AMD Readies FX-8370, FX-8370E Microprocessors.

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WhoBeDaPlaya

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That's not really much of an upgrade, there wasn't that much of a difference when I went from 1090T to 8320. Stick with what you got until AMD releases a new socket (if at all), unless you feel like burning a hole in the pocket with $189.
Assuming you don't want to OC (like in the case of my fileservers and folks' systems), an FX8320 is a noticeable upgrade over a 1045t.

Hell, with the Microcenter pricing, I come out ahead by ~$15 after dumping all my old 1045t + mobos.
 

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As i have already said, best product is 8320E, OC to 4.1GHz turbo off and still have 95W TDP at only $140.

I think this statement could apply to all CPU products. But 8370e would have lot more underclock and undervoltage headroom than 8320e.
If you underclock 8370e to 8320e level, 8370e always would have lower voltage that keeping stable, thus lower consumption.

Also, high clock SKUs have more overclock potencial. This is already a common sense.

But yeah 8320e is a nice SKU for who beg for perf/$.
 
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Idontcare

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You are seriously abusing the term "TDP"

TDP is an arbitrary categorization for the purposes of binning and OEM cooling considerations. So I think he is safe in his specific invocation of TDP.

However, his invocation of the "same power consumption" phrase is in err. But it is only in err in the pedantic and overly technical sense.

Yes, no two chips will have identical misalignment between metal levels, no two chips will have identical dopant fluctuations such that they have identical capacitance and drive currents for the same operating voltage, etc.

But by and large, at the same frequency, voltage, and temperature; two otherwise identical IC's will exhibit essentially identical power consumption whilst processing an identical sequence of instructions (the same software and user profile).

One IC might use 63W, while another might another might use 66W, but the distribution is going to end up being rather tight with maybe a +/- 5% spread. Just the nature of the limited process variation in the underlying process technology these days.
 

DominionSeraph

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If my source is right (see below), then the difference is that the 125 watt FX-8370 is 4.1GHz/4.3 GHz (Turbo), but the 95 w TDP FX-8370E is a 3.3GHz/4.3 GHz (Turbo) part.

This makes more sense. At 3.5GHz the FX-6300 is 95W while the FX-8320 is 125W. At 3.9GHz six cores jumps to 125W. The claim that they got eight cores at 4.1GHz at 95W when it's a 220W part at 4.4GHz strained credulity more than a bit.

Knock 200MHz off the 8320's clocks and there's your 95W part.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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TDP is an arbitrary categorization for the purposes of binning and OEM cooling considerations. So I think he is safe in his specific invocation of TDP.

However, his invocation of the "same power consumption" phrase is in err. But it is only in err in the pedantic and overly technical sense.

Yes, no two chips will have identical misalignment between metal levels, no two chips will have identical dopant fluctuations such that they have identical capacitance and drive currents for the same operating voltage, etc.

But by and large, at the same frequency, voltage, and temperature; two otherwise identical IC's will exhibit essentially identical power consumption whilst processing an identical sequence of instructions (the same software and user profile).

One IC might use 63W, while another might another might use 66W, but the distribution is going to end up being rather tight with maybe a +/- 5% spread. Just the nature of the limited process variation in the underlying process technology these days.

Can I check my understanding here ?

You seem to be effectively saying that the (all prices and cpus made up, to illustrate concept)..
$49 2.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$99 3 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$199 3.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$399 3.9 GHz 8 core 95W TDP

Assuming all the above cpus are the same process, and fully unlocked/overclocking enabled

If thoroughly tested, nearly all the above devices in practice would achieve approximately 3.9 GHz at 95 W (TDP) measured power consumption under high load on all 8 cores, with maybe only a 5% variation, due to the qualities of modern chip manufacturing ?

i.e. The above table of price/performance/power consumption variation between parts, is mainly market segmentation, and the chips are nearly identical ?

In other words, they want to sell the same device for $49 (for Cheapskates) and up to $999 (for overly Rich clients) as well.

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I thought that IC manufacturing produced the best chips in the centre of the wafer (as it has the best, most accurate focus in the centre), and as you move away from the centre the transistors are not as accurately made (their features are more blurry, and that worsens their performance, considerably).

Also I thought that the cheaper parts were partially damaged by defects (yield issues), which had lowered the max frequency and/or dramatically increased the power consumption, but was not a bad enough fault to make the device unusable.

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I do remember in the old days of the £50 Celeron 300A, 366 MHz, that they could be overclocked to about 450 to 500+ MHz, because they were almost identical dies to the £450 Pentium 500 MHz (approx). With minimal variation because Intel had their processes so well under control in those days, that almost all the chips, could perform at high frequencies (of the day).

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Anyway SORRY! if my previous posts in this thread, misunderstood the extent that bin sorting was being used, as opposed to market segmentation.

I will be delighted to be wrong here (in my previous posts in this thread), because it means that I can buy $350 cpus for $125 (prices made up, to show concept), with just a 5% loss in performance/efficiency, most of the time.
 
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SOFTengCOMPelec

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This makes more sense. At 3.5GHz the FX-6300 is 95W while the FX-8320 is 125W. At 3.9GHz six cores jumps to 125W. The claim that they got eight cores at 4.1GHz at 95W when it's a 220W part at 4.4GHz strained credulity more than a bit.

Knock 200MHz off the 8320's clocks and there's your 95W part.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I have got a FX-6300 95W, and the 95W was explained by the fact that it is 3.5 GHz, rather than (3.9)4 GHz. Because there is a faster frequency FX 6 core (FX-6350), but it is rated at 125 W TDP.
 
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DrMrLordX

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This makes more sense. At 3.5GHz the FX-6300 is 95W while the FX-8320 is 125W. At 3.9GHz six cores jumps to 125W. The claim that they got eight cores at 4.1GHz at 95W when it's a 220W part at 4.4GHz strained credulity more than a bit.

Knock 200MHz off the 8320's clocks and there's your 95W part.

Exactly.

The 8320 and 8320E are probably not identical, nor are any two 8320s or 8320Es identical to one another. However, as a part of the binning process, they are generally capable of maintaining X clockspeed at Y voltage with Z power consumption, and those variables will track upwards or downwards with respect to one another according to the same general trends.

In other words, the 8320 and 8320E are binned the same (if what is being said earlier in this thread is true).

The only thing you are buying with the 8320E is different turbo and throttling behavior. That's it. Disable turbo and CnQ and, silicon lottery aside, you've got the same chip as the 8320. The 95W TDP is effectively meaningless once you have moved the chip to 4.1 ghz with turbo/CnQ disabled.

In all probability, the 8320E will require more voltage than the 8370E to reach a higher clockspeed due to its inferior binning. It will also require the same voltage as the 8320 to reach 4.1 ghz, turbo disabled, in all probability.
 

Idontcare

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Can I check my understanding here ?

You seem to be effectively saying that the (all prices and cpus made up, to illustrate concept)..
$49 2.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$99 3 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$199 3.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$399 3.9 GHz 8 core 95W TDP

Assuming all the above cpus are the same process, and fully unlocked/overclocking enabled

If thoroughly tested, nearly all the above devices in practice would achieve approximately 3.9 GHz at 95 W (TDP) measured power consumption under high load on all 8 cores, with maybe only a 5% variation, due to the qualities of modern chip manufacturing ?

i.e. The above table of price/performance/power consumption variation between parts, is mainly market segmentation, and the chips are nearly identical ?

In other words, they want to sell the same device for $49 (for Cheapskates) and up to $999 (for overly Rich clients) as well.

Yes and no. It can happen that way, but only with a very mature process node which has had its functional and parametric yields optimized to a tight(er) distribution. Which in general is where all process nodes end up once they have been in the hands of the fab engineers for 6-8 quarters, if not sooner.

It is a matter of functional yield and parametric yield. You need both to be high in order for the scenario you spelled out above to become a practical option for sales and marketing management.

But if either is lacking, the fab is dealing with poor functional yields or poor parametric yields (or both), then the scenario you outline above is not going to even be an option for the business. They will simply be struggling to die harvest and bin out anything and everything they can to, and binning will represent more of an electrical reality than an artificial marketing segmentation.

For new products on a new process node, I would not expect a $49 2.5GHz 8core to OC to 3.9GHz and match the top-end SKU unless the parametric yield distribution within the fab is quite tight, such that basically most CPUs could bin-out at 3.9GHz but the company elects to label/sell them for much lower clockspeeds.

But I would expect that to play out if the node in question has been in production for say 2yrs or so.

I thought that IC manufacturing produced the best chips in the centre of the wafer (as it has the best, most accurate focus in the centre), and as you move away from the centre the transistors are not as accurately made (their features are more blurry, and that worsens their performance, considerably).

Center to edge yield distributions are not really that way any more.

Process engineers intentionally optimize the sweet spots so as to yield the most chips per wafer as possible, that means (if anything) making the center a dead zone and killing the few chips located there if in return they can can convert the edge chips into high yielding chips.

Some 10yrs ago, back when fabs were still in the earlier stages of coming to terms with scaling their 200mm process nodes onto 300mm wafers, it was true that the center area (that 200mm footprint) would have far better yields than the outer edge (the 100mm perimeter doughnut).

But that really was a transitional period, a learning curve for process engineers and tool suppliers, that was overcame within the first couple of nodes that were on 300mm (back in the 130nm and 90nm days).

Nowadays if you end up with an bulls-eye yield pattern on your wafer it is a telltale sign that one of your tools is operating out of spec and you better get on top of it. In other words it is the undesired excursion, not the norm.

Also I thought that the cheaper parts were partially damaged by defects (yield issues), which had lowered the max frequency and/or dramatically increased the power consumption, but was not a bad enough fault to make the device unusable.

If your functional yield is so bad that it is impacting the parametric yield then your process node is truly not manufacturable. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it is a huge red flag that you have built something (process node wise) that is going to have serious troubles for everyone involved.

Generally speaking, functional yield issues (particles, defects, flakes, missing pattern, blocked etch, etc.) result in die harvesting. Blocking off dead cores, or eliminating redundant memory cells (2MB L3$ instead of 3MB, for example).

That is true and everyone does it, has done it for decades.

However, generally speaking, your parametric yield issues (speed bins, power-consumption, shmoo plot, etc) come down to process variation and process targets. And that means process control (accuracy and precision).

A chip that is clockspeed limited or power-consumption limited because of a physical defect (functional yield issue) is a chip that is going to be a HUGE in-field reliability nightmare.

No company I know of sells those in the logic industry, but they do sell those "walking wounded" chips in the memory business where "IC grade" comes into play. (think dirt-cheap thumbdrives that rarely work, even the first time)

But your Intel's and Samsung's of the SoC world do not want to ship chips that are excursions and fall outside the distribution that was characterized for lifetime reliability attributes. Better to scrap them and not risk the liability.

(this is where the practice of core-unlocking with AMD die-harvested chips is particularly disconcerting, but ignorance is bliss so why be a debbie downer and spoil the party? :p)
 

Abwx

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TDP is an arbitrary categorization for the purposes of binning and OEM cooling considerations. So I think he is safe in his specific invocation of TDP.

However, his invocation of the "same power consumption" phrase is in err. But it is only in err in the pedantic and overly technical sense.

Yes, no two chips will have identical misalignment between metal levels, no two chips will have identical dopant fluctuations such that they have identical capacitance and drive currents for the same operating voltage, etc.

But by and large, at the same frequency, voltage, and temperature; two otherwise identical IC's will exhibit essentially identical power consumption whilst processing an identical sequence of instructions (the same software and user profile).

One IC might use 63W, while another might another might use 66W, but the distribution is going to end up being rather tight with maybe a +/- 5% spread. Just the nature of the limited process variation in the underlying process technology these days.

Agree on the whole but i would put the dispersion at more than a 10% total, even with mature processes.

Extracted electrical parameters are within 5% dispersion, more is not needed because manufacturing processes variations exceed this rate.
 

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The 8370E has piqued my interest. If a new chipset comes out with it, and the wattage is decent. I might just upgrade from my PhII 955, and make it a linux box. :)

But I am having my reservations, and expectations are just so-so.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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Yes and no. It can happen that way, but only with a very mature process node which has had its functional and parametric yields optimized to a tight(er) distribution. Which in general is where all process nodes end up once they have been in the hands of the fab engineers for 6-8 quarters, if not sooner.

It is a matter of functional yield and parametric yield. You need both to be high in order for the scenario you spelled out above to become a practical option for sales and marketing management.

But if either is lacking, the fab is dealing with poor functional yields or poor parametric yields (or both), then the scenario you outline above is not going to even be an option for the business. They will simply be struggling to die harvest and bin out anything and everything they can to, and binning will represent more of an electrical reality than an artificial marketing segmentation.

For new products on a new process node, I would not expect a $49 2.5GHz 8core to OC to 3.9GHz and match the top-end SKU unless the parametric yield distribution within the fab is quite tight, such that basically most CPUs could bin-out at 3.9GHz but the company elects to label/sell them for much lower clockspeeds.

But I would expect that to play out if the node in question has been in production for say 2yrs or so.



Center to edge yield distributions are not really that way any more.

Process engineers intentionally optimize the sweet spots so as to yield the most chips per wafer as possible, that means (if anything) making the center a dead zone and killing the few chips located there if in return they can can convert the edge chips into high yielding chips.

Some 10yrs ago, back when fabs were still in the earlier stages of coming to terms with scaling their 200mm process nodes onto 300mm wafers, it was true that the center area (that 200mm footprint) would have far better yields than the outer edge (the 100mm perimeter doughnut).

But that really was a transitional period, a learning curve for process engineers and tool suppliers, that was overcame within the first couple of nodes that were on 300mm (back in the 130nm and 90nm days).

Nowadays if you end up with an bulls-eye yield pattern on your wafer it is a telltale sign that one of your tools is operating out of spec and you better get on top of it. In other words it is the undesired excursion, not the norm.



If your functional yield is so bad that it is impacting the parametric yield then your process node is truly not manufacturable. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it is a huge red flag that you have built something (process node wise) that is going to have serious troubles for everyone involved.

Generally speaking, functional yield issues (particles, defects, flakes, missing pattern, blocked etch, etc.) result in die harvesting. Blocking off dead cores, or eliminating redundant memory cells (2MB L3$ instead of 3MB, for example).

That is true and everyone does it, has done it for decades.

However, generally speaking, your parametric yield issues (speed bins, power-consumption, shmoo plot, etc) come down to process variation and process targets. And that means process control (accuracy and precision).

A chip that is clockspeed limited or power-consumption limited because of a physical defect (functional yield issue) is a chip that is going to be a HUGE in-field reliability nightmare.

No company I know of sells those in the logic industry, but they do sell those "walking wounded" chips in the memory business where "IC grade" comes into play. (think dirt-cheap thumbdrives that rarely work, even the first time)

But your Intel's and Samsung's of the SoC world do not want to ship chips that are excursions and fall outside the distribution that was characterized for lifetime reliability attributes. Better to scrap them and not risk the liability.

(this is where the practice of core-unlocking with AMD die-harvested chips is particularly disconcerting, but ignorance is bliss so why be a debbie downer and spoil the party? :p)

Thanks for such a wonderfully brilliant answer!

It has taught me a lot, and has answered a number of cpu related questions, I had in my mind, but were unanswered.

For example, I could not understand how it might be possible to make server chips, which are very reliable, and can be operated 24/7 for many, many years (or longer), with little/no reliability or miscomputation effects. But using the techniques (such as binning) you described, potentially highly reliable/stable/efficient cpus can be made. The shmoo plots (and other stuff) can be used to test/measure/choose (bin sort) the expensive server chips, even if other cpus made on the same process are sold off, as "cheap" ordinary cpus. (I know that Intel have special dies just for the upper end of the server market, e.g. Haswell-EX/EP/(Consumer Socket 2011), but lower end xeons are the same dies as ordinary cpus, I believe).

I also now understand why "walking wounded" yield chips are NOT used as proper cpus, on reliability/durability grounds.

Thanks!

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Expected performance difference between 8370 and 8370E cpus (speculation on my part)

My best guess (after a fair amount of googling and reading) is that the 8370/8370E comes about by changing the TDP from 125 W down to 95 W, via a "software" like change on the cpu die.

i.e. it will be like the latest APU(s), with user (bios) adjustable TDP. Except the TDP setting is fixed at the factory.

Because the 8370 series is 8 core, but the top apus are 4 core, the TDP needs to roughly double.

65 W TDP APU setting is about 125 W (double)
45 W TDP APU setting is about 95 W (double)

Reading test/review(s) of the latest APUs (with adjustable TDP), the benchmarking tests show an approximate 10% to 15% performance drop (VERY approximate %s, as it varies with the test/benchmark a lot, I think), when the lower (45 W) TDP "mode" is selected.

I suspect the 8370/8370E will use a similar technique (but we will find out for sure, fairly soon, after the first test/reviews come out.

Main source of the APU review article, which helped me come to these conclusions
 
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inf64

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I hope you understand both SKUs have base clock speed of 4.1Ghz which is guaranteed speed. Both also feature 4.3Ghz Turbo boost which is ~4.8% difference from base. So even if 8370E doesn't hit turbo at all it will be at worst ~4.8% slower or at best not slower at all (since regular 8370 won't be hitting the boost clock all the time either).
 

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I hope you understand both SKUs have base clock speed of 4.1Ghz which is guaranteed speed. Both also feature 4.3Ghz Turbo boost which is ~4.8% difference from base. So even if 8370E doesn't hit turbo at all it will be at worst ~4.8% slower or at best not slower at all (since regular 8370 won't be hitting the boost clock all the time either).

Not quite. Some of the kaveri APU's throttle below base clock under heavy load.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/915-4/turbo-ctdp.html
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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I hope you understand both SKUs have base clock speed of 4.1Ghz which is guaranteed speed. Both also feature 4.3Ghz Turbo boost which is ~4.8% difference from base. So even if 8370E doesn't hit turbo at all it will be at worst ~4.8% slower or at best not slower at all (since regular 8370 won't be hitting the boost clock all the time either).

My fingers are crossed, and I hope that it (8370E etc) can do 95 W TDP, at the same speed as the 8370. I'm not bothered if the turbo (timings etc) are less generous than the bigger TDP part, as long as the non-turbo mode is sustainable through highish load software tasks, on all 8 cores simultaneously (like the 8370 is expected to do), indefinitely without throttling.

Because the APUs have somewhat powerful IGPs built in (the FX series have no IGPs), this might give enough "saved" tdp compared to the FXs APU "cousins", to help them achieve just what you describe (while I keep wearing my keep me optimistic sunglasses).

My optimistic side hopes that process improvements, over a lot longer than idontcares 6 .. 8 quarter figure earlier in this thread, and the lack of an IGP will allow it to achieve this, without throttling (except turbo mode).

But my pessimistic side still worries that it might use the adjustable TDP apu method, to keep the TDP down to 95 W, even when just running non-turbo software tasks.

I'm not trying to agree or disagree with you here, I'm just trying to keep an open mind, as to what is going to come out of AMD on September the 1st 2014.

Part of me can't accept that the FX-8350 125 W part, can suddenly be re-released by AMD as an 8370E 95 W TDP part, at slightly higher frequency than the original FX-8350, without the process feature size being reduced and/or considerable price increases for that part (because of very high end binning).
 
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Abwx

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Not quite. Some of the kaveri APU's throttle below base clock under heavy load.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/915-4/turbo-ctdp.html

Very bad exemple but i guess that you looked at the charts without reading the article.

It doesnt trottle because it has reached its max TDP but because AMD actualy set the limit well below the official 95W figure.

From the article you linked :

A10-7850K et A10-7700K, APU annoncés comme 95 watts par AMD et qui se comportent cependant beaucoup plus comme l'APU A10-6700 65 watts
"A10-7850K et A10-7700K, APUs announced as 95W by AMD and wich behave more like the 65W A10 6700 APU"

They estimate that the 95W models actual TDP is only 2W higher than the 65W Richland model.

En mode CPU+GPU, la consommation totale de la plateforme est de seulement 99.4W
With CPU+GPU loaded the whole plateform power comsumption is 99.4W, that is, with a 95W TDP APU...
 
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Best I could get it to reliably was 3.5. This was a 1045T, not a 1090T.

you were probably hitting the bus-limit on the IMC or the RAM. Try a RAM frequency divider. Mine won't go past about 230mhz?, so I used the multiplier to go up to 260 or so.

What voltage were you giving for cores and the CPU-NB? for 6 cores you might need to bump the CPU-NB/L3 cache's voltage too. I believe all Thubans can hit 4Ghz.
 
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Very bad exemple but i guess that you looked at the charts without reading the article.

It doesnt trottle because it has reached its max TDP but because AMD actualy set the limit well below the official 95W figure.

From the article you linked :

"A10-7850K et A10-7700K, APUs announced as 95W by AMD and wich behave more like the 65W A10 6700 APU"

They estimate that the 95W models actual TDP is only 2W higher than the 65W Richland model.

With CPU+GPU loaded the whole plateform power comsumption is 99.4W, that is, with a 95W TDP APU...

Not sure what you are talking about.

The end result is that at the announced TDP, the processor lowers its frequency.

With all this in mind, it is quite surprising to see results A10-7850K and A10-7700K APU advertised as 95 watts AMD and yet behave much more like the APU A10-6700 65 watts. Here again drops below the announced base frequencies, and not a little: 3.0 GHz instead of 3.7 and 2.8 instead of 3.4. If the 7600 is also quite clear. In pure CPU load, you can see quite clearly the difference between setting 65 and 45 watts, even if there is an erosion of frequencies over test. As soon as the CPU against + GPU load is accumulated, one will fall in both cases at 2.4 GHz for the processor. Note also that the algorithm in Turbo 45 watts sometimes lowers the frequency of the GPU to give priority to the GPU frequency, what we see with these inverted peaks. At the end of the test, however, the GPU clock down too.

Cannot run base CPU clock + GPU on Luxmark CPU + GPU. End of story.
 

Abwx

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Not sure what you are talking about.

The end result is that at the announced TDP, the processor lowers its frequency.

That s exactly the contrary of what is written on the article, that is, the APU never reach 95W, it lower its frequency when TDP reach 67-70W...
 

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You cannot directly compare CPU and APU declared TDPs since APU have split power planes for iGPU and CPU cores while FX based on Piledriver has no onboard iGPU. We will see who is correct when benchmarks start coming in.
 

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No i have not, i have clearly distinguish it from Power consumption.

sorry, for some reason thought you were talking about talking an 8320E and overclocking to 8370 speeds and still getting under 95 watts. my mistake.
 

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That s exactly the contrary of what is written on the article, that is, the APU never reach 95W, it lower its frequency when TDP reach 67-70W...

None the less, it throttles below base clocks when running withing specification. D:
 

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Can I check my understanding here ?

You seem to be effectively saying that the (all prices and cpus made up, to illustrate concept)..
$49 2.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$99 3 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$199 3.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$399 3.9 GHz 8 core 95W TDP

Due what?? Is there really going to be a $49 dollar 8 core?? if this is true whats the name?? Any possibility of under clocking and under volting??
I will with out a doubt grab me one of these and set it to say 1.6-2.0Ghz and volt it as low as possible for a nice low power, power house server LOL. Whats the street date of the release for the $49 dollar one??
 

Abwx

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None the less, it throttles below base clocks when running withing specification. D:

It is capped at about 70-75W, it doesnt consume as much as its rated TDP, isnt it, but of course we know that Intel CPUs do not always consume their rated TDP when pushed, do you know why ?..

Because Intel choose to throttle the GPU instead of the CPU while AMD choice is to never throttle the GPU and rather cut the CPU frequency, Kaveri CPU throttling is only when both GPU and CPU are fully loaded.

That is, you would had known it had you read said hardware.fr article.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/915-4/turbo-ctdp.html
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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Can I check my understanding here ?

You seem to be effectively saying that the (all prices and cpus made up, to illustrate concept)..
$49 2.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$99 3 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$199 3.5 GHz 8 core 95W TDP
$399 3.9 GHz 8 core 95W TDP

Due what?? Is there really going to be a $49 dollar 8 core?? if this is true whats the name?? Any possibility of under clocking and under volting??
I will with out a doubt grab me one of these and set it to say 1.6-2.0Ghz and volt it as low as possible for a nice low power, power house server LOL. Whats the street date of the release for the $49 dollar one??

As bolded above, the cpus are FACTICIOUS, and don't exist.

It was just an example, so that I could ask questions about wafers/cpu quality vs prices, and other stuff. I needed to keep the $49 at 8 cores (in practice it would probably be 2 cores), so that the clock frequencies and TDP were for comparable parts.