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AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

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DAPUNISHER said:
AM4 launched in September 2016; over 7yrs ago. Ryzen will be 7yrs old in February. And Zen 3 still consistently dominates the top 10 at Amazon U.S. the biggest retailer. That's an unparalleled market force.
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Yes, it has been fantastic to be able to pick up old motherboards and still be able to put a recent processor in. The only trouble I've had was on a couple of the boards, I had to buy an older cpu in order to boot and update the BIOS to support the newer processor. I wish everybody supported booting and updating the BIOS without a cpu in there.
 
GodisanAtheist said:
AMD has a fever, and the only cure seems to be releasing more AM4 skus
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It's good business.The platform has become ubiquitous. Zen 3 is still wildly popular in retail. OEMs and S.I.s have been producing AM4 PCs for so long, that the ROI is probably a bean counter's dream at this point.Then there's the killer app if you will, 3D V-Cash, which is becoming synonymous with excellence in PC gaming.

Widely available less expensive AM4 Zen 3D would/will be popular.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
The new 5000 series are now for sale in Europe. Cezanne pricing sucks hard. PCIe 3.0, 16MB L3, and Vega 7 graphics in 2024 is really low end stuff. And what the hell is with the big price hike for a small MHz bump without extra cores and threads? AMD pricing strategies hurt my brain.

https://www.techpowerup.com/317390/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-and-5000gt-chips-start-selling-in-europe
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-If it's AMD pricing it just means it will be the right price is a month or two.

Always gotta fleece the early adopters.
 
GodisanAtheist said:
-If it's AMD pricing it just means it will be the right price is a month or two.

Always gotta fleece the early adopters.
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Thanks for giving voice to my thoughts about that. The last 4 years have felt that way. I guess their analytics drive a pricing strategy with the goal of milking their most loyal DIY customers. Then reacting to demand or lack there of once that "Shut up and take my money!" demographic is serviced.

A good example: the 7800XT, prices on most models are higher now than at launch. Speaks to its popularity. Meanwhile the XFX MERC 7900XTX was $799 on Amazon for a hot second.

As to the 5700X3D, needs to be $250 or less after the milking is done. On prime day I got its big bro for $277.70 with 6% cash back.
 
It's always a good idea to wait for like at least two months first. Be it for pricing, firmware support, or even availability.

Some products don't get cheaper in that time span (the X3D variants carved an enduring premium level of their own), but AMD's range in general has a good track record of street prices dropping that quickly.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Thanks for giving voice to my thoughts about that. The last 4 years have felt that way. I guess their analytics drive a pricing strategy with the goal of milking their most loyal DIY customers. Then reacting to demand or lack there of once that "Shut up and take my money!" demographic is serviced.

A good example: the 7800XT, prices on most models are higher now than at launch. Speaks to its popularity. Meanwhile the XFX MERC 7900XTX was $799 on Amazon for a hot second.

As to the 5700X3D, needs to be $250 or less after the milking is done. On prime day I got its big bro for $277.70 with 6% cash back.
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-Yeah, pricing models seem to have become a lot more reactive since the pandemic.

It might just be dumb old nostalgia on my part, but I don't remember product pricing fluctuating as much as it does nowadays on just about anything.
 
igor_kavinski said:
Look on the bright side. A year or two down the line, you can pick up the X3D cheap on sale and then you get to stomp on the 5800X!
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Im probably moving to an AM5 APU in a year or two. Also i have a B450 board so if these new ones are for the 500 only im out.

But yeah, if you brought an 5800X, then they launched the 5800X3D, then the 5700X for cheap to make it pointless and now the 5700X3D...
I feel like a Nvidia user who brought a base gpu on launch day.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Thanks for giving voice to my thoughts about that. The last 4 years have felt that way. I guess their analytics drive a pricing strategy with the goal of milking their most loyal DIY customers. Then reacting to demand or lack there of once that "Shut up and take my money!" demographic is serviced.

A good example: the 7800XT, prices on most models are higher now than at launch. Speaks to its popularity. Meanwhile the XFX MERC 7900XTX was $799 on Amazon for a hot second.

As to the 5700X3D, needs to be $250 or less after the milking is done. On prime day I got its big bro for $277.70 with 6% cash back.
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While I can relate, AMD exists to make profits for it's shareholders. Making us happy is only a means to that end, and if people keep buying at higher prices; AND will be happy to oblige them. I have noticed prices on a lot of components are relatively high right now. I'm curious if high demand during Black Friday/Cyber Monday depleted stocks.
 
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5700X3D should be close enough in gaming to make its big bro irrelevant. No one is going to pay more for what is already lackluster productivity performance.

The rest are not exciting, but hey, they are technically new CPUs for a platform from 2016 👀
 
Is there a precedent for a prior generation to continue getting releases this late into the subsequent gen?

I feel like in ye old days, things were moving so fast that the new hotness overtook the old stuff really fast.

During the Great Intel Stagnation of the Bridges and Lakes (TM) Intel was more concerned with selling folks 5% extra performance every gen and moved on from older chips pretty quickly (and AMD was lost in the desert with its dumpster fire of an arch).

Can't remember a time where we were getting brand spanking new prior gen parts 1.5 years into the next gen.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
It's lasted longer than any other consumer platform. I think skt7 or super skt7 would be in the second spot?

Hell, it's like a console generation now. Up there for legendary status with the PS2 for popularity over time.
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Its getting there for legend status. I mean, the socket is still relevant for the low to mid end performance and price wise while the first gen cpus will no longer be supported (officially at least) by windows 11/12 when win10 support ends in 2025. 8 years after zen cpus were launched.
 
Getting there for legend status? Damn is this place a tough crowd.

Yeah, it's definitely no big deal on windows support. I have a Pro 2400G in my ASRock deskmini and installing win11 pro was super easy. Anyone still on the OG should be upgrading by late 2025 anyways. I picked up a 5500 for $70 here in FS/FT to play with. By the time win 10 is EOL, you'll find them for $50 or less. If they can swing the new 3D which will probably be under $200 by then, it'll be a massive upgrade for dirt cheap.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
It's lasted longer than any other consumer platform. I think skt7 or super skt7 would be in the second spot?

Hell, it's like a console generation now. Up there for legendary status with the PS2 for popularity over time.
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I seem to remember Socket 775 lasted quite some time.
 
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