AMD Radeon RX 3000 Series Navi GPU Specs Leaked...OC3D

[JPB]

AMD's upcoming Navi series of graphics cards are set to deliver a major performance leap over their current generation offerings, providing both architectural improvements while also jumping to TSMC's new 7nm process node, securing additional power/performance gains.

This changes will have a huge impact on the low-end graphics market, where AMD has been supplying Polaris graphics cards for over two years, offering the architectural benefits of Vega on top of the benefits of Navi/7nm, offering plenty of room for hardware innovation.

Specifications for AMD's planned Navi graphics cards have now leaked via AdoredTV, though we will note that these rumours need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially with regards to GPU pricing. Product pricing can change rapidly for soon to be released products, sometimes happening days or even hours before a product's reveal.

With Nvidia stomping over AMD RX branding territory with their Geforce RTX series of graphics cards, AMD has decided to fight back with a new 3000-series naming scheme, bringing their Radeon graphics cards in-line with their CPU lineup while complicating Nvidia's naming scheme moving forward. AMD has made similar moves in the past with their 300/400-series motherboard names, which ship with similar names and branding to their Intel-made equivalents.

Performance-wise, it appears as it AMD doesn't plan to take on the likes of Nvidia's RTX 2080 or RTX 2080 Ti, at least initially. Instead, AMD is targetting the low-end, with XX60, XX70 and XX80 series SKUs, all of which reportedly feature GDDR6 memory and deliver performance numbers which are vastly superior to their 500-series Polaris-based counterparts.




If this leak is true, the performance of AMD's RX 580 and Nvidia's GTX 1060 will soon be relegated to AMD's low-end product tier, creating a strong baseline for new systems. If the pricing listed above also proves accurate, AMD will be onto a winner in the low-end graphics market, as RX 580-grade performance for $129.99 is a steal.

All that being said, these leaked specs are dubious at best, especially with regards to pricing. It is far too early for AMD to have a firm grasp on what their pricing structure will be for their Navi series graphics cards, as this is usually defined by their competition at the time of launch. I don't expect to see an RTX 2070 competitor sell for $249.99, not then the RTX 2070 retails for $499.

AMD Radeon RX 3000 Series Navi GPU Specs Leaked

 

[Mopetar]

I'm skeptical of this. The main reason is that Vega 64 + 15% is basically a Radeon VII which is $700.

Navi would also be a pretty major overhaul as well in order to hit those performance levels at the given TDP.

Sure it's possible, because Vega is not really designed for gaming, and GCN had some obvious limitations that if fixed would be a big performance uplift, but you know what they say about things that sound too good to be true.

 

[Ajay]

Most important line:

though we will note that these rumours need to be taken with a grain of salt

 

[Mopetar]

I think you need an entire pile of salt for these. It's possible, especially considering what AMD was able to do with Zen, but this would represent a similar level of improvement on AMD's part. Not impossible, but it becomes necessary to answer why they weren't executing this well before. Sure they aren't starved for cash quite like they used to be, but even with more funding going into RTG, that's one hell of a turn-around.

 

[Hitman928]

Color me doubtful but I would be thrilled if it ends up being true.

 

[Hitman928]

Just realized that this article is from last year and their source is an AdoredTV video from Dec 4, 2018. . .

 

[Stuka87]

This was posted ages ago, and it was deemed laughably unlikely even back then.

 

[sandorski]

If true, this would make the 400 release look like a minor bump. Would certainly make Navi competitive. AMD merging CPU/GPU naming schemes seems a good Cross Marketing strategy. I hope it pans out, but there's some wiggle room on how short of these claims they could be wherein it's still a great release.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Just realized that this article is from last year and their source is an AdoredTV video from Dec 4, 2018. . .

It depends on how credible AdoredTV is in terms of leaks.

How have they faired historically?

 

[railven]

It depends on how credible AdoredTV is in terms of leaks.

How have they faired historically?

I preferred Adored when he appeared more as an objective pro-AMD channel. I prefer my AMD supporters to be realistic. He called Vega out from the start, and he was pretty close with the results. But then he realized that being honest didn't generate as many clicks as propagating the AMD vs NV/Intel hate and resorted to putting out fluff AMD, doom gloom Intel/Nvidia stuff that tainted his appeal to me.

So, watched him a lot before Vega launch. His level headed criticism was spot on, and he didn't give AMD any benefit of the doubt. Last video I saw was basically a one-sided shill-fest. Let me see if I can dig up the video where he stated he was going to change his format.

EDIT found it, time stamp 7:55 or so.

Again, I got no issue with someone stating their opinions. I found his videos well made, good info, and his opinion were usually tame. It's this video where he states his disgust with the average buyer (and to me this is always an argument I feel is weak. Consumers don't side with you, consumers MUST be idiots/sheeps.). Once he turned on this rhetoric, it became more apparent in his following videos, and I just couldn't stomach it either. Again, shill all you want, don't act like you're morally superior because of your buying habits. I bought ATI/AMD exclusively until the mining bubble pushed me out, and not once do I ever call Nvidia buyers sheep/idiots. As I'm now an Nvidia buyer due to decisions by AMD, I wouldn't call AMD buyers idiots/sheeps.

When you resort to these tasteless personal insults, you've lost any credibility to me.

 

[tviceman]

AMD hasn't even come close to hitting 2x performance per watt increases with new nodes or new architectures. They won't do it with Navi vs. Vega 56, especially when taking into account that HBM2 has half the memory TDP budget as GDDR6. I won't be surprised to see them hit GTX 1080 levels of performance with their best Navi chip, but power consumption will likely be ~180 watts.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

If AMD is struggling to keep their current 7nm Vega based die (with power saving HBM memory) under 275 Watts, I doubt this Navi 10 GPU to have 150Watt TDP..

But, then again, there have been unusual products in the past ( Sapphire's 45 Watt RX560 )

They got those 1024 shaders (+ Onboard GDDR5) to operate at 45Watts, on 14nm; 2048 shaders @75 Watts is possible with 7nm, which would be 580 performance level..

Same would apply for the full 40/44CU uncut Navi 12 chip, with 150 Watt total power consumption (similar to Sapphire Pulse Vega 56, with 165Watt TDP on silent BIOS and 180 Watt TDP on normal.. )

All this is in the realm of possibility as AMD just need to tune the new cards, optimise for maximum clocks with lowest voltages.. These 3000 cards could be very, very power efficient..

I'm sure these cards would launch at $50/75 higher than those suggested prices, unless AMD got a really sweet deal on those 7nm wafer prices and wants to disrupt the market ( Nvidia will have complete monopoly of lower / mainstream market by then with the new GTX1600 series, which is excellent )

 

[NostaSeronx]

inb4, AMD cancels Navi in all discrete implementations. Moves straight to the chiplet GPU on the discrete platform. Uses their new found ability to source at both, Samsung's 7LPP and TSMC's 7FF+.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD hasn't even come close to hitting 2x performance per watt increases with new nodes or new architectures. They won't do it with Navi vs. Vega 56, especially when taking into account that HBM2 has half the memory TDP budget as GDDR6. I won't be surprised to see them hit GTX 1080 levels of performance with their best Navi chip, but power consumption will likely be ~180 watts.

R7 290X = 290W TDP (28nm)

RX 480 = 5% faster than R9 290X @ 150W TDP (14nm)

perf/w = 2x


Vega 64 = 295W TDP (14nm)

NAVI = Could be equal to Vega 64 performance at 150W TDP with 7nm manufacturing.

Also,

Radeon Vii (Vega 20 @ 7nm) has 50% less power at the same performance as Vega 64. That translates in to 2x perf/w over Vega 64.

 

[Rifter]

Yeah they are going to be selling RVII performance for 1/3 the price when navi launches, right.

No chance.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Er, isn't this just the same exact rumor from months back? We've had this general info for months, or is there something more tangible? From what I can tell, the Vega 64+15% seems to have been AMD's goal for Navi (although rumors seem to suggest Navi is performing in line with expectation - a good sign; although I believe some of the more recent ones suggested they were doing a respin or another stepping to fix some bug and so it likely got delayed from AMD's desired late Q1/early Q2 timeframe).

We'll see. I'm personally expecting pricing (especially if it ends up at that level) to be at least more in the $299 range (480/580/590 were what $279?). Which even that would be nice in this market. I also hope we might see some solid bundles with Zen 2 stuff (like for some very solid boards that put it in the best light and offer great features; or working to bundle known compatible memory to help alleviate concern over that due to Zen 1 being a bit finnicky with memory - hopefully they improve compatibility too).

Which, with Google's streaming thing, namely them explicitly mentioning mGPU support, I wonder if we might see a resurgence in that. The main reason why its floundered so much is that developers aren't putting in the effort to enable it and make it work well. If they're already doing that because its something that Google (and probably Microsoft would want as well since they're gonna be doing game streaming too), then maybe we'll see it get enabled for consumers. And I wouldn't think Google or Microsoft would take issue with that, as it'd actually help Google in their value proposition ("instead of needing two graphics cards, more powerful power supply, and better cooling, you can just pay a bit extra and get it from us"), and for Microsoft it would help re-establish PC as a premium gaming experience over console (and make it so they wouldn't need to consider doing a One X type of deal again, they'd just say "if you want higher resolution, higher framerates, etc, game on PC"). I also think mGPU would help VR a lot as it would be especially well suited for that (per eye rendering, increased quality and/or framerates per eye). And if they did manage to do that, it would be great for AMD where they could push say 2 Navi cards for Threadripper systems. And doing mGPU for gamers lets them make the larger chip more compute focused and so they can tailor it even more for HPC, while they can sell pro versions of consumer Navi to the companies doing game streaming from datacenters (Google's service seems to be using Vega 56 based cards for instance, so they'd love a faster more efficient option).

For the people saying there's no way because Radeon VII. Uh, that card doesn't have that much better performance than Vega 64 in graphics, and by the time Navi is out it'll have been almost 2 years since Vega 64. Plus let's not forget that Vega 64 didn't exactly set the world on fire in graphics performance either. Radeon VII is expensive because of the HBM2 and being early on 7nm, and Navi will be GDDR6 and on a more mature 7nm. Plus, Radeon VII was a slapdash attempt at making HPC focused Vega 20 into a gaming card (and plenty of rumors have suggested that Radeon VII is not a longterm product). Another point is that, if AMD can go "we're offering the same gaming performance as our $700 card for $250, it'll get a lot of attention.

The other is that, AMD has said they have no issue taking lower margins if it means still high revenue from the increased number of sales. And AMD needs marketshare in dGPU badly. And its less about Nvidia (who has carved out lucrative niches for themselves that AMD won't be able to easily compete in, just like AMD has done the same due to their console/embedded market thanks to their CPU division), and more about Intel. AMD needs to bolster their graphics position to try and stymie Intel, as both are going to be competing more directly as they move to likely CPU+GPU chiplets. And I think rumors have suggested that Intel is targeting that segment with their gaming focused GPU.

 

[IntelUser2000]

We've had this general info for months, or is there something more tangible?

Hitman928 said the original source is from AdoredTV back in December.

Again, shill all you want, don't act like you're morally superior because of your buying habits.

Yea, this is blaming the victim. In this case the company is always at fault here.

A better advice would have been to tell his viewers to not buy the card. He tries to split between enthusiasts and consumers, but really if you think about it, he is insulting his audience.

Maybe people turn to victim blaming because they realize they are absolutely powerless against the greater entities. It's like coming home and shouting at your family for your stupid boss.

That said, the recent price leak for the Ryzen 3000-series suggest that AdoredTV is credible enough.

 

[mattiasnyc]

Yeah they are going to be selling RVII performance for 1/3 the price when navi launches, right.

No chance.

Who said that was going to happen?

Yea, this is blaming the victim. In this case the company is always at fault here.

A better advice would have been to tell his viewers to not buy the card. He tries to split between enthusiasts and consumers, but really if you think about it, he is insulting his audience.

Maybe people turn to victim blaming because they realize they are absolutely powerless against the greater entities. It's like coming home and shouting at your family for your stupid boss.

I think his point was that some people don't listen to him pointing out that they shouldn't be "overpaying" for Nvidia products, which is what it seems like you're saying when you say it's the company that is at fault. Now, the difference here is that the company - the corporation - has the single goal of maximizing profit, whereas the consumer wants to get the best deals possible (i.e. more for less paid).

So, given that we exist in a capitalist system you can't really blame the company for maximizing profits, but you can absolutely blame consumers for being sheep IF they are given the facts that could lead them to make better decisions but choose not to make them.

 

[railven]

Yea, this is blaming the victim. In this case the company is always at fault here.

A better advice would have been to tell his viewers to not buy the card. He tries to split between enthusiasts and consumers, but really if you think about it, he is insulting his audience.

Maybe people turn to victim blaming because they realize they are absolutely powerless against the greater entities. It's like coming home and shouting at your family for your stupid boss.

That said, the recent price leak for the Ryzen 3000-series suggest that AdoredTV is credible enough.

I don't understand why people, especially one's with a platform, think it's their duty to tell other people how to spend their money (worst, as of late, life their lives!). What does it even matter to him? Unless he's profiting from AMD's success? Even if consumers want to pick a team and throw their undying love at it, it's on them. Going around calling them sheep isn't going to do jack except cause vitriol or doubling down.

I think his point was that some people don't listen to him pointing out that they shouldn't be "overpaying" for Nvidia products, which is what it seems like you're saying when you say it's the company that is at fault. Now, the difference here is that the company - the corporation - has the single goal of maximizing profit, whereas the consumer wants to get the best deals possible (i.e. more for less paid).

And? Are people suppose to take his advice as gospel? Even if they choose a GTX 1660 over an RX 580 w/3 Free Games, it isn't affecting him. He seems to be upset his voice has no power. Welcome to the majority of the population.

So, given that we exist in a capitalist system you can't really blame the company for maximizing profits, but you can absolutely blame consumers for being sheep IF they are given the facts that could lead them to make better decisions but choose not to make them.

Do you change your own brakes? Or perhaps something less physical, do you make your own home cleaning products? There are hundreds if not thousands of people on Youtube making videos with detailed steps how to basically DIY everything. Do you only buy generic store brand?

We cast this net wide enough, everyone is a sheep. And yes, I prefer Doritos over Market Basket's Cheese Tortilla Chips. I'd gladly pay the extra $1 and some change for those. BAAAAAA AAAAAAAAH


Buy whatever you can afford and fits your needs. I don't get why these "tech enthusiasts" have to pick a side and then die on it.

 

[killster1]

I don't understand why people, especially one's with a platform, think it's their duty to tell other people how to spend their money (worst, as of late, life their lives!). What does it even matter to him? Unless he's profiting from AMD's success? Even if consumers want to pick a team and throw their undying love at it, it's on them. Going around calling them sheep isn't going to do jack except cause vitriol or doubling down.



And? Are people suppose to take his advice as gospel? Even if they choose a GTX 1660 over an RX 580 w/3 Free Games, it isn't affecting him. He seems to be upset his voice has no power. Welcome to the majority of the population.



Do you change your own brakes? Or perhaps something less physical, do you make your own home cleaning products? There are hundreds if not thousands of people on Youtube making videos with detailed steps how to basically DIY everything. Do you only buy generic store brand?

We cast this net wide enough, everyone is a sheep. And yes, I prefer Doritos over Market Basket's Cheese Tortilla Chips. I'd gladly pay the extra $1 and some change for those. BAAAAAA AAAAAAAAH


Buy whatever you can afford and fits your needs. I don't get why these "tech enthusiasts" have to pick a side and then die on it.

wow this thread is interesting i will now search how to make my own cleaning products, i use alot of vinegar and it is like 4$ a gallon just think of the savings!

 

[railven]

wow this thread is interesting i will now search how to make my own cleaning products, i use alot of vinegar and it is like 4$ a gallon just think of the savings!

If you aren't using baking soda in your mix, you're a sheep too! (Pushes his Method/Tide/whatever we use for the dishwasher products out of view).

 

[Guru]

I mean most people who buy Nvidia are ignorant. All of my friends are like that, they have ZERO knowledge of hardware. Nvidia is the more known brand over AMD, so they will buy Nvidia 9/10 times, even if the AMD alternative is 10x times better.

Would I call them sheep? No, but they definitely are ignorant and clueless.

Like you have guys who can't install an antivirus, their hardware decisions are crap. It doesn't help that hardware stores hire ignoramus as well, just because they can talk fast and cool. They rather hire the cool dude, rather than the nerd who actually knows hardware. So when people go to the hardware store they are bombarded with false information on top of their own ignorance. That is how Nvidia wins the GPU wars.

So would I call Nvidia buyers sheep? No, but your average consumer out there is 100% clueless, 100% ignorant on hardware purchases and will buy depending on the better known brand name!

 

[killster1]

If you aren't using baking soda in your mix, you're a sheep too! (Pushes his Method/Tide/whatever we use for the dishwasher products out of view).

pff i make my own baking soda of course, the other day i dumped hot water down the drain then baking soda / vinegar, cleared up the plug nicely. I really dont believe 250$ 1080 performance either unless it uses more heat/watts.

 

[killster1]

I mean most people who buy Nvidia are ignorant. All of my friends are like that, they have ZERO knowledge of hardware. Nvidia is the more known brand over AMD, so they will buy Nvidia 9/10 times, even if the AMD alternative is 10x times better.

Would I call them sheep? No, but they definitely are ignorant and clueless.

Like you have guys who can't install an antivirus, their hardware decisions are crap. It doesn't help that hardware stores hire ignoramus as well, just because they can talk fast and cool. They rather hire the cool dude, rather than the nerd who actually knows hardware. So when people go to the hardware store they are bombarded with false information on top of their own ignorance. That is how Nvidia wins the GPU wars.

So would I call Nvidia buyers sheep? No, but your average consumer out there is 100% clueless, 100% ignorant on hardware purchases and will buy depending on the better known brand name!

cool troll post i enjoyed it, maybe a little true NVIDIA has been gfx champ forever.. AMD well they are a CPU company (in peoples heads) so its pretty easy to think nvidia is the better of the two. Oh and BTW since when has AMD ever been better than nvidia x 10? hahahahhahahah IM Looking forward to the day that intel amd nvidia and maybe even a 4th company are making great cards giving each other competition.

 

[mattiasnyc]

And? Are people suppose to take his advice as gospel?

Is that what I said?

Even if they choose a GTX 1660 over an RX 580 w/3 Free Games, it isn't affecting him. He seems to be upset his voice has no power. Welcome to the majority of the population.

Ok, but just who's coming off as being upset now? Him in his video that is about 1.5 years old (!) or you being annoyed he used the word "sheep" in that 1.5-year old video? I mean, hold a grudge much?

I'm absolutely fine with calling sheep "sheep", if that's what they are. If they're insulted by that I'm ok with that too. They can always not be a sheep (maybe)..