AMD Q3 results: even worse than revised expectations

[raghu78]

HD78xx is just as "crippled" as Kepler. The only time your "compute BS" can be true would be for HD79xx.

this kind of argument in a thread topic which is about amd's poor q3 results is just really too much. for once take the conversation else where. AMD is stuck with a completely underperforming CPU division. the GPU division atleast is slightly profitable. The execution problems with GlobalFoundries on Llano made them prioritise OEM shipments over channel and now the channel is kicking them back. They wrote off 100 million in Llano inventory. It seems like its getting worse. Kaveri now looks very doubtful for 2013. there is not a single mention of it in their earnings call. Kabini is being talked of as H1 2013 release with working silicon at AMD labs. The future looks very bad. The board of directors need to get off their lazy asses and change the useless CEO. The current management looks like they will more or less bury AMD. then there will be no CPU or GPU wars. Only two monopolies Intel and Nvidia.

 

[Jaydip]

Beats me!
Oh have you got links to back up that very well known fact

Here you go
http://www.amdusers.com/forum/showthread.php?8180-The-nVidia-GTX-680

 

[Final8ty]

You claimed AMDs performance was due to compute:



And thats pure bogus. You linked gaming performance and compute into something it wasnt.

Not really when most of the links show the AMD ahead when options that uses direct compute are turned on in the latest games, one anomaly here and there does not prove anything and of course other optimization aspects come into play hence why i said helps out.

The same merry-go-round was done with RussianSensation by the usual suspects.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34105458&postcount=160
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34109960&postcount=174
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33984962&postcount=69
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33987367&postcount=108

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/graphics/evga-geforce-gtx-680-superclocked-signature-2/07_dirt.png

 

[Final8ty]

Here you go
http://www.amdusers.com/forum/showthread.php?8180-The-nVidia-GTX-680

I was being sarcastic and i would not ask for a link to back it up unless i really was not aware.
Some people ask for links to be awkward, i didn't know of the old games using compute so i asked, but i also googled it myself and found dirt 3.
The fact is before the latest games AMD really was not highlighting the Compute and it maybe just in relation to dx11 functions than actual Compute as they would not use it heavily when the fermi NV cards were better at it at the time.

 

[Jaydip]

Cool

 

[3DVagabond]

They crippled it as much as AMD crippled the HD78xx cards. GK104 wasnt supposed to be the highend. But its performance made it otherwise.

You've repeated this twice now. It's not true.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You've repeated this twice now. It's not true.

OpenCL benchmark? Oh, you are hillarious.

Looks to me the HD78xx is crippled compared to HD79xx.

 

[Final8ty]

You've repeated this twice now. It's not true.

That's why i hate synthetics, more optimization for them and not the programs that actually get used.
Damn i may have to move over too google chrome to clean up my bad typing.

 

[3DVagabond]

OpenCL benchmark? Oh, you are hillarious.

Looks to me the HD78xx is crippled compared to HD79xx.

Oh no! Two benchmarks that the 680 keeps up with the 7870. I posted 17 to show that the 7870 is no where near as crippled as the 680. An entire OpenCL benchmark suite. Who's being hilarious?

 

[ocre]

i think that openCL just runs better on AMD HW right now. When we look at some of the apps that we can cross compare openCL to cuda (such as photoshop) then its not the same picture.

I mean for gaming, cuda does little though. But as far as compute goes, nvidia is optimized for their proprietary CUDA. I am not trying to take away AMDs victory or anything. But to further convey my point i will make a prediction that big kepler with all its compute power just wont stomp AMD in openCL. I am not saying it will necessarily be slower, i am just saying that nvidia has built their cards around CUDA and with it you will get much better results on nvidia HW.

This is how i see it. Compute is used for such a large vast landscape. There is so many applications and different routes. Really it varies from task to task. The gk104 is currently selling as a tesla card and for its specific function it is unmatched. But that doesnt make the gk104 card the one to get for everyone cause its not.

AMD cards do really well in openCL task. This is a huge improvement for them over their last generations. There is so much progress to be made in this direction its in its infancy. Nvidia is doing their own thing and while many might say they should abandon CUDA, its actually making them more money than most people could ever dream of. When its bringing in a significant portion of their profits, they would be stupid to drop it. CUDA is very specific for the task nvidia needs to make their tesla brand successful. And its making them more money every single year. Its actually multiplying profits. So i expect CUDA to stick with them for awhile.

Hopefully they will improve their OpenCL performance in time but really just about anything you need GPU acceleration for already has CUDA solutions. Anything practical like video compression and not pointless benchmarks.

But nvidia still needs to improve their DX11 specific compute functions. People would be fools to think they wont do this. If you havent noticed, nvidia goes after their shortcomings and works to improve them. I expect them to do this as long as they exist.

But for now there are task that AMD HW is better suited for. And with their current prices and bundles, i mean AMD is over the top. And with this new never settle driver, AMD just B-slapped Nvidia around like a rag doll. Its nice to see them take off their gloves. Cant wait to see the holiday deals, man 28nm is turning out to be a good fight.......