AMD Raven Ridge 'Zen APU' Thread

[Qwertilot]

And unfortunately AMD don't have the spare R&D cash to go and produce a really fast halo IGP based chip for 'general' consumption.

 

[AtenRa]

Intel Laptop SKUs dont have a chance in 2017 against RR. The only thing left to see is the OEM Laptop implementations.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel Laptop SKUs dont have a chance in 2017 against RR. The only thing left to see is the OEM Laptop implementations.

IGP gaming is only one part of the market though really. I'm kind of curious as to what the 15W's turbo clock ends up being.

 

[AtenRa]

Also just a thought,

VEGA = Dual FP16 throughput
RavenRidge = VEGA iGPU
RavenRidge = Mainstream

Every RR Laptop/Desktop will put its user to the Artificial Neural Network age.

 

[AtenRa]

IGP gaming is only one part of the market though really. I'm kind of curious as to what the 15W's turbo clock ends up being.

Im not talking about the iGPU alone but the entire SoC as a pachage (CPU, iGPU, Memory, Chipset etc etc)

 

[jpiniero]

Im not talking about the iGPU alone but the entire SoC as a pachage (CPU, iGPU, Memory, Chipset etc etc)

Well the IGP is the only thing you can really say AMD has an advantage on.

 

[AtenRa]

Well the IGP is the only thing you can really say AMD has an advantage on.

The reality is the iGPU is not alone but a part of the SoC package.

 

[PeterScott]

Every RR Laptop/Desktop will put its user to the Artificial Neural Network age.

WTF?

It's a better APU, that's about it. For most people, there will be negligible difference between the Intel and AMD versions, and because of inertia, most people will stick with Intel.

I expect it will be good enough that I can finally stop telling my friends: "Don't buy an AMD CPU" like I have been for about a decade, when they ask about computer purchases.

But it isn't going to revolutionize anything.

 

[ao_ika_red]

WTF?

It's a better APU, that's about it. For most people, there will be negligible difference between the Intel and AMD versions, and because of inertia, most people will stick with Intel.

It's not only better than AMD's previous APU, but also cheaper than Intel counterpart (it should be). I've witnessed how Carrizo-L and Stoney Ridge APUs sold like hot cakes to students in every computer exhibition that I've involved in. There should be no difference with Raven Ridge. But, for God's sake AMD, please force your marketing team to do something with your products publication. Almost all of big computer exhibitions in my country (Indonesia) are heavily sponsored by Intel and thanks to AMD's lack of presence majority of matured users don't even know that AMD mobile products are still existed.

 

[IntelUser2000]

VEGA = Dual FP16 throughput

Gen 9 Intel(HD 530 onwards) also have 2x FP16 throughput.

 

[Schmide]

Gen 8 Intel(Broadwell onwards) also have 2x FP16 throughput.

fixed but still a derail

 

[VirtualLarry]

Can you coin-mine on the Bristol Ridge, APUs or Intel 7th/8th-gen Core CPUs?

 

[NTMBK]

Can you coin-mine on the Bristol Ridge, APUs or Intel 7th/8th-gen Core CPUs?

Don't know why you'd bother trying to mine on Bristol Ridge, it's inefficient old 28nm silicon. Better off getting a Polaris dedicated GPU.

 

[sandorski]

Don't know why you'd bother trying to mine on Bristol Ridge, it's inefficient old 28nm silicon. Better off getting a Polaris dedicated GPU.

good luck with that. Ordered a 570 in May, it's still on back order.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I tried mining with my Kaveri. It was pathetic. Something like 2.5 MH/s mining Ethereum. Today it would not even be possible since max framebuffer was 2 GB.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

good luck with that. Ordered a 570 in May, it's still on back order.

Ouch. I'd heard about supply issues, but that takes the cake...

 

[cbn]

Assuming a comparison of 35W Raven Ridge vs. Core i5 8250U and MX150 vs. Core i7 7700HQ and MX150 (the two MX150 laptops currently found at Newegg here and here) and a budget Core i5 7200U and 940MX GDDR5 laptop here these would be my predictions for Blender 2.79 and Video editing (in order of fastest to slowest):

Blender (smaller scenes, 2GB or smaller):

1.) and 2.) Not sure what would be faster MX150 (at 25W) or Vega iGPU (using most of the 35W TDP of Raven Ridge). This will depend on how the improvements in OPEN CL pan out. According to this article It does look very encouraging at this point though.
3). 940MX GDDR5
4). Zen CPU (using most of Raven Ridge's 35W TDP)
5). Intel Core i7 7700HQ
6.) Core i5 8250U
7. Core i5 7200U

Blender (larger scenes, greater than 2GB...which excludes MX150 and 940MX GDDR5):

1.) Vega iGPU (using most of the 35W TDP of Raven Ridge)
2.) Zen CPU (using most of Raven Ridge's 35W TDP)
3.) Intel Core i7 7700HQ
4.) Intel Core i5 8250U
5.Intel Core i5 7200U

Video editing:

1.) Intel Core i7 7700HQ
2.) Zen CPU (using most of Raven Ridge's 35W TDP)
3.) Core i5 8250U
4. Core i5 7200U

P.S. Would be very interesting to see how Zen and Vega iGPU do in Blender installed on Linux as well.

Looking at the following result's of Today's Blender 2.79 release I think the 35W Raven Ridge would beat the 25W MX150 in all the scenes:

https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/Release_Notes/2.79/Cycles

 

[PeterScott]

Looking at the following result's of Today's Blender 2.79 release I think the 35W Raven Ridge would beat the 25W MX150 in all the scenes:

Why would this matter? Do you think people will be buying an APU to do Blender rendering?

 

[cbn]

Why would this matter? Do you think people will be buying an APU to do Blender rendering?

Well, not all rendering with Blender is demanding (eg, low poly).....so these APUs can work. It just depends on the detail used in the scene.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Any chance they make an Iris Pro type competitor with HBM2 memory?

 

[scannall]

Any chance they make an Iris Pro type competitor with HBM2 memory?

Not this year. The cost and volume aren't there yet. Next year? Maybe. The year after, more likely.

 

[PeterScott]

Not this year. The cost and volume aren't there yet. Next year? Maybe. The year after, more likely.

Yeah, check back in 2020 and gaming performance will be up to a GT 1030.

 

[mohit9206]

Still reading comments on internet people saying RR will be as good as rx460/560. Why don't people learn to keep their expectations in check. It just doesn't have the bandwidth to do that. Not to mention its will have to work with much lower TDP means much lower clocks and throttling.

 

[tamz_msc]

Why these idiotic posts about APUs which discount the CPU and talk only about the GPU? Deduct 10 fps from the average and this is what you can expect from RR:

 

[LightningZ71]

I'm counting on three main things that RE will have going for it over BR:
An L3 cache (one with decent size at that) as testing shows that the GPU memory demands on BR and smaller chips starve the CPUs heavily. With it, the GPU won't get in the way of the CPUs as much and will have more consistent memory access.
VEGA improvements to memory bandwidth efficiency.
Smaller litho node allows for higher total performance in the same power budgets.

There are other helpful features, like nvme support from the CPU, that can only help. I don't think that it will make it as fast as dedicated gaming laptops, but at 720p, it should handle anything you want to throw at it at high settings and at 1080p, it should still play well at moderate settings on most games. That assumes dual channel ddr4 2400 or better. Drop it to one channel and it'll probably be no better than BR in most cases.