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AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

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exquisitechar

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Wow, it is faster than intel igpu. What a shock. It probably is still slower than my ancient low end system with a SB i5 and a HD7770. Not to mention 7 out of the 28 games fall below what is generally considered unplayable, including some very popular older games like W3 and ROTR, as well as Fallout 3 which I did not include as unplayable, but would be a very bad experience with a 19 FPS min.
I don't know if it's a "shock" for you or not, but it's a fact that these APUs bring competitive CPU performance and GPU performance that just blows Intel's (that is, the only option we've had for years) out of the water. A bunch of games that are unplayable on Intel's offerings can now be run with perfectly acceptable and even outright good performance, not to mention other applications. Having that sort of acceptable GPU performance paired with a decent CPU for a low price is perfect for a lot of people, the fact that it struggles with fairly demanding games at 1080p or that it doesn't beat old low end GPUs is irrelevant.

Yeah, some people were hoping for more and, honestly, should have had more realistic expectations, but this is undeniably an excellent, irreplaceable product for its price bracket.
 

USER8000

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Yeah gaming performance of Vega 11 is very competitive with GT 1030 and more consistent. In fact Vega 11 seems to handle games with demanding VRAM requirements like Hitman quite well whereas GT 1030 just crumbles in such scenarios.

https://techreport.com/review/33235/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-and-ryzen-5-2400g-processors-reviewed/7
So first the GT1030 and a Intel chip would be 10x better,now its not so clear cut,lets shift to the GTX1050.

In the UK the GTX1050 costs £110.

The 2200G looks great value for money.
 

The Stilt

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So what's the reason for using TIM? Different temperature gradients on the GPU and CPU parts of the die?
The cost.
Indium itself is rather expensive, but that's not the whole story.
Using sTIM instead of conventional TIM requires a significant amount of additional manufacturing phases.
Both the die itself and the heatspreader must be plated (various metal layers for the silicon and gold for the heatspreader).
 

Qwertilot

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What is shocking for me however is the power consumption of 2400G. Its not the most efficient chip in the world...
The AT review appears to implicate both the infinity fabric - more overhead vs Intel - and them pushing the clocks slightly for that? Actually, why did they do that?! Core only power draw for the R5 1400 is 24.66w, 43.10w for the 2400G.

Surely that's not really sensible? It'd be good to see power draw measured when gaming as well because that's obviously important for notebooks & discrete vega has horrible power efficiency.
 
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LTC8K6

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I stuck with the 1050 for my budget comparison system because AMD slides had the 2400G tied with a 1030, and I figured AMD had sandbagged a little.
 

tamz_msc

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The AT review appears to implicate both the infinity fabric - more overhead vs Intel - and them pushing the clocks slightly for that? Actually, why did they do that?! Core only power draw for the R5 1400 is 24.66w, 43.10w for the 2400G.

Surely that's not really sensible? It'd be good to see power draw measured when gaming as well because that's obviously important for notebooks & discrete vega has horrible power efficiency.
I think higher operating temps causing leakage could add to the power consumption figures.
 

Bouowmx

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Quick maths (in USD):

Integrated GPU:
  • AMD B350 motherboard: ~60
  • AMD Ryzen 3 2200G: 100
  • 2x8 GB DDR4-3200: ~190 (CL 16), ~220 (CL 14)
  • Total: 350-380
Dedicated GPU:
  • AMD B350 motherboard: ~60
  • AMD Ryzen 3 2200G: 100
  • 1x8 GB DDR4-2666: ~90 for CL 15
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050: ~110 (standard), ~150 (current, inflated pricing)
  • Total: 400, gives 2x gaming performance
 

Glo.

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Quick maths (in USD):

Integrated GPU:
  • AMD B350 motherboard: ~60
  • AMD Ryzen 3 2200G: 100
  • 2x8 GB DDR4-3200: ~190 (CL 16), ~220 (CL 14)
  • Total: 350-380
Dedicated GPU:
  • AMD B350 motherboard: ~60
  • AMD Ryzen 3 2200G: 100
  • 1x8 GB DDR4-2666: ~90 for CL 15
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050: ~110 (standard), ~150 (current, inflated pricing)
  • Total: 400, gives 2x gaming performance
Why do you use 16 GB setup for Ryzen build, but 8 GB for Ryzen+Nvidia?

Use 8 GB setup for Ryzen build, and then compare with Nvidia+Ryzen. In that scenario it will cost 90-100$ for Ryzen+Nvidia build.

Microcenter prices:
169$ 2400G
115$ Corsair Vengeance 3000 MHz 2x4GB RAM 3000 MHz CL15
Gigabyte A320MA - 49.99$
Total cost: 335$.

GTX 1050 159$
Ryzen 3 2200G 99$
MoBo 49.99$
Single Memory 1x8 GB KIngston 2666 MHz - 99.99$

Total cost - 410$.
 
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Shivansps

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Why do you use 16 GB setup for Ryzen build, but 8 GB for Ryzen+Nvidia?

Use 8 GB setup for Ryzen build, and then compare with Nvidia+Ryzen. In that scenario it will cost 90-100$ for Ryzen+Nvidia build.
Ryzen build has only 6gb of usable ram, under that scenario you can compare 8gb Ryzen to a 4gb nvidia build as well.

Im not home yet so i havent read the reviews but from what im reading here look like i was right all along.
 

Roger Wilco

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Any info on overclocking performance with the iGPU disabled? I know that's not the main purpose of these things, but it could give some early insight into the clockspeed headroom for Zen 2000?
 

Bouowmx

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Why do you use 16 GB setup for Ryzen build, but 8 GB for Ryzen+Nvidia?

Use 8 GB setup for Ryzen build, and then compare with Nvidia+Ryzen. In that scenario it will cost 90-100$ for Ryzen+Nvidia build.

Microcenter prices:
169$ 2400G
115$ Corsair Vengeance 3000 MHz 2x4GB RAM 3000 MHz CL15
Gigabyte A320MA - 49.99$
Total cost: 335$.

GTX 1050 159$
Ryzen 3 2200G 99$
MoBo 49.99$
Single Memory 1x8 GB KIngston 2666 MHz - 99.99$

Total cost - 410$.
Still, in such comparison, 1.22x cost for 1.7x gaming performance.
 

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I think it is rather interesting that R3 2200G + GT1030 (at MSRP) is the same price as the R5 2400G.

What happens when the Athlon x4 version of Raven Ridge gets released?
 
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Timorous

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You can basically OC the 2200G to 2400G it seems like.
Based on the Toms numbers the 2200G can almost equal the 2400G when both are OCd, although in their system the 2400G was @ 4.0Ghz with a 1.55Ghz GPU vs the 2200G @ 3.9Ghz with a 1.4Ghz GPU. Would not be surprised if the performance between the two at 4.0Ghz and 1.55Ghz was pretty much the same. This is was The Stilt said further up thread as well.
 

SPBHM

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2200G with IGP OC is quite good, the gains to the older AMD IGPs are pretty nice,
also the 2400G can really get close to the GT 1030/rx 550, which is good, still because of the price 2200G OC is clearly easier to justify.

the CPU itself, is nice, but the PCIE x8 and slight hit for gaming because of the l3 I guess is visible, still, first time the "APU" is almost as good as the regular AMD CPUs, and competitive with Intel.

very good launch I think, a shame about the DDR4 prices.
 

Bouowmx

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This or go used i5-2400 paired with gtx 1050ti?
"This" being AMD Ryzen 3 2200G? "This" being integrated GPU only?

Used Intel Sandy Bridge pre-built + dedicated GPU made sense in 2016-7, to ride out AMD-Intel core wars. Not sure if it does in 2018.
 

ao_ika_red

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I think it is rather interesting that R3 2200G + GT1030 (at MSRP) is the same price as the R5 2400G.

What happens when the Athlon x4 version of Raven Ridge gets released?
You're basically reading my mind. Well done.
 

SPBHM

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"This" being AMD Ryzen 3 2200G? "This" being integrated GPU only?

Used Intel Sandy Bridge pre-built + dedicated GPU made sense in 2016-7, to ride out AMD-Intel core wars. Not sure if it does in 2018.
1050 ti is massively faster than RX 550 which is a little faster than the 2400G with fast ram, so no contest really, old i5 is enough for most games anyway.
 

coercitiv

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And that's not correct?
You may want to watch this video. Memory requirements increase with resolution and graphical detail and 16GB is likely to be required only when discussing the GTX 1060 3GB at detail settings which entry level GPU cannot hope to sustain.

As for the size of the reserved memory size in the case of Raven Ridge:
AMD gives you the option to select the memory size for integrated graphics in BIOS; we tested 512 MB, 1 GB and 2 GB. The memory size you select here is permanently allocated to the graphics card, which means it will be "missing" from system RAM. While some games show small performance improvements going from 512 MB to 2 GB, I don't think it's worth the loss in usable memory, given today's RAM prices. Intel's integrated graphics do better here, requiring just a small fixed memory portion, with the ability to dynamically allocate system RAM for graphics when gaming, keeping that same memory available for applications during productivity work.
 

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