AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

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mohit9206

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Exactly!, The class leading igp is just a brucey bonus, slap a 1050ti on there and buy cheap ram instead.
AMD gives you a choice.
Cheap ram? That's something i haven't of in a long while.
And the price difference of the APU and board means having an SSD...
SSD is still a luxury only reserved for mid range and hi end pcs. Better to invest the extra money in bigger capacity hdd or faster gpu.

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By AMDs own OC numbers. More reasonable 3200 MHz RAM + OC, yielded about 23% improvement.

18-22 FPS + 23% = 22-27 fps at LOW. That is NOT just fine.

Are you kidding me?
I can hardly imagine you really could think that the only advantage of 2200G over 2500U is support of faster RAM.
What about TDP/clocks?
2500U is usually set on 15W, even at 25W it have much less room for CPU/GPU clocks than 2200G at 65W.
Simple example: base clock of 2500U is 2.0 GHz when 2200G have 3.5 GHz - 75 percent higher clock seems to me an serious advantage, isn't?
Of course you would see also siginificantly higher GPU clock.

Btw, I presume that 2200G easily achieve over 30 (probably close to 40) fps in Witcher3 in 1080p at low settings.

Considering this is a long waited upgrade to the mobile line featuring the best top of the line cpu and igp tech and is struggling to run a 3 years old game at 720p? yes its bad. If tdp is the problem they should have set the bar a little bit higher. BUT for me the IGP is the problem there, as even the dreadfull Athlon 5150 AM1 cpus can run W3 if paired with a 750TI.
If not bad its at least dissapointing.

Just another proof of technical ignorance.
IGPs of 2200G/2400G are really strong, however they are seriously limited by memory bandwith.
Even if you use DDR4-3200, effectively you have less than 50 GB/s shared between CPU and GPU when low-end graphics cards usually 100 GB/s or even more alone.
Probably the only real solution is cheaper/economical variation of HBM2 but this will not happen in 2018 and maybe we see something like that at the end of next year or beginning of 2020.
 

PeterScott

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Btw, I presume that 2200G easily achieve over 30 (probably close to 40) fps in Witcher3 in 1080p at low settings.

I am betting your presumption will be wrong, because:


IGPs of 2200G/2400G are really strong, however they are seriously limited by memory bandwith.
Even if you use DDR4-3200, effectively you have less than 50 GB/s shared between CPU and GPU when low-end graphics cards usually 100 GB/s or even more alone.
 

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@PeterScott

You are completely wrong about it.
I am gonna say this :
2500U <<< A12 9800

A12 9800 stock x1.5 = r5 2400g stock

r5 2400G with ddr4 and ~1550 oc scores around r7 2600x or just above rx 550
 
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PeterScott

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Nice trolling attempt, just because IGPs of Raven Ridge (especially 2400G) are memory bandwith limited in comparison to low-end GPUs, it doesn't mean they cannot perform at certain level.

It's not trolling. RX550 has similar CU count, but 112 GB/S bandwidth, so the APU is seriously starved for BW.

We will see how well it performs when people get their hands on them, but I am not expecting much for games like Witcher 3.
 

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Are you kidding me?
Just another proof of technical ignorance.
IGPs of 2200G/2400G are really strong, however they are seriously limited by memory bandwith.
Even if you use DDR4-3200, effectively you have less than 50 GB/s shared between CPU and GPU when low-end graphics cards usually 100 GB/s or even more alone.
Probably the only real solution is cheaper/economical variation of HBM2 but this will not happen in 2018 and maybe we see something like that at the end of next year or beginning of 2020.

Again i was not the one to mention TDP at all, i know about the memory issue. Then again, the desktop variant its not going to be very different bandwidth wise.


@PeterScott

You are completely wrong about it.
I am gonna say this :
2500U <<< A12 9800

A12 9800 stock x1.5 = r5 2400g stock

r5 2400G with ddr4 and ~1550 oc scores around r7 2600x or just above rx 550

score of what? Should be not suprise AT ALL that 2400G igp to get higher scores on syntetic benches than a RX550. Its 8CU vs 11 CU after all, i guess ROP/TMU is higher as well, but the RX550 has 112.0 GB/s, the 2400G has 38.4Gb with DDR4-2400 and 51.2Gb/s with DDR4-3200. Shared with the cpu cores. They really have a better chance of caching the GT1030 with those numbers.

But i need to remind you of the importance of GDDR5? Check this: A12-9800 vs a crappy R7 250 non-X with GDDR5 (6CU, 73.60 GB/s)
https://wccftech.com/amd-a12-9800-performance-tested-against-r7-250-dgpu-video/

And seriusly, a 2400G with DDR4-3200 or more, ram is just crazy, just get a 1050 and a crappy 8GB ram stick on wharever you like, a 2200G, a A8-9600, R3 1200, G4560, I3-8100 when H310 launches, wharever. I already showed what the best case scenario looks like, and the 1050 just wipe with floor with it.
 
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Integrated gpu is not for AAA gaming at FHD. Being the learned people that you all are, I'm sure you understand it. There's a whole world out there who don't play AAA games. This chips integrated gpu is for them. And when you get more gpu power for less money, many people will take it.
 

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Igp is not there to play AAA games on high resolution, this should be clear, but the fact 2400g could play AAA games at 720p HIGH/ultra is commendable, if you are short on cash it gives you options or a stop gap until a later date, either upgrade the processor or even just add a GPU later on, Ryzen APU gives you that choice, acceptable casual gaming or even some AAA gaming on low resolution.

With intel you have no choice, it's no AAA games or fork out for a GPU.
..oh yes 2400g will easily play Witcher 3 1080p low, probably would be playable with 1080p medium/mix...
 

french toast

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If you are buying a dGPU anyway, what real benefit is a more powerful APU/IGP?

It looks like a total tossup with an i3-8100 if you are running a dGPU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnADhTqytLE

IMO the only point of this part on desktop is if you are going run it without a dGPU.
There is no upgrade path with intel, you and others keep missing this point, if you want a cheap gaming setup and plan on selling it to buy/build a new one down the road then yes you have a point, it's a toss up, 2200g Vs 8100?..I would think 8100 is much faster in gaming...(more expensive, though no overclocking).
2400g has 4/8 threads, overclocking out of the box, upgrade path for future 7nm generations..even if you plan on getting a GPU...2400g still makes a compelling choice @169$ even against 8400 imo, even if it is not cut and dry.

Like i said earlier, with AMD you at least get an option to buy gpu later and get respectable gaming to tied you over, with intel crap igpu you don't...it's 600p low gaming for you.
 

french toast

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When people say u could get the 2200G and later get a dgpu down the road, that's assuming the person is ok waiting to get a dgpu later and in the meantime bear with the weak integrated graphics. If the person is ok with that then 2200G makes the most sense over the G4560.
However if the person just cannot wait and must have decent gaming performance right away, then the G4560+1050 combo cannot be beat.
It's all just a question of can you wait a few months for a better gpu or not?
Also even if the person cannot wait and ends up getting g4560+1050, its not like he will have to stick with g4560 for his entire life. Couple of years down, one could always upgrade to any kaby like i5/i7. It's not like kaby Lake cpu will disappear from the used market anytime soon.
Personally i have just about enough money to afford a 2200G and 1050ti right off the bat so I'll have great gaming performance straight away.

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You are correct, G4560 /1050 combo makes a compelling choice for the here and now, with some room for upgrade.
I would like to see how an overclocked 2200g /1050 compares to g4560/1050 in a gaming/productivity shootout, I bet it is close.

2200g is more expensive, BUT offers better options for the future and better all-round performance when overclocked..(gaming remains to be seen).

What this means is we have choice and competition...this time last year there was no choice.
 

IRobot23

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Of course iGPU is not enough for most users.

Some won't even need it.

Anyway, if you are buying something to play most of esport games in FHD then APU will do just fine.
 
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Choice is the key work. For many, Bulldozer derivatives were a no go. On the other hand, zen is a very attractive option.
 
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Of course iGPU is not enough for most users.

Some won't even need it.

Anyway, if you are buying something to play most of esport games in FHD then APU will do just fine.
And multimedia. I do plan an FHD set up for Raven Ridge.
 

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Personally, I'm looking at a low profile case, a small motherboard, an R5 2200G, and an Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB Low Profile (or if MSI will ever fill the channel with their 4GB RX560, that instead). I'm intending on using just compatible DDR4-2400 RAM just to keep costs down.
 

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I would like to see how an overclocked 2200g /1050 compares to g4560/1050 in a gaming/productivity shootout, I bet it is close.

2200g is more expensive, BUT offers better options for the future and better all-round performance when overclocked..(gaming remains to be seen).
You're probably serious about this, so I'll respond in kind: up until RX 580 level of performance there won't be any measurable differences between R3 2200G and G4560 in current titles.

Overclocking the 2200G will make zero difference with any budget video card, but when paired with a future, more expensive/powerful card, will bring a healthy lead over the G4560. Productivity performance will be overwhelmingly in favor of the AMD product.

Links to Hardware Unboxed tests to see performance levels
https://youtu.be/dFwiDlmp1hg?t=98
https://youtu.be/fITuIeLOUcQ?t=76
 

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You're probably serious about this, so I'll respond in kind: up until RX 580 level of performance there won't be any measurable differences between R3 2200G and G4560 in current titles.

Overclocking the 2200G will make zero difference with any budget video card, but when paired with a future, more expensive/powerful card, will bring a healthy lead over the G4560. Productivity performance will be overwhelmingly in favor of the AMD product.

Links to Hardware Unboxed tests to see performance levels
https://youtu.be/dFwiDlmp1hg?t=98
https://youtu.be/fITuIeLOUcQ?t=76
Cheers, what I meant by that is Ryzen APU uses new boost algorithms and also has less cache 4mb?...so it is not directly comparable to current 4 core Ryzen CPUs, I'm not sure what effect that would have.
But as you have shown games are more GPU bound than I thought at 1080p, with a gtx 1050 the difference is going to be minimal.

But it does reinforce the future proofing of Ryzen 2200g Vs g4560 if you wanted to upgrade the GPU.
It's a toss up, but I would rather go for the 2200g over the g4560..others may vary.
 

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Also with the G4560, you're stuck with a 200 series motherboard, so with the most natural upgrade path, which would be the Skylake or Kaby Lake i5s, you'll have to look into the used market. Depending on which part of the world you live in, that route may or may not be viable.

The situation would have been very different if the 300 series boards had support for these older Lake chips, then the G4560->i3 8100(or even the 8350K) would have been a much more direct upgrade path.
 
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IF it has 16 ROPs, im expecting 2200G with the iGPU at 1500-1600MHz and 3600MHz memory to match RX550 performance or be faster in some newer games (DX-12/Vulkan) .

That means
BF1 (Single Player) @ 1080p Low = ~60fps (Avg)
Overwatch @ 1080p High = >60fps (Avg)
Rocket league @ 1080p High = > 60fps (Avg)
DOTA 2 @ 1080p High = ~ 60fps (Avg)
Quake Champions @ 1080p Medium = ~ 60fps (Avg)
Witcher 3 @ 1080p Low = 30fps (Avg)

Add a cheap 22-24" FreeSync monitor and this is one of a hell cheap entry level gaming system with tons of features and upgradability path.
 

coercitiv

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Cheers, what I meant by that is Ryzen APU uses new boost algorithms and also has less cache 4mb?...so it is not directly comparable to current 4 core Ryzen CPUs, I'm not sure what effect that would have.
There's too much in favor of the 2200G to not compensate for the drop in cache size. The 2200G will be considerably higher clocked than R3 1200 (better boost or not, the base clocks speak for themselves), while the G4560 will suffer a performance penalty due to recent security patches. Expect 3-5% drop in gaming performance unless newer developments mitigate the loss or introduce similar penalties for Ryzen. Also, no more inter-CCX penalties.

So, in budget gaming it will be a toss-up as you said, but I expect the 2200G to win the productivity battle, it simply has too much going for it compared to G4560.
 

AtenRa

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2200G directly competes against Core i3 8100 and not Pentium G4560/4600 etc.

80-90% of EOM systems (SFF, USFF from HP, Lenovo etc) are shipping with iGPUs only. For home/Office use those two CPUs are directly competitive.
Until the 2C 4T + 3CU Ryzen SKUs release, Pentium has no real competition (unless you take Bristol Ridge 9600/9700).

Also to add that both 2200G and 2400G are direct competitors against Intels NUC based systems.
 

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Nobody spotted that going from 2400 MHz RAM to 3200 MHz brought 10% increase in performance, for 33% increase in memory bandwidth?

It may very well be the sweet spot for the performance/price.