AMD OWNS 100% MARKET SHARE OF 64 BIT COMPUTING.

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Wingznut... as someone who actually has some sort of qualification to provide some insight into this question... what do you think of synthetic diamond being used as a semi-conductor in the future?

Obviously cost is the main concern... Not just cost of the materials directly, but also the costs associated with mass manufacturing. And it's pretty much impossible to predict how they'll be able to cope with native defects (inherant in the material).

I think it's more likely that diamond will be used within the silicon somehow. Either as a substrate or maybe even an insulator in the substrate like SOI.

Although we always hear the cries of Si reaching it's last legs, I don't think that's true for at least another 15-20 years. Maybe longer.

I know you're not an expert, but from an engineering standpoint, what kind of temperatures would just be too hot to use in a home computer? I mean, obviously, even if the CPU could handle it, ya can't really have a processor that runs 600 degrees C sitting on your desktop.

That's a tough one, and your guess is probably as good as mine. I will say that I see some people on these forums freaking out over the rumored 100w+ of Prescott. Well, you probably ought to get used to it. CPU's are going to get hotter and hotter. It wouldn't surprise me if someday they were regulated by the heat they produce rather than clockspeed.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Winnutz who's fab plant do you work for?

I presume you are asking which fab I work at. Why do you ask?

You'll have to understand that I'm a bit skeptical as to why someone who hates Intel (and doesn't seem to like me very much) is asking for my personal info.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Who's fab plant do you work for? Why is answering a question so difficult for you?

I find it amazing when I asked you to name one processor running over 100watts you couldnt name 1 single CPU?

LOL.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Who's fab plant do you work for? Why is answering a question so difficult for you?

I find it amazing when I asked you to name one processor running over 100watts you couldnt name 1 single CPU?

LOL.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Who's fab plant do you work for? Why is answering a question so difficult for you?

I find it amazing when I asked you to name one processor running over 100watts you couldnt name 1 single CPU?

Since you don't seem to listen very well, I'll simply cut and paste the same answer I gave the last time you brought this up...

"And I never answered your question about 100w cpu's because you twisted my words around. I told you that the discussion would be over if you continued to do so, and I stood by that. (Not to mention that others already provided examples, but you proceeded to ignore those.)"

I am not answering the question about my personal info, because I simply don't understand your motive in wanting to know. Let's just say that it wouldn't be the first time that an AMD zealot on this msg board has threatened to undermine my employment.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Who's fab plant do you work for? Why is answering a question so difficult for you?

I find it amazing when I asked you to name one processor running over 100watts you couldnt name 1 single CPU?

LOL.

An overclocked AthlonXP at 2.4 Ghz on 1.85 volts.

 

[Jeff7181]

Obviously cost is the main concern... Not just cost of the materials directly, but also the costs associated with mass manufacturing. And it's pretty much impossible to predict how they'll be able to cope with native defects (inherant in the material).

I don't think I still have the Wired magazine I read the article in... but there is a place that is creating perfect, synthetic yellow diamonds. Many jewlers were asked to examine it, and most said it was a real diamond. And a few were skeptical because they couldn't find ANY flaws in it. And nature doesn't make things that are absolutely perfect and pure. So the author of the article came to the conclusion that the only way these synthetic diamonds could be identified is that they're too perfect.
So... that being said... I don't think defects would be a flaw... unless you know something about it that I don't. I can see cost being an issue, having to buy new equipment to manufacture them... but apparently, they're so cheap to make, if they started doing it on a large scale, or more that one place started doing it, the cost would be fairly small.
It's interesting to say the least... although I suspect these synthetic diamonds would find their way into industrial use and jewlrey WAY before being used in CPU's.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

No you said there were many more 100watt cpu's out there released in field but you didnt know of any off the top of your head.

I find that very funny with you working for a fab plant that cant recall one single cpu released to the home market above 100 watts. So keep posting your escape route.

Since you wont answer the question. (Surprise)
I guess we can say you work at a fab plant of Intel's. Probably Itanic because your defiantly not busy making CPU's.

So tell me how many Itanics have sold now that Opterons are here.

As far as Diamonds in semiconductors as I recall the process of making diamonds is very easy and could be done using peanut butter and an industrial microwave and something else. This doesnt produce diamonds of a size that are wearable but was a major consideration in the auto industry for it heat and friction abilities for use in cylinder walls of an engine. I recall talk of it in the semi industry bit have not heard anything in years. Not sure who if anyone is experimenting with the technology. I think Japan or China was the pioneer back then.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
No you said there were many more 100watt cpu's out there released in field but you didnt know of any off the top of your head.

I find that very funny with you working for a fab plant that cant recall one single cpu released to the home market above 100 watts. So keep posting your escape route.

Nope, that's not what I said.

 

[OddTSi]

Will a moderator please do everyone here a favor and lock this thread and possibly even ban ticktanium2038?

 

[Ticktanium2038]

For what? Upsetting the Intel supporters with a reality check?

I put in an analysis of a the future that makes perfect sense to those who arent as biased as Intel Only people.

I am sorry if it offends you that AMD is making a superior move toward becoming a market leader and that Intel workers (WingNutz) are franticly trying to dismiss my postings with FUD.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
For what? Upsetting the Intel supporters with a reality check?

I put in an analysis of a the future that makes perfect sense to those who arent as biased as Intel Only people.

I am sorry if it offends you that AMD is making a superior move toward becoming a market leader and that Intel workers (WingNutz) are franticly trying to dismiss my postings with FUD.

I have come into this thread as a supporter of AMD but also as someone very angry with YOU, ticktanium.

Wingznut is a honest and good member of AT and doesn't speak lies when it comes to the company he works for. You need the reality check; AMD is still way behind in general marketshare and doesn't have near the same amount of money to throw around that Intel does.

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: OddTSi
Will a moderator please do everyone here a favor and lock this thread and possibly even ban ticktanium2038?

 

[Ticktanium2038]

It amazes me how specific detailed one must be in this group. One cannot offer perspective without being critisized for it. I offer a possible future that no one has focused attention on. Take it or leave it but offer decent compelling information instead of dismissing information.

But instead everything is a Intel vs AMD flame war with everyone taking this stuff way to personal.

I am sorry but wignuts is a biased intel represenative of his company and will stop at nothing to dismiss what is a possible future for AMD.

I offer an insight into AMD selling Opterons/Athlon64's/Hammers as 32 bit cpu's and with a possible 1 million plus strong by mid next year that its an excellent opportunity for software developers to harness the potential of reaching those looking for applications enhanced for this cpu. With that AMD has a market share potentially near the 100% area in the x86 64 bit area. Simply because no one is selling 64 bit cpu's anywhere remotely close to AMD right now despite not having a 64 bit operating system.

Thats all this thread is about until the Intel Friends choose the thread to be a war zone instead of a place of debate over the possibilty that it may work out this way.

FACT: As of right now AMD is leading the 64 bit revolution despite all previously sold and selling 64 bit CPU's. That makes them the leader. And with every day a Hammer is sold its creating a larger and larger gap for those to catch up with AMD. To the point where it will be near impossible to catch amd because they will have a market base of a million plus over time before anyone else is marketing an equivelent cpu.

 

[RamIt]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK

Originally posted by: OddTSi
Will a moderator please do everyone here a favor and lock this thread and possibly even ban ticktanium2038?

 

[Jeff7181]

As far as Diamonds in semiconductors as I recall the process of making diamonds is very easy and could be done using peanut butter and an industrial microwave and something else. This doesnt produce diamonds of a size that are wearable but was a major consideration in the auto industry for it heat and friction abilities for use in cylinder walls of an engine. I recall talk of it in the semi industry bit have not heard anything in years. Not sure who if anyone is experimenting with the technology. I think Japan or China was the pioneer back then.

There's a company in New York I believe that has been experimenting with making diamonds using a completely different process than any other diamond manufacturer. They are perfect because they're created in a controlled environment, and there's something about the manufacturing process that prevent any impurities from getting in the diamond. They say they "grow" diamonds at the molecular level. I wish I could find that article... I'd scan it for people to read... but it's definately not your run of the mill industrial grade synthetic diamond.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

I noticed all asking for the lock/ban are running Intel machines. Biased?

 

[Jeff7181]

I found the article on Wired's website. Have a look.

*EDIT* And it was Florida, not New York... my mistake =)

**EDIT** Actually... the manufacurer I was referring to is in Boston... my mistake again =)

***EDIT*** Interesting quote from the article...

The diamond industry is in fact even more concerned about gems made using chemical vapor deposition than it is about Gemesis stones, though Gemesis poses a more immediate threat. The promise of CVD is that it produces extremely pure crystal. Gemesis diamonds grow in a metal solvent, and tiny particles of those metals get caught in the diamond lattice as it grows. CVD diamond precipitates as nearly 100 percent pure diamond and therefore may not be discernible from naturals, no matter how advanced the detection equipment.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
It amazes me how specific detailed one must be in this group. One cannot offer perspective without being critisized for it. I offer a possible future that no one has focused attention on. Take it or leave it but offer decent compelling information instead of dismissing information.

But instead everything is a Intel vs AMD flame war with everyone taking this stuff way to personal.

I am sorry but wignuts is a biased intel represenative of his company and will stop at nothing to dismiss what is a possible future for AMD.

I offer an insight into AMD selling Opterons/Athlon64's/Hammers as 32 bit cpu's and with a possible 1 million plus strong by mid next year that its an excellent opportunity for software developers to harness the potential of reaching those looking for applications enhanced for this cpu. With that AMD has a market share potentially near the 100% area in the x86 64 bit area. Simply because no one is selling 64 bit cpu's anywhere remotely close to AMD right now despite not having a 64 bit operating system.

Thats all this thread is about until the Intel Friends choose the thread to be a war zone instead of a place of debate over the possibilty that it may work out this way.

FACT: As of right now AMD is leading the 64 bit revolution despite all previously sold and selling 64 bit CPU's. That makes them the leader. And with every day a Hammer is sold its creating a larger and larger gap for those to catch up with AMD. To the point where it will be near impossible to catch amd because they will have a market base of a million plus over time before anyone else is marketing an equivelent cpu.

Leader in 64bit, sure. Leader of the market as a whole? Most certainly not, far from it.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
It amazes me how specific detailed one must be in this group. One cannot offer perspective without being critisized for it. I offer a possible future that no one has focused attention on. Take it or leave it but offer decent compelling information instead of dismissing information.

But instead everything is a Intel vs AMD flame war with everyone taking this stuff way to personal.

I am sorry but wignuts is a biased intel represenative of his company and will stop at nothing to dismiss what is a possible future for AMD.

I offer an insight into AMD selling Opterons/Athlon64's/Hammers as 32 bit cpu's and with a possible 1 million plus strong by mid next year that its an excellent opportunity for software developers to harness the potential of reaching those looking for applications enhanced for this cpu. With that AMD has a market share potentially near the 100% area in the x86 64 bit area. Simply because no one is selling 64 bit cpu's anywhere remotely close to AMD right now despite not having a 64 bit operating system.

Thats all this thread is about until the Intel Friends choose the thread to be a war zone instead of a place of debate over the possibilty that it may work out this way.

FACT: As of right now AMD is leading the 64 bit revolution despite all previously sold and selling 64 bit CPU's. That makes them the leader. And with every day a Hammer is sold its creating a larger and larger gap for those to catch up with AMD. To the point where it will be near impossible to catch amd because they will have a market base of a million plus over time before anyone else is marketing an equivelent cpu.

Leader in 64bit, sure. Leader of the market as a whole? Most certainly not, far from it.

 

[AnMig]

no wonder my AMD Stock is doing so well

My ATI stock however is dead in the water

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Excelsior
Yes absolutely. Amd only makes up 20% of the total market today.
That we are talking about the 32 bit and under areas.

But for 64 bit despite not having the Windows OS available to the public yet it is the King and is selling.

My point isnt even for the market share to change much. Even if it doesnt change and stays at 20% at some point someone will realize there are a ton of 64 bit capable CPU's in need of software.

When it comes time to embrace 64 bit AMD will already be a deeply penetrated CPU that other will have to try and sell thier 64 bit Cpu's to compete with AMD.

Since it all seems to hinge on Microsoft and linux. Its a pretty big win to know that Microsoft has embraced the Opteron and that it will be supported in Windows XP64, 2003 Server for Opteron and Longhorn for Opteron.

Microsoft has not yet announced support for Yamhill and I suspect Microsoft may drop Itanium Support because of the poor sales. Adding another OS to the mix makes it a support nightmare for Microsoft and I dont see them supporting so many platforms.

This means Intel Might have to liscence technology from AMD. Then Intel will have to produce a CPU that is not only compatible with existing Operating systems but must then attempt to outperform Opteron in 64 bit modes.

These are very exciting days and seriously we could see a reversal of leaders going into the 64 bit arena.

I dont count out Intel but they need to do something very very fast before they have to compete with 1 million+ Opteron customer base.

 

[Jeff7181]

This means Intel Might have to liscence technology from AMD.

The way I understand it, that is untrue. Intel and AMD have an agreement about things of that sort... that is how AMD was able to include SSE2 in the Opteron and Athlon-64's.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Intel liscenced SSE2 to AMD. Who knows why? Maybe just to keep the FTC off thier backs. Intel needed AMD to be strong. i think they got more than they bargained for.

Where it would get real interesting is if AMD added in its own SSE type of code. Of course it would have to be something more robust than their current 3D Now technology. If good enough then Intel would have to liscence it from them if it gave AMD an advantage and developers adopted the propretary code.

But I actually have to say I dont see that happening. AMD is not that smart.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

This is a different method from the way I remember but for fun if your bored make some diamonds.

http://www.rangeguide.net/diamonds.htm