AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[In2Photos]

- I went from a 6600K + 980ti system to a 5800x3d and 6800xt system.

Nothing quite like contrast therapy to make you feel good about spending $1200 on a gaming rig.

I went from an i7-920 + GTX1660 to a 7700 + 6800XT.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I couldn't get my 3930k to completely jump DDR4, Borderlands 3 saw to that. Even with a shiny pre-mining/pandemic RX 5700 xt it would stumble.

But, if I could do it again I would have still done my initial jump to the 3600x then skipped the 5800 and 5900 and just gone straight to the 5800x 3D.

The 3600/5700xt/B450 setup was a solid pairing and offered a big jump that I made at just the right time it seemed it retrospect. That was great contrast therapy as you say.... if I am being completely honest I probably should still be using that rig.

That's no fun. I prefer doing the Drake - started from the bottom, now we're here upgrades. It also gives you insight into reviews. Because you know if they are gaslighting or have an inadequate testing methodology when it comes to budget parts.

 

[Ajay]

Which ones? the 3D is faster than the 7700 in some 2023 games. Hogwarts maxed out ray tracing is the only one I have seen where the 3D doesn't hold 60fps with a 4090. Even then it is right behind the 7700 at 4K. With that pimptastic Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX and less or no RT, plus the lower driver overhead, it should be golden.

Don't recall. Saw a couple of reviews of some new games; a space game and Allen Wake I think. Zen4 was better than Zen3. Anyway, that's why I said he should do his own research. I don't really keep tabs. He's made his choice and going for the lowest cost option anyway - which was the smart move, IMHO.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Part of the reason zWormz is one of my favorite go to Youtubers, besides the funny accent, cause every Sunday he goes and buys some dumpster tier graphics card and tests it against modern games.

More often than not those sub-$100 used budget cards perform remarkably well in modern games, depending on your appetite for framez. My buddy with the 2200G and the 1660S thinks the machine is his dream rig after coming off of late gen PS3 slideshows.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yeah, Pedro does a great job of showing you the real deal and offering pertinent hands on feedback.

 

[Noid]

New BIOS's out for a security flaw = AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.2.0.B
Some say they lost some performance. This will be the 2nd update I'll skip.

Another update scheduled around December = version " C "
- just stuff I read

 

[Makaveli]

New BIOS's out for a security flaw = AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.2.0.B
Some say they lost some performance. This will be the 2nd update I'll skip.

Another update scheduled around December = version " C "
- just stuff I read

Security > Performance!

For those that are stating performance loss is it less then 5%?

 

[Noid]

Security > Performance!

For those that are stating performance loss is it less then 5%?

AMD security bulletin

Reddit - AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.B - notes from all users

 

[Makaveli]

AMD security bulletin

Reddit - AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.B - notes from all users

I updated to this bios on friday night and been using the pc all weekend I haven't really noticed any difference in use. However I didn't bother checking any synthetic benchmarks just from my normal usage.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Aussie Steve writes a love letter to AM4, and the 5800X3D in particular.

The first thing I did with an X79 setup a few years back, was disable the mitigations with InSpectre. I won't be applying this security update to any of my systems either. It's a nothing burger for home users.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Upgrade Path: AMD Ryzen 3700X to 5800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-9900K

Following up to some recent old-gen CPU testing: How do the 3700X and 9900K compare today, and how does the 9900K stack up against the 5800X3D? It's...

www.techspot.com

Look at the performance improvement in BG3 even at 4K!

Really feel sorry for the simpletons that paid full price for the 9900K when they could have gotten AM4 with the best future upgrade path ever.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The Upgrade Path: AMD Ryzen 3700X to 5800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-9900K

Following up to some recent old-gen CPU testing: How do the 3700X and 9900K compare today, and how does the 9900K stack up against the 5800X3D? It's...

www.techspot.com

Look at the performance improvement in BG3 even at 4K!

Really feel sorry for the simpletons that paid full price for the 9900K when they could have gotten AM4 with the best future upgrade path ever.

-I don't think that's fair. AM4, in retrospect, has been an incredible socket/platform. One of the best, if not THE best.

But there was absolutely no guarantee of that at the time it launches and even when the 9900k was released the AMD equivalent 3700x wasnt close.

AMD really hit it out of the park with Zen3 and turned that into a grand slam with the x3d models, but I don't think anyone here would have bet cold hard cash on that reality at the time the 9900k released.

 

[Markfw]

-I don't think that's fair. AM4, in retrospect, has been an incredible socket/platform. One of the best, if not THE best.

But there was absolutely no guarantee of that at the time it launches and even when the 9900k was released the AMD equivalent 3700x wasnt close.

AMD really hit it out of the park with Zen3 and turned that into a grand slam with the x3d models, but I don't think anyone here would have bet cold hard cash on that reality at the time the 9900k released.

Well, I remember that time very well. Its also when I switched my preference from Intel to AMD. I for one at the time was sure AMD was on a roll, and Intel was failing, and I posted as such.

 

[Rigg]

-I don't think that's fair. AM4, in retrospect, has been an incredible socket/platform. One of the best, if not THE best.

But there was absolutely no guarantee of that at the time it launches and even when the 9900k was released the AMD equivalent 3700x wasnt close.

AMD really hit it out of the park with Zen3 and turned that into a grand slam with the x3d models, but I don't think anyone here would have bet cold hard cash on that reality at the time the 9900k released.

Agreed. Nobody had a crystal ball. The 9900k was easily a better gaming CPU than anything on AM4 up until Zen 3. It was still a top tier gaming CPU until 5800x3d came along. It was also on the market for 9 months before Zen2 even launched.

I'm a big fan of AM4. I even sold a 9900k/Z390 to move to a 3900x/x570 on Zen 2 launch day because I liked that AMD was innovating and wanted to support them with my business. It wasn't a huge sacrifice since I sold the 9900k/z390 for more than I paid for them, but the 3900x was still a downgrade for gaming. AM4 is a legendary platform but the 9900k was the best consumer desktop CPU for 9 months, the best gaming CPU for 2 years, and holds its own with vanilla Zen 3 in gaming.

 

[DrMrLordX]

the best gaming CPU for 2 years

Eh. No, it really wasn't. The 10900k was a better gaming CPU (despite being power hungry) and so was the 11900k (despite also being power hungry), and most of the old 5950X reviews I can pull up show it beating or matching the 10900k . Unless you check somebody like TPU that has the 9900ks and 10900k winning @ 720p by a narrow margin.

I mean yeah the 10900k did come out, what, 18 months after the 9900k? So that's kinda close to two years.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The DIYers that bought the 9900K series were predominantly bleeding edge types. They overclock, use expensive cooling, and move on to the next best thing when it comes out. Hardly simpletons by any metric.

But yeah, 9 series does not hold up against the 5000 series. And the 3D version absolutely starches it as Steve demonstrates. Would have enjoyed seeing the 5600X3D on the charts just for giggles.

As I have pointed out; there is a reason AMD has 70% share in the TPU poll. And why almost as many respondents are using AM4&5 Zen 3D, as all Intel CPUs combined. I.E. Most of us are building gaming PCs. AM4 is 7yrs old in February. The competition was the 7700K. The platform still being relevant after all these years? It's nuts if you think about it. And for anyone that doesn't think it is still relevant, pay attention to Zen 3 sales. Particularly come Black Friday through the rest of the holiday deals. Still consistently dominating the top 10 on Amazon too. Doesn't get more relevant than that.

I will close with a joke. To keep up with AM4 on Intel, you had to change boards and CPUs more often than a hobo changes underwear.

 

[Rigg]

Eh. No, it really wasn't. The 10900k was a better gaming CPU (despite being power hungry) and so was the 11900k (despite also being power hungry), and most of the old 5950X reviews I can pull up show it beating or matching the 10900k . Unless you check somebody like TPU that has the 9900ks and 10900k winning @ 720p by a narrow margin.

I mean yeah the 10900k did come out, what, 18 months after the 9900k? So that's kinda close to two years.

That's pretty nitpicky. I'll grant you that 18 months would have been more accurate but for all intents and purposes the 9900k was the best gaming CPU for 2 years until Zen 3 launched. The 10900k brought a minuscule gaming improvement over the 9900k.11900k was a turd, and came out more than 2 years after the 9900k.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That's pretty nitpicky. I'll grant you that 18 months would have been more accurate but for all intents and purposes the 9900k was the best gaming CPU for 2 years until Zen 3 launched. The 10900k brought a minuscule gaming improvement over the 9900k.11900k was a turd, and came out more than 2 years after the 9900k.

If I had really wanted to argue I could just drop a few 5950X reviews showing that the 9900k doesn't hold its own with Zen3 etc. so whateva mang. Bottom line is, the 9900k pretty much dumpstered Pinnacle Ridge in performance but beyond that it took a back seat to better CPUs, including one of Intel's own (despite it not being much more than a 9900k with two extra cores).

 

[Rigg]

the 9900k doesn't hold its own with Zen3

I checked some more recent CPU reviews that used a 4090. Your right. The 10700k isn't holding its own against Zen 3 so either would the 9900k. Much more of a gap then I thought.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I checked some more recent CPU reviews that used a 4090. Your right. The 10700k isn't holding its own against Zen 3 so either would the 9900k. Much more of a gap then I thought.

It varies from title to title and even between reviewers. TPU has some results that are more-favorable to Intel:

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Review

Ryzen 9 5950X is AMD's flagship 16-core, 32-thread monster. It offers outstanding application performance, your productivity tasks will complete faster than before. Thanks to the Zen 3 IPC advantage, it also excels in gaming, even winning against Intel's Core i9-10900K.

www.techpowerup.com

But they're a bit of an outlier.

 

[igor_kavinski]

More V-cache options for the budget builders: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rea...and-6-core-ryzen-5-5500x3d-with-96mb-l3-cache

 

[DAPUNISHER]

More V-cache options for the budget builders: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rea...and-6-core-ryzen-5-5500x3d-with-96mb-l3-cache

Releasing new CPUs for AM4's 7th anniversary in February would be a serious flex. Lisa Su on stage muttering "Dead socket my butt". These have to be widely available and in good supply of course. The 5600X3D was a case of everyone going

Then promptly returning to the regularly scheduled programming because the vast majority of us don't have access to it. Zen 3 at $200ish and under have dominated sales. A 6 3D core at $199 that anyone can buy would own that market.

 

[Abwx]

-I don't think that's fair. AM4, in retrospect, has been an incredible socket/platform. One of the best, if not THE best.

But there was absolutely no guarantee of that at the time it launches and even when the 9900k was released the AMD equivalent 3700x wasnt close.

AMD really hit it out of the park with Zen3 and turned that into a grand slam with the x3d models, but I don't think anyone here would have bet cold hard cash on that reality at the time the 9900k released.

From the top of the line Zen 1 1800X to the 5950X the ST/MT improvement is 1.69x/2.72x, the APU comparison is no slouch as well, from the 2400G to the 5700G ST/MT is 1.49x/2.87x, and all this within the same respective TDPs or so, i dont think there was in CPU history a plateform that had such upgradibility and evolutivity...

 

[Ranulf]

Exactly, as I just said in the other thread... is this new 5500 etc. going to be a Microcenter exclusive? Depending on price that 5700x3D might be interesting to me to replace the 3700x or older cpus I have.

 

[SteinFG]

With the leaked clocks, I suspect it's only for system integrators to put "X3D" in their spec