AMD prepares 1.2GHz attack :)

[NFS4]

Hehe, I kinda feel sorry for Intel


http://www.ixbt-labs.com/news/#970394720
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=14479391

 

[Sunner]

With this pace, AMD will be at 1.4 GHz by the time Willy launches.

By the way, NFS, dont you live in the same area as Anand, isnt the time there like 5 am?

 

[Michael]

The forum software stamps East Coast time. NFS4 (and Anand) is on the East Coast. Now it is 5 AM for me on the West Coast <grin>.

It will be interesting to see the new AMD chips. The real improvement I'm looking for is in the chipsets to allow us to use the full power of the new and much faster CPU's.

Michael

 

[Jonny]

Wow, AMD keeps coming on strong. Also, the Duron 800 looks pretty cool too, I love those Durons for family pc's that I build. Ultra check, darn fast.

 

[NFS4]

It's 8:07 homey

 

[Sunner]

Not quite as bad, but what are you doing out of bed at 8 am?

You should be sleeping until like 2-3 pm then wake up with a good hangover, its weekend you know

 

[NFS4]

I'm not a drinking person...just don't see the point in it. My roommate stumbled in drunk as a dog as passed out on the top bunk. That's just not the way I choose to live my life...

 

[Dan]

It's about 0510 PST and I've already been up for a couple of hours, went out and bought some batteries, gassed up the car, etc. (I have a crazy M-F work schedule; it's just easier to maintain it on the weekend.)

Now what was the topic again. Oh yeah....

AMD has always made great CPU's. Now, with Dresden going full bore, they finally have the ability to deliver the goods. And they are! Contrast that with the stumbles and tactical errors Intel has made in the past year. 2001 should be a banner year for AMD.

 

[NFS4]

The only thing stopping AMD is the .13 micron roadblock in Q2 '01:Q

 

[Sunner]

Their equipment is ready for the .13 process tech, so that shouldnt be too big a problem.
Though if demand keepd increasing maybe they'll run into supply problems while making the transition, but they could always outsource the production to IBM or TSMC.

 

[jpprod]

From several places I've read that AMD's current hi6pl lithography equipment in Dresden is upgradeable to .15m, so AMD should have a smooth transition towards smaller processes, as they don't have to hurry from .18 -> .13.

 

[NFS4]

<< Their equipment is ready for the .13 process tech, so that shouldnt be too big a problem. >>


I have been hearing from various sources that their own .13 micron plant won't be online until '02, and they will be borrowing production from IBM and TSMC for their .13 micron processes in '01


<< We won't dare predict AMD's further actions bearing in mind that the company is going to open a new factory only in 2004 and to switch to 0.13 micron manufacturing technology in 2002 at the earliest (with the help of other companies' productive capacities, such as IBM's, for instance). So, H2 2001 is most likely to be not so happy for AMD and the company may even suffer the same problems as Intel does now.

But IBM is not the only and the last chance for AMD. The company is currently negotiating with TSMC the shift to 0.13 micron technology. If they succeed, then the modified Mustang core will be able to ensure AMD's leadership in the second half of 2001 as well. >>


From iXBT Lab's September Industry Update
iXBT Monthly Hardware News Overview - September 2000

 

[OneEng]

I am away from home and don't have ready links to my information, but here it is:

AMD can transistion to .15um with the existing equipment without any major changes.

New technology has been made availible (something about phase shifting, and there is another that I can't even remember what it is called) that will allow the use of the existing lithography equipment AMD has to be used to make .13um dies.

I don't know enough about either to explain how it works.

With the way things are going for AMD and Intel, .15um should be sufficient for AMD to ramp up to around 2Ghz with the existing product. Until Intel gets SOMETHING out in a copper process, AMD will be eating their lunch.

I have not heard any estimates on the die size of Hammer, so I am not sure if it is a huge problem for production at .15um.

 

[Sunner]

Oups, was that .15?

I stand corrected.

 

[Haervii]

Cool How far can the Thunderbird core push? SInce I'm going on a Duron to Thunderbird upgrade path, it'd be great if they came out with a 1.4Ghz Tbird. Say what you will, but even when K8 and P4 come out, 1.4 Ghz will still be fast

 

[NFS4]

I think that 1.5GHz is the max with the .18 micron copper core

 

[AMDfreak]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the current .18 go a little past 1.5GHz. I've read rumors that AMD actually is building stock for 1.4 and 1.5 now because the yields are so good.

 

[Adul]

Oh what is intel to do?

Nothing for the time being!

 

[xtreme2k]

if AMD releases Tbird 1.4G RIGHT NOW
intel is going to be so dead

i think AMD should do it

 

[Mem]

Yes AMD are going full speed,if they keep this up they will be like Nvidia &amp; their Driver updates.

 

[Adul]

They are already like nvidia. The been releasing something new or revised every sixmonths.

Athlon, athlon .18 micron, thunberbird core, (future) mustang core, and mustang core at .13. nice sixmonth spacing. Well roughly that is

 

[Mem]

Adul, LOL.. you know what I meant,trust you to spoil it.

 

[JellyBaby]

Hey, who knows maybe in 5 years AMD will experience a federal anti-trust probe, which is the ultimate form of flattery for a successful company.

 

[noxipoo]

nah, they will keep cyrix around like MS keeps apple around

 

[Remnant2]

I'm sceptical about the whole TMSC fabbing thing. People who know semis (this question was asked on the ACEhardware tech forum) say that the TMSC process isn't nearly tuned for microprocessors like AMD or Intel's own fabs are; a TMSC .13 process is more like a .15 or .18 AMD or Intel process in terms of benefits of the shrink.