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AMD Radeon 6850 and 6870 are go to launch on October 18

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okay now we are back to 800/960sp in this slide. lol :\

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/16943...870_are_go_to_launch_on_october_18/index.html



For what has seemed like a very long time - AMD has teased us with no refresh of their Evergreen (5xxx series), then the name change from ATI to AMD and now finally, some concrete release dates for you to check on your calender.
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October 18, 2010.
This is the day AMD will unveil the new, now AMD branded, Radeon 6850 and 6870 cards. The 5k series was a great card for performance per watt, which has been AMD's strategy with the last generation of GPU. This generation kicks it up a few notches...
The 6870 will compete with the current 5850.
To compare: a 5850 has 1440 stream processors, 725MHz core, and uses 151W of power. The 6870 will beat the current 5850, while only using 960 stream processors, an increased 850MHz core and uses >150W power. While it uses more power, it has cut down 30% of it's stream processors and can still beat a 5850... it will be interesting to see what a full 1400+ stream processing GPU from AMD can do.
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AMD are using the 6870 to replace the 5770 - this is where it gets confusing. AMD are changing naming schemes... the 6870 will replace the "5770-esque" part of the market, while the new 69xx series will replace the current 58xx market-segment.
From what I've seen - it looks like AMD have shoved an NVIDIA GTX460 into a dog's face, and made them chase it - the hunt is on, AMD want that GTX460 segment and if they can pull off 5870 performance for just over 150W and $200 - they'll have it, in droves.
 
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sorry to pull a tweakboy and reply to my own thread but something just doesn't sound right about this. if the 6870 performs only slightly better than a 5850 and uses the same amount of power then whats the real point in calling it a 6870? that is very misleading and many people would just assume that a 6870 would be faster than 5870 which of course it wont be if that chart is accurate.

also considering the 6870 will already be at 125mhz higher speed than the "old" 5850, it seems like the 5850 could be faster in some cases if both the 5850 and 6870 are oced to their limits. in other words if they are almost even in performance then the 6870 is going to have to oc an additional 100mhz above and beyond what the 5850 can oc to.

really if the 6870 is priced around the same as the 5850 then it would make no sense either since it will perform about the same and use about the same power. 😕
 
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Seems like the rumored specs and names have changed on a weekly basis if not more, makes me wonder if AMD is purposefully flooding the interwebs with misdirecting information.

If the 6870 is meant to replace the 5850's price point it very well could be as fast or faster than the 5870.
 
bunnyfubbles said:
Seems like the rumored specs and names have changed on a weekly basis if not more, makes me wonder if AMD is purposefully flooding the interwebs with misdirecting information.

If the 6870 is meant to replace the 5850's price point it very well could be as fast or faster than the 5870.
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yeah this is worse than the 4000 series rumors that went around. in the end, the best rumor of 800sp turned out to be true though. I just cant wrap my brain around them calling it a 6870 if its only slightly better than 5850. I don't think even the crazy marketing guys at Nvidia have done that before.

well going by that chart the 6850 is better than the 5830 and the 6870 is better than a 5850. that certainly doesn't look like the 6870 would even match much less beat the 5870. who really knows at this point though?

on a slightly related note, Nvidia is preparing bios flashes and printing up stickers for their "new" 5xx series cards.:sneaky:
 
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Hopefully they give you more for your money than nVida in the 200 dollar range, otherwise I don't see them taking away that segment. The 460 is a great card, it's already available, potentially has the lead on drivers which may remain the case for while after launch and it overclocks very well.

Being that not all 460s overclock to 900mhz (5870 performance) I'm a bit skeptical we'll get stock 5870 performance for 200 bucks.

If we do I'm sold, finally a cheap worthwhile upgrade from the 4000 series.
 
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yeah this is worse than the 4000 series rumors that went around. in the end, the best rumor of 800sp turned out to be true though. I just cant wrap my brain around them calling it a 6870 if its only slightly better than 5850. I don't think even the crazy marketing guys at Nvidia have done that before.
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8800GT-> 9800GT

Between that and the original Phenom, I don't excited until I see numbers from an official source.
 
Ben90 said:
8800GT-> 9800GT

Between that and the original Phenom, I don't excited until I see numbers from an official source.
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the 8800gt and 9800gt were the same card and performed the same. according to the slide the 6870 will perform like a 5850 so for the situation to be the same here it would have been called the 9900gt and performed slightly worse than the 8800gt.
 
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sciwizam said:
This has to be a fake, because the first time that table showed up in Beyond3D, the 5770 was listed as having 256bit interface.

Looks like Tweaktown got it from NordicHardware.se, where it still lists 5770 as 256 bit.

http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...hd-6870-och-6850-lanseras-den-18-oktober.html
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well on the English nordichardware site they have the same table as tweaktown. http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...d-6870-and-6850-launches-on-october-18th.html
 
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imported_Sable said:
Errr...

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100927PD228.html

AMD has recently postponed the launch schedule of its next-generation Radeon HD 6000 series GPUs (Southern Islands) from the original October 12 to November, according to sources from graphics card makers.
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Yeah, and from that article:

"In response, Nvidia plans to launch its new entry-level GeForce GT 430 in October, while reducing the price of its GeForce GT 220 and GTX 460 768MB graphics cards."

It seems as if we'll get some moves from Nvidia in the interim too. I bet we were all hoping for even more price dropping on the GTX460 1GB, eh? 🙂
 
imported_Sable said:
Errr...

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100927PD228.html

AMD has recently postponed the launch schedule of its next-generation Radeon HD 6000 series GPUs (Southern Islands) from the original October 12 to November, according to sources from graphics card makers.
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I thought that rumor was already proven wrong. http://fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20331-hd-6000-series-reportedly-pushed-back-to-november

"Update: Minutes after posting the story we were informed by some people in the know that the launch will indeed go ahead as planned. We can expect some fresh and tasty Radeons in two weeks, but mass availability should probably be expected sometime in November. As for Nvidia's price cuts, well it's not like they have much choice."
 
I hope they stay with 6750/6770 for Barts. This new nomenclature makes no sense, unless it's designed to fool suckers into believing that the 6870 is a generation above the 5870 in performance, but less expensive. That'd be a shitty thing to do on AMD's part.
 
I wonder if AMD is telling different partners different things to keep the information secret and/or see which direction leaks are coming from. Obviously we still don't know what's what, there are a lot of conflicting rumors. They have been pretty good at keeping secrets before launch as of late.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I wonder if AMD is telling different partners different things to keep the information secret and/or see which direction leaks are coming from. Obviously we still don't know what's what, there are a lot of conflicting rumors. They have been pretty good at keeping secrets before launch as of late.
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Like I said before - misdirection.

The correct info is in all likelihood out there, we just can't tell what it is because its lost in a sea of rumored specs and naming schemes. Heck, even the code name situation got messy. First it was supposed to be Northern Islands, then it was changed to Southern Islands, then it was Northern all along... lol Do we really know anything?
 
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I hope they stay with 6750/6770 for Barts. This new nomenclature makes no sense, unless it's designed to fool suckers into believing that the 6870 is a generation above the 5870 in performance, but less expensive. That'd be a shitty thing to do on AMD's part.
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I agree with you, if AMD do this then it will be a shitty thing to do. 🙁
 
No idea why some of you are even saying "that would be very confusing" with very bolded. If the stuff we`ve heard is correct (the new naming for the Radeon 6xxx series), its really no different than stopping a series name, and starting a new one. At one point 9700 was ATIs top card.

Unless you are old and dement, its really easy and goes like this:


Old naming:
mid-highmid-high-topend
5770-5850-5870-5970

New naming:
mid-highmid-high-topend
6870-6950-6970-6990
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Id myself prefer if there was a 3 number (xxx) difference between them, As it would mean sticking to their current system. But if they are changing it, it doesnt make it any harder than what ive written in the quote.

If the naming scheme changes, Im sure AMD will include in their reviewers guide, if such a thing exists



EDIT: IF there is a change.
 
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