AMD Phenom II 550BE unleashed in Korea

[richierich1212]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Almost All penryns can Overclock well over 4ghz . So can't compare to Nehalem . I see ya want to believe . But it takes more than smoke and mirrors. Nice AMD can finally get to4ghz tho . Pretty late to that party.

lol

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Nemesis, show me an Intel quad core that costs less than $100 and can hit 4ghz using air cooling.

Oh Dam I new I goofed when I didn't say most. Your time is coming you know howwI am . But please don't lose sleep over it

Hay Beast what Gives . I just reread my post . I said MOST. That was accurate . If your Having problems with a chip send it to me . I will show you its not the chip .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Beast that price of $100 looks good until I thinkabout the coming 2 cores 32nm chips, The low end priced at $100 should be impressive compared to all AMD chips . Maybe even MAGna CORE lol. I know AMD says real men use real cores . But I will take 2 real cores with 4 real threads over AMDs products . Than you lookat cost of ownership utilities . Intel 2 core way superior.
AMD said real men have Fabs also . I see AMD real men have real cores going the same way as Real men have real fabs. For AMD . LOL

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Even tho 7ghz is neat cool wonderful . Its not 24/7 . The cost to run such a system is semi retarded and it has nothing to do with real world .

AMD Sub zero clocks 7 ghz .

Amd Water 4ghz AVERGE Differance 3 ghz

AMD Air 3.8 GHz Averge Differance . 3.2 ghz .

Intel Sub zero 5.3 Ghz DO stepping .

Intel water DO stepping Average 4.7 ghz Differance 600mhz

Intel DO air 4.5 ghz Average 4.5 ghz Differance 800mhz

Intel clearly has best silcon as they can get closer to Subzero GHZ on water and Air .

Intels differantical is 800/600mhz AMDs differantial is 3/3.3 ghz / Hugh differance . AMDs 7 ghz looks good But its nothing more than smoke and mirrors

Don't make me buy a 975 . LOL

So because Intel's Nehalem has lower scalability (unable to clock much higher on LN2, than it does on air or water... that's somehow "better"? What kind of world do you live in, Nem? You really need to put down those rose-colored Intel glasses and join the rest of the world.

(Edit: I'll make this simpler to understand. Intel's design hits architectural limits, before it hits thermal limits. AMD's chip apparently does not, therefore AMD's architecture is superior in terms of scalability. Real simple.)

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Even tho 7ghz is neat cool wonderful . Its not 24/7 . The cost to run such a system is semi retarded and it has nothing to do with real world .

AMD Sub zero clocks 7 ghz .

Amd Water 4ghz AVERGE Differance 3 ghz

AMD Air 3.8 GHz Averge Differance . 3.2 ghz .

Intel Sub zero 5.3 Ghz DO stepping .

Intel water DO stepping Average 4.7 ghz Differance 600mhz

Intel DO air 4.5 ghz Average 4.5 ghz Differance 800mhz

Intel clearly has best silcon as they can get closer to Subzero GHZ on water and Air .

Intels differantical is 800/600mhz AMDs differantial is 3/3.3 ghz / Hugh differance . AMDs 7 ghz looks good But its nothing more than smoke and mirrors

Don't make me buy a 975 . LOL

So because Intel's Nehalem has lower scalability (unable to clock much higher on LN2, than it does on air or water... that's somehow "better"? What kind of world do you live in, Nem? You really need to put down those rose-colored Intel glasses and join the rest of the world.

(Edit: I'll make this simpler to understand. Intel's design hits architectural limits, before it hits thermal limits. AMD's chip apparently does not, therefore AMD's architecture is superior in terms of scalability. Real simple.)

Not to be disrespectful . But for you to say PH11 scales better than nehalem is an out and out lie . Sub zero on gas is not scalability.

Scalability is 24/7 operation not 10 min runs LOL. Try running that cpu at those v. for 1 complete day. Intel is far far more scaleable as your about to find out. The 975is way better than 965



"Intel is reporting at least a 22 percent performance increase clock for clock over their 45nm process, and there are still many steppings to go before they go to market. Westmere also has seven new instructions, designed for accelerating encryption and decryption algorithms.

That 2 core is looking beastly. 22 % performance increase over 45 at same clock . That on first silly . So look for at least 25 % performance increase per clock over 45nm nehalem

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Beast that price of $100 looks good until I thinkabout the coming 2 cores 32nm chips, The low end priced at $100 should be impressive compared to all AMD chips . Maybe even MAGna CORE lol. I know AMD says real men use real cores . But I will take 2 real cores with 4 real threads over AMDs products . Than you lookat cost of ownership utilities . Intel 2 core way superior.
AMD said real men have Fabs also . I see AMD real men have real cores going the same way as Real men have real fabs. For AMD . LOL

Ok, I can see a pattern forming here but I will ask anyway: what is the "cost of ownership utilities"? Are you talking about power consumption?

The AMD Phenom 2's are much cheaper overall compared to the i5 for anyone who currently owns an AM2/AM2+/AM3 motherboard.

The problem with this discussion is that we are comparing vaporware to vaporware.

BTW I don't have any problems with any of my processors. I sense that you are having issues with one of yours but I think you need tatamir's help with that.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The problem with this discussion is that we are comparing vaporware to vaporware.

Kinda sums up 80-90% of CPU and Video forum threads :laugh:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The problem with this discussion is that we are comparing vaporware to vaporware.

Kinda sums up 80-90% of CPU and Video forum threads :laugh:

Yes, and it leads to problems, doesn't it?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Soleron

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

If your overclocker 4 ghz PHII doesn't look so hot . Its only a 200mhz increase from befor. AMD is saved new price performance leader if you don't overclock the same value Intel processor Almost All penryns can Overclock well over 4ghz . So can't compare to Nehalem . I see ya want to believe . But it takes more than smoke and mirrors. Nice AMD can finally get to4ghz tho . Pretty late to that party.

Are you talking stock? It's 3.1GHz stock. If you meant overclocking, the Phenom IIs can regularly reach 4GHz on air and, to prove it's not the CPU that's the limit here, 7GHz on LN2. Which is higher than Nehalem or Core can get to.

You do relize that it works Not the way your saying. By going to 7ghz on subzero gas. and not being able to get past 4ghz on air not much further on water proves it is the cpu . Chip shuts down because of heat without subzero kooling .

But 7 ghz is Good . I am happy for AMD . But its just not good enough . AMD has to clock higher on air water . I will take notice than . But ya know what . Does it matter really . I am excited . I have 2 good Nehalems here mine and wifes . There Good . I have a regular PH guess what . Its good to . My webber is a p4c . guess what its good to .

But I haven't been this excited since Dothan . After I get My retail 2core 4 threader clarky clown webber I doubt I will use the 4 core unit at all . Other than documents . I will swith to gaming on the webber .

5ghz stable on water just be so much fun . For me to get excited is saying something.

As I see it . Buy what ever you want. AMD good . Intels good . I know I won't make same mistakes I did with p4 if Intel should lose performance crown . Iwon't try to build intel up . Chances of that happening in my lifetime is about zero. So when it happens heres a on me .

For the record . Lets not forget it was me defending AMd after PH came out . There was no good reson for it . Other than I felt immersion might solve a few of amds problems . But when AMD started Showing Off Compressed gas O/Cs at 6ghz+ There was all this talk of high Air O/Cs I was excited . Again AMD slipped a mickey in the Drink and didn't deliver the 4ghz they said they could . WAlK the WALK . not Talk the talk .

Intels been pretty right on with what they say . But let them hype lie. You watch how fast I call them on it . I am setting on this 23% clock for clock improvement from nehalem to westmere 32nm . That came from intel .

They better deliver. Or you will think the devil got in me , as to how quickly on turn on the hype liar.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Un related. 6 years ago I was pretty good gamer. Today if ya played online with me you would roller and die laughing . I get so pissed . I can't move fast so I get angry . To get kills I have resort to veral intemadation LOL. My wife said to me one night . What ya gone do if one of those 12 year olds shows up at door . I said I guess I will take an ass whipping

 

[Idontcare]

If a 12yr old shows up at your house to wipe your ass you should be thankful, or rather your wife should be thankful :laugh:

I think you mean ass whooping

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Beast that price of $100 looks good until I thinkabout the coming 2 cores 32nm chips, The low end priced at $100 should be impressive compared to all AMD chips . Maybe even MAGna CORE lol. I know AMD says real men use real cores . But I will take 2 real cores with 4 real threads over AMDs products . Than you lookat cost of ownership utilities . Intel 2 core way superior.
AMD said real men have Fabs also . I see AMD real men have real cores going the same way as Real men have real fabs. For AMD . LOL

Ok, I can see a pattern forming here but I will ask anyway: what is the "cost of ownership utilities"? Are you talking about power consumption?

The AMD Phenom 2's are much cheaper overall compared to the i5 for anyone who currently owns an AM2/AM2+/AM3 motherboard.

The problem with this discussion is that we are comparing vaporware to vaporware.

BTW I don't have any problems with any of my processors. I sense that you are having issues with one of yours but I think you need tatamir's help with that.

Yes. My that was easy.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
If a 12yr old shows up at your house to wipe your ass you should be thankful, or rather your wife should be thankful :laugh:

I think you mean ass whooping

Ya:laugh: Fixed

 

[Nemesis 1]

I would like to put this out on to the floor.

What if intel did this very same thing . Would EU applaud intel or Fine intel yet again . For not deactavating bad cores.

I guess will find out if the EU finds 2cure 4 threaded 32nm Clarky clown amusing . I most certainly do .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Nemesis, show me an Intel quad core that costs less than $100 and can hit 4ghz using air cooling.

Fair is fair . Show me a $100 4core AMD cpu. YOUR not referring to this one . Unless AMD is guarnteeing all cores activate.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Nemesis, show me an Intel quad core that costs less than $100 and can hit 4ghz using air cooling.

Fair is fair . Show me a $100 4core AMD cpu. YOUR not referring to this one . Unless AMD is guarnteeing all cores activate.

THe possibility is what's enticing. Your response misses the point entirely.

 

[Nemesis 1]

No it doesn't. OK I take a chance .On ban.

THE choice is evil . None want amd to go broke many will defend her in forum debates with a passion . Than AMD comes out with a broken chip that can activate these bad cores. Yet its Great . But not all activate so people will by with hopes of getting something for nothing and cheat AMD out of higher margin product .

People buying with this in mind are in my view thieves . I would not want these customers . Than you have people will advise to RMA if ya get a chip that cores don't reactivate. I am sorry if I am out of line as to what the majority might feel about this. But I don't care . You people who want 4 core AMD but buy these in hopes of lucking out in my view are BAD fanbois who I would not want in my camp . Shameful Customers. BAD BAD BAD.

Quite enough about what you think about our fellow members here Nemesis 1.

You have at least a week to decide whether you can keep on topic in forum threads and stop driving members up the walls.. Up for mod review for more time off. - Keysplayr

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I would not want these customers .

Yep. I don't think Intel is going to try and woo those customers over to become their support nightmares either.

Kind of like the office joke where everyone agrees that the company would better off if person XYZ actually quit and went to work for the competition. I can recall a few choice coworkers that I was willing to pay to go work for the competition, at least then they'd stand a chance of helping us by dragging the competition down :laugh:

It's a sad reflection on life, but that doesn't make it any less true. Sprint started kicking away those customers too a while back. No business wants the customers that are going to be a net loss to the bottom line, they'd much rather those customers went to the competition.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
No it doesn't. OK I take a chance .On ban.

THE choice is evil . None want amd to go broke many will defend her in forum debates with a passion . Than AMD comes out with a broken chip that can activate these bad cores. Yet its Great . But not all activate so people will by with hopes of getting something for nothing and cheat AMD out of higher margin product .

People buying with this in mind are in my view thieves . I would not want these customers . Than you have people will advise to RMA if ya get a chip that cores don't reactivate. I am sorry if I am out of line as to what the majority might feel about this. But I don't care . You people who want 4 core AMD but buy these in hopes of lucking out in my view are BAD fanbois who I would not want in my camp . Shameful Customers. BAD BAD BAD.

Quite enough about what you think about our fellow members here Nemesis 1.

You have at least a week to decide whether you can keep on topic in forum threads and stop driving members up the walls.. Up for mod review for more time off. - Keysplayr

I guess you don't approve of overclocking either?

 

[magreen]

Oh come on, take it easy on Nem. He had me rolling in this thread, especially that bit about real men, real cores and real fabs. Lol.

He was actually more lucid than usual in this thread, and made a few good points along with his ramblings. Without him, this forum is like a Corona without the lime.

Now the OP, on the other hand, with his incessant blatant fanboyism straight out of amdzone, is a different story altogether.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: magreen
Oh come on, take it easy on Nem. He had me rolling in this thread, especially that bit about real men, real cores and real fabs. Lol.

He was actually more lucid than usual in this thread, and made a few good points along with his ramblings. Without him, this forum is like a Corona without the lime.

Now the OP, on the other hand, with his incessant blatant fanboyism straight out of amdzone, is a different story altogether.

It is a touchy subject it seems. We enjoy calling software pirates the scum of the earth, IP robbers, etc. We skewer anyone who broaches the subject of warez sites, etc.

We are equally self-righteous when it comes to posters who imply they intend to abuse their warranty on a fried OC'ed chip too.

But if someone buys a chip to then unlock it and avoid buying the full-fledged product from the manufacturer it is somehow taboo to talk about the ethical choices involved there.

I learned something though, gonna stay the f outa this thread after I finish making this very post! :laugh:

 

[Dravic]

apple to oranges man...

1. Pirate = no money to manufacturer = stealing
2. Fried overclock RMA = no money to the manufacturer for a new chip = fraud

3. unlock cores/pipelines = manufacture received full payment for their product. I now own the product and are free to do with it as I please, including running it out of spec and therefore voiding my warranty... leading us back to #2.

Modding is not stealing.. there are manufacturing process that can stop these practices like laser cutting, but they increase cost of manufacture. Do you think they don't know this, and aren't enjoying the PR from the less then 1% who will perform these mods?

 

[aigomorla]

dude u dont know how many times i wanted to post a face palm in this post.

And AMD already has the value crown... no need to rejustify it..

however performance crown is what people usually want because of GREED and that isnt AMD territory yet
(stock or overclocked. Maybe AMD can get performance crown if both systems were turned off because the AMD costed less). :X

And incase you havent been following intel, has been hitting 4ghz with a good board, great cooling and performance ram since X6800 (Yr 2006).

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Nemesis, show me an Intel quad core that costs less than $100 and can hit 4ghz using air cooling.

Fair is fair . Show me a $100 4core AMD cpu. YOUR not referring to this one . Unless AMD is guarnteeing all cores activate.

My "quad core" AMD was $119...

 

[aigomorla]

Meh... its not fair unlocking 2 cores to get 4.

Also not all cpu's do that, if you want to do that, then lets toss used C0/C1 i7 920's which people are pwning off from anyhwere between 130-150.

You can get the 920 for 199 at microcenter new.

So no hacked / Modified / Used proccessors, or the i7 920 used dominates.