SR                SR           2133-2400
SR/DR         DR             SR/DR             DR          1866-2133

SR: Single rank DIMM, 1Rx4 or 1Rx8 on DIMM module label
DR: Dual rank DIMM, 2Rx4 or 2Rx8 on DIMM module label

**Due to the operating system limitation, the actual memory size may be less than 4GB for the reservation for system usage under Windows® 32-bit OS. For Windows® 64-bit OS with 64-bit CPU, there is no such limitation.
BIOS
- 128Mb AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support
I suppose this is incomplete, as there is no info on what the OC memory support is. I'd imagine it'll be the same for other vendors, it's just that they are not listing it at present.
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That applies to the Asrock board, and doesn't specifically apply to an Asus board. How can you generalize a statement for one product to another unrelated product from a completely different manufacturer?

That's like stating one brand of board has crappy VRM cooling, and saying all boards therefore have crappy VRM cooling. You are assuming something that is not proven factual.
 
The other comment I found interesting was advising me not to populate all 4 slots, because it prevents me from upgrading later on. Well, if I am going straight to 32GB ram from the start, there is no way I will be needing an upgrade. I know from past usage on my computer that I routinely cross the threshold of 16GB on a regular basis, but nowhere near the full 32 GB. That gives me plenty of information to know that 32GB is enough.
 
William Munn said:
That applies to the Asrock board, and doesn't specifically apply to an Asus board. How can you generalize a statement for one product to another unrelated product from a completely different manufacturer?

That's like stating one brand of board has crappy VRM cooling, and saying all boards therefore have crappy VRM cooling. You are assuming something that is not proven factual.
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There is not much differentiation when it comes to memory support across brands, as the IMC is integrated into the CPU. What VRMs you use is an entirely different matter.

If AsRock says that is the memory configuration you can use, then it means either:

1. BIOS does not support it yet, in which case it may change in the future.
2. It really is how the IMC sees the modules when all slots are filled.

If it's the latter, then all other manufacturers will configure their boards the same way.
 
William Munn said:
The other comment I found interesting was advising me not to populate all 4 slots, because it prevents me from upgrading later on. Well, if I am going straight to 32GB ram from the start, there is no way I will be needing an upgrade. I know from past usage on my computer that I routinely cross the threshold of 16GB on a regular basis, but nowhere near the full 32 GB. That gives me plenty of information to know that 32GB is enough.
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You know there are 16 GB DIMMs right?
 
William Munn said:
The other comment I found interesting was advising me not to populate all 4 slots, because it prevents me from upgrading later on. Well, if I am going straight to 32GB ram from the start, there is no way I will be needing an upgrade. I know from past usage on my computer that I routinely cross the threshold of 16GB on a regular basis, but nowhere near the full 32 GB. That gives me plenty of information to know that 32GB is enough.
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The problem is, other than possibly cost (which doesn't apply here), there is literally no advantage to going with 4 sticks over going with 2 sticks for the same amount of ram when it's available. 2 sticks is always superior to 4.
 
Turns out Swift released AM4 brackets for the block I already have so that's an easy $7 upgrade

I also pre-ordered the 1700X and MSI carbon X370... sorry tax return, you're already spent.
 
I am wishing I didn't upgrade my 2600k to a 6700k. Seems pointless now that reasonably priced and good 8-core CPUs will be available.

I've had it for a year now, maybe I'll just upgrade again ... would probably only be a couple hundred bucks out of pocket, maybe less, assuming everyone isn't trying to unload 6700ks at the same time.
 
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtTbGf

imported_jjj said:
You have 8 cores ,memory bandwidth does need a min level , hard to say now where that is.
The cooler is rather thin, maybe prepare a few option and decide based on how hot Ryzen is and how far you plan to push it.
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I plan to go the bare minimum until DDR4 prices come down.

As for the cooler, right now I plan to run at stock and probably would have gone with the stock cooler has that been included.

I want to leave the option of overclocking in the future, but don't have the budget for a better cooler right now.

Valantar said:
It's pretty incredible to think that you can suddenly get that kind of an upgrade for $600, no?

That said, I'd invest in a dual-channel memory setup at the very least. 2*8GB should work out fine, and be enough for quite a while. And I would look for a beefier cooler if you plan on overclocking (or possibly a cheaper motherboard if you don't).
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It's definitely a phenomenon deal. Had you left it to Intel, we would probably still be running mostly quad-core in 2025.

As for the cooler, I would have gone with stock has that been available.

I do want to leave the option of overclocking down the road, but right now I don't have the budget for a better cooler.
 
Mockingbird said:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtTbGf



I plan to go the bare minimum until DDR4 prices come down.

As for the cooler, right now I plan to run at stock and probably would have gone with the stock cooler has that been included.

I want to leave the option of overclocking in the future, but don't have the budget for a better cooler right now.



It's definitely a phenomenon deal. Had you left it to Intel, we would probably still be running mostly quad-core in 2025.

As for the cooler, I would have gone with stock has that been available.

I do want to leave the option of overclocking down the road, but right now I don't have the budget for a better cooler.
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Have you considered going with a B350 board to allow the better cooler? Or even just going with a 1700 non-X (which comes with a cooler) and spending the difference on some decent dual-channel ram?
 
TemjinGold said:
Have you considered going with a B350 board to allow the better cooler? Or even just going with a 1700 non-X (which comes with a cooler) and spending the difference on some decent dual-channel ram?
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Well, this is how I thought about it.

If I get a B350 motherboard today, and then I want an X370 motherboard later, I would be losing a lot of money because used motherboards don't hold their values very well.

If I get a $10 cooler and then later buy something better, I would only be losing $10.

As for RAM, I am not so sure on a strategy yet.

I am thinking that maybe I should get the cheapest DDR4 I can find. As soon as prices on RAM come down, I immediately get rid of what I have and get a nice kit of DDR4.
 
Mockingbird said:
Well, this is how I thought about it.

If I get a B350 motherboard today, and then I want an X370 motherboard later, I would be losing a lot of money because used motherboards don't hold their values very well.

If I get a $10 cooler and then later buy something better, I would only be losing $10.

As for RAM, I am not so sure on a strategy yet.

I am thinking that maybe I should get the cheapest DDR4 I can find. As soon as prices on RAM come down, I immediately get rid of what I have and get a nice kit of DDR4.
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What about just dropping down to 1700 non-X then? That saves you nearly $100 bucks (since there's no need to buy a cooler) and you can spend that on ram. Then you won't need to re-buy anything later and can do some OC now.

Also, my understanding (which might be wrong) is that X370 and B350 are the same for OC. They only differ in that X370 allows SLI/Crossfire and B350 doesn't. If that's true, X370 sounds like a waste of money for you.
 
TemjinGold said:
What about just dropping down to 1700 non-X then? That saves you nearly $100 bucks (since there's no need to buy a cooler) and you can spend that on ram. Then you won't need to re-buy anything later and can do some OC now.

Also, my understanding (which might be wrong) is that X370 and B350 are the same for OC. They only differ in that X370 allows SLI/Crossfire and B350 doesn't. If that's true, X370 sounds like a waste of money for you.
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Theoretically, X370 or B350 shouldn't make much of a different, but in reality, motherboard makers see B350 motherboards as the budget options and put much better components (i.e. VRM) on their X370 motherboards.

If chipset is the only difference, I would absolutely go with a B350 motherboard.

Another important factor is that the processor is expensive to upgrade while memory is cheap(er).

Ryzen 7 1700 is going to be a dud. (the bottom of the barrel)

Think about it, if it wasn't, it would be a Ryzen 7 1800X or a Ryzen 7 1700X.
 
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Would it make sense to buy a single 8 GB stick of DDR4 right now?

Then when prices come down, I'll but a second identical stick.
 
Should I care at all that I bought ram with CAS 16 instead of 15? Its 3200. I feel slightly careless and uncultured for buying CAS 16.
 
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