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AMD Radeon 6850 and 6870 are go to launch on October 18

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Madcatatlas said:
No idea why some of you are even saying "that would be very confusing" with very bolded. If the stuff we`ve heard is correct (the new naming for the Radeon 6xxx series), its really no different than stopping a series name, and starting a new one. At one point 9700 was ATIs top card.

Unless you are old and dement, its really easy and goes like this:




Id myself prefer if there was a 3 number (xxx) difference between them, As it would mean sticking to their current system. But if they are changing it, it doesnt make it any harder than what ive written in the quote.

If the naming scheme changes, Im sure AMD will include in their reviewers guide, if such a thing exists



EDIT: IF there is a change.
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AMD is still keeping the rest of the naming convention (6x50, 6x70, etc) in place, so there's no point in shifting the meanings of the 2nd digit. A new naming convention will confuse more casual users.

9700 was nearly a decade ago.

Edited it for clarity.
 
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T2k said:
That's the whole point, my friend and AMD is playing this game beautifully, I must say. 😀
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No I have to disagree. If AMD is trying to weed out leakers, then kudos to them. If they're trying to get interest drummed up, 1) all the confusion is is more likely to piss people off and 2) if the best-estimate rumors turn out to be not true, then it'll be an even bigger disappointment. If AMD really wanted to drum up interest in what they feel will be a great product, the occasional benchmarks should be leaked instead of false/true/false/true information. Right now people are pissed at the rumor of a 6870 being slower than a 5870, and other people are putting all their eggs into "6770 > 5870" rumor. Pissing off half of your potential customers with false rumors prior to a launch is almost never the best way to win customers. Slowly leaking only good, true information is the best way to get people excited and win more customers.

Personally all these rumors don't mean ****, I'm just in here for the amusement of how much people are speculating and taking these rumors at face value for. Until I see hard numbers and verifiable information it's all worthless banter.
 
toyota said:
and the plot thickens. lol. he basically regurgitated an earlier slide we saw last week.
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Yeah I managed to see it before it was pulled. I've seen those stats somewhere before.

Only two more weeks until we get to see the real deal with these new cards.
 
tviceman said:
Right now people are pissed at the rumor of a 6870 being slower than a 5870, and other people are putting all their eggs into "6770 > 5870" rumor. Pissing off half of your potential customers with false rumors prior to a launch is almost never the best way to win customers. Slowly leaking only good, true information is the best way to get people excited and win more customers.

Personally all these rumors don't mean ****, I'm just in here for the amusement of how much people are speculating and taking these rumors at face value for. Until I see hard numbers and verifiable information it's all worthless banter.
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I don't think many people are pissed at AMD about this. If there are some, most will forget about it after launch. The few who don't, are probably at angry at everything in life so it doesn't really matter for them.

And its performance level is only part of the reason to buy. There will always be faster and slower cards. Its how much performance for how much money that matters.
 
edplayer said:
I don't think many people are pissed at AMD about this. If there are some, most will forget about it after launch. The few who don't, are probably at angry at everything in life so it doesn't really matter for them.

And its performance level is only part of the reason to buy. There will always be faster and slower cards. Its how much performance for how much money that matters.
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No, it's silly and stupid and rename the product line in this way. Does it make sense that a 6870 is slower than a 5870? No. This is confusing for the average consumer.
 
If they are changing the Model numbers like that, it's dumb and unnecessary. Hopefully this is just misdirection.

That said, it's always a good idea to forget the previous generation and investigate the current one reasonably well before making a purchasing decision.
 
Has to be the most convoluted, messy launch they've done so far. Usually AMD/ATI have been pretty straightforward and on schedule. The accuracy of early info isn't necessarily their responsibility, but it is a bit different from the past couple of releases.
 
Who said AMD was the one leaking the info in the first place. It's just another one of the rumors that is floating around. My take is it's Red vs Green fanboy evil at play. 🙂

I'd think that if the leak was AMD sponsored it would be handled in a different way than the conflicting information that is floating around currently. Like some have said it could be a way AMD is trying to find the source(s) for leaking information....On the other hand tho that also could just be another one of the rumors floating around.
 
tviceman said:
No I have to disagree. If AMD is trying to weed out leakers, then kudos to them. If they're trying to get interest drummed up, 1) all the confusion is is more likely to piss people off and 2) if the best-estimate rumors turn out to be not true, then it'll be an even bigger disappointment. If AMD really wanted to drum up interest in what they feel will be a great product, the occasional benchmarks should be leaked instead of false/true/false/true information. Right now people are pissed at the rumor of a 6870 being slower than a 5870, and other people are putting all their eggs into "6770 > 5870" rumor. Pissing off half of your potential customers with false rumors prior to a launch is almost never the best way to win customers. Slowly leaking only good, true information is the best way to get people excited and win more customers.
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It's obviously to confuse certain people who try to draw conclusions from leaks...

Personally all these rumors don't mean ****, I'm just in here for the amusement of how much people are speculating and taking these rumors at face value for. Until I see hard numbers and verifiable information it's all worthless banter.
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IMO nobody gets pissed except clueless young fellas but they will be pissed at the news source, not at AMD and they get pissed routinely every other week at different rumors anyway.🙄
 
Kenmitch said:
Who said AMD was the one leaking the info in the first place. It's just another one of the rumors that is floating around. My take is it's Red vs Green fanboy evil at play. 🙂

I'd think that if the leak was AMD sponsored it would be handled in a different way than the conflicting information that is floating around currently. Like some have said it could be a way AMD is trying to find the source(s) for leaking information....On the other hand tho that also could just be another one of the rumors floating around.
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There are a ton of rumors now, some of the early ones with benches were pretty exciting but now it's all the same leaked slides.

We're only two weeks out from getting reviews, not too far now. Then if the 6 series is a hit the AMD fanboys can dance all over the NV crew's throats and vice versa.

I'm not surprised AMD is playing it so close with info on these new cards. They have nvidia on the defensive and the less NV knows about what's coming whether good or bad, the better for AMD.

No need to drum up excitement via rumor and early leaks from AMD. People who follow video hardware know the knew cards are coming and are already looking forward to getting their hands on the results. It will be that much more satisfying when we get real reviews having been kept in the dark for this long and wondering.
 
tviceman said:
Right now people are pissed at the rumor of a 6870 being slower than a 5870, and other people are putting all their eggs into "6770 > 5870" rumor.
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While renaming HD6770 into HD6870 and positioning it against GTX460 / or as a replacement for 5850 in performance is confusing for 5870 owners, the most important info missing is price. They could have called it HD6000 Pro, 6000 XT and 6000 XTX for all I care. We never got a confirmation if Barts XT was going to be HD6770 or HD6870 either.

Also, there was never a rumour that 6770 => 5870 from any professional website. These rumours were only started on the forum(s) without any 'credible' sources per say. If HD6870 is $200 and is faster than a 5850, I am sure you can overclock it to match 5870's speeds with ease anyway.

Last time mid-range HD4670 replaced HD3870, it wasn't much faster. HD5770 mid-range replaced HD4870 and it wasn't faster either (but since HD5770 cost $180 when 4870 could be found for $125, it was a bitter cup of coffee, imo only successful because NV discontinued GTX260/275s). So why are people expecting say a $200 HD6870 to be faster than a $350 HD5870 exactly? Even if it launches at $200-230 MSRP, prices will fall within 2-3 months to $200. That will look like GTX470 performance for <$200 without the extra noise and power consumption.

Without price in the equation, it's impossible to assess how good Barts XT will be. What if AMD prices it at $179-189? Then are people going call it a failure since it didn't beat the HD5870? 😀
 
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ExarKun333 said:
No, it's silly and stupid and rename the product line in this way. Does it make sense that a 6870 is slower than a 5870? No. This is confusing for the average consumer.
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I'm not worried about it. If they change it, whatever. Its one name. I will remember it in about one second. Its not a 2000 page novel that you will be tested on tomorrow and your life depends on it...
 
The only thing that pisses me off is that since there are so many rumours going around with regards to performance - that it is hard to believe the release date estimates as well. This makes things annoying when I told someone to wait to finish their build until AMD's launch.
 
And this is exactly why companies don't want leaks prior to the actual launch. People will be irritated, angered and disappointed no matter what.

If someone needs to build today the best midrange card is the 460. Will there be a better performance value in the future? Absolutely. When? Who knows. Could be two weeks, could be two months, could be a year. If it's in two weeks prepare for massive buyer's remorse. If it's a year, not quite so much.
 
Absolution75 said:
The only thing that pisses me off is that since there are so many rumours going around with regards to performance - that it is hard to believe the release date estimates as well. This makes things annoying when I told someone to wait to finish their build until AMD's launch.
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First of all, the date quoted in the OP is dead wrong. It is not October 18 and there will be information officially released on a different date (although it may remain under NDA for awhile) 😛

Someone explain to me why - if they cannot even get the dates right - why there is a thread devoted to this nonsense? Clearly the right information is very obvious but it is hidden in among the mis-info.
 
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Let me put it to ya like this. Way back befor the 4000 series arrived I told you guys that ATI card would put a smile on your faces.
Well the 6000 series is going to make you more than smile!
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Let me put it to ya like this. Way back befor the 4000 series arrived I told you guys that ATI card would put a smile on your faces.
Well the 6000 series is going to make you more than smile!
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Well, it has already elicited a snicker or two from Nvidia.
😀

Oct 18 is dead wrong for launch.

C-ya next week. i'll check back to see if anyone has the date right by then
😛
 
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