AMD or Intel?, what way should I go??

[Zephyr]

Dexion:


<< Probably more nonsense elsewhere. >>


yes.. at AMDzone.. but it was deleted I think

 

[JoeDaddy]

But if Quake 3 is the exception now, what about games that come out 6 months from now, that use SSE2 and are more complex. Then again that is 6 months from now and no one can tell the future.

 

[Zephyr]

<< But if Quake 3 is the exception now, what about games that come out 6 months from now, that use SSE2 and are more complex.Then again that is 6 months from now and no one can tell the future. >>


Still a moot point cos 6 months from now the vid. card will still be the bottleneck

 

[Priit]

SSE2 support or not, P4 will never be good all-around CPU. SSE2's 144 (probably wrong number, can't remember for sure) extra instructions doesn't substitute ALL x86 instruction set. When CPU performs badly in 80% of software not optimized for it then you can't expect a miracle out of SIMD, too. I think even in future, P4 will perform acceptably in (mostly FPS) games fully optimized for it and some specific apps that need huge memory bandwith and can use SIMD for something but still sucks running anything else. People, who want to do little more with their computer than just play some stupid FPS games or encode pirated DVD's will go with AMD (unless they are blinded by Intel's propaganda).

 

[JoeDaddy]

Mmmm FPS games and pirated dvd's...got me all hot and steamy just thinking about it.



<< You are wrong, Q3A is the exception not the rule, if you do not believe me check out UT &amp; expendable scores right here form Anands own review of the P4http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1360&amp;p=18 Besides the whole point I'm trying to get acroos is that your gaming preformance mainly depends on your vid. card.
>>

Does Anand have any 1024x768 or higher benches?

 

[Zephyr]

only for Q3A, but it's irelevant since the Tbird wins both UT and expandable even in 640x480...
I think it's safe to assume that these two in 1024x768 would be a tie like they are in Q3A, since it is the vid. card that is bottleneck in all of these applications.
Sure it's interesting to see wich cpu functions better in low res. since it's the only way to actually measure anything, but to base a what to buy decision on it is rather foolish IMHO, since in the reolutions youd actually be using you wouldn't utilize whatever theoretical SSE2 based advantage the P4 may have. Same holds true for the PIII btw. If I were an Intel zealot I'd rather get a PIII 1GHz than a P4. (fortunately I'm not and I can laugh all the way to the bank over it )

 

[NOS440]

Hate ta tell ya guy's but UT rocks with the P-4 the thing you have to do to see its Potential is turn on all th eye candy with the Ultra and while playing at 1078 X 764 @32 bit with all details on High the Timedemo statistics say I average 132 FPS this is on while I'm playing. The Benchmarks don't tell the whole story here. I have no proof to base this on other than feel of the game. But I swear it keeps the frame rates Higher or at peek at all times. I believe this is because of the Memory Bandwidth and the 400 mhz Bus. My nephew who has a Athlon was over the first night I had mine setup and he could not believe the difference he was almost unbeatable on every server we were on playing Quake 3 and UT. Just to provoke the T-Bird crowd we named him Pentuim 4 1708 mhz. I believe the T-Bird guy's were giving it there all to beat him. My experience with the P-4 is that it just plainly is way smoother than any other processor out there.

 

[NOS440]

Oh Zephyr I see you have another Opponent in are sick little relationship here

 

[NOS440]

Here a nice little tid bit of news i just read The P-4 is going to steam roll over the T-Bird .........








<< A Merrill Lynch report indicates that Intel Corp. is willing to cut margins and profits to see that Pentium 4 chips maintain a dominant role in the PC chip market. Previous estimates, from a number of sources, put P4 totals for 2001 around 15 million, but Intel has reportedly told OEMs that it will deliver 18 million to 20 million P4s in 2001. The same report also says that the pace of speed competition between Intel and Advanced Micro Devices will slow in the coming year. >>

 

[NOS440]

Not a good all around CPU hmmmmmmm I seemed to do everything with blazing speed on mine ????

 

[Zephyr]

<< Oh Zephyr I see you have another Opponent in are sick little relationship here >>


*ROTFL* yes it would seem you have found a fellow zealot (to use one of your own fave expressions) .. oh well it all adds to the fun


<< Not a good all around CPU hmmmmmmm I seemed to do everything with blazing speed on mine ???? >>


hmm.. guess I was wrong... believing the benchmarks from review sites... they must all be biased to make the P4 look bad, now since NOS the almighty autority of product reviewing (we're talking about someone who can't even get a AMD751 to work here ) say it's fast it sure much be at least double as fast as the Tbird (after all it's just a lowly AMD cheap chip right )
...now if you'll all have me excused I'll go sell my mother so I can afford a P4.. BBL

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr your hurting me dude !!!!!!!!! I never said it was twice as fast I just think its a Better balance system then the T-Bird or the P-3. Yes I believe in most basic apps it is no faster But by the same token it is more than fast enough for most users in all areas and when ya fire up a game It really shines with smoothness of silk never hungry for memory bandwidth. I do not think that at the price of it for most users at this point its a great buy. All I'm saying is it will be very dominent on the market very soon and much more affordable and then everyone will be jumping at it.

 

[Buddabudda]

132 fps in UT Nos? You're joking, or using really bad sarcasm right?

 

[Compellor]

<< All I'm saying is it will be very dominent on the market very soon and much more affordable and then everyone will be jumping at it. >>



LOL! Are you kidding? With the current price of the P4, Rambus, and an 850 mobo, it will be another year before it becomes dominant and accepted in the mainstream. By then, AMD will have something better/faster -- and cheaper. Yes, prices will drop, but not enough in the near future to make it a &quot;standard&quot; system to OEM's. Dell is probably the only company that will try to fully push it to the market. Dell -- as well as all PC makers -- are currently hurting since the market is already oversaturated with PC's. I just don't see the P4 as a viable option except maybe to the server market. The village idiot consumer won't pay the high price for a P4 (Celerons/Durons are good enough for browsing the web, gaming, etc.), and I doubt the PC enthusiast will either. Predict all you want NOS440, but the P4 isn't going to win any awards.

 

[Zephyr]

<< Zephyr your hurting me dude !!!!!!!!! >>


What's the matter? You can go about calling everybody who do not agree with you for zealots but can't take a bit of sarcasm?


<< I never said it was twice as fast I just think its a Better balance system then the T-Bird or the P-3. >>


If case you failed to pick up on my sarcasm it was a balant overstatement to emphasize my point.


<< Yes I believe in most basic apps it is no faster But by the same token it is more than fast enough for most users in all areas and when ya fire up a game It really shines with smoothness of silk never hungry for memory bandwidth. >>


Do you play much in 640x480?


<< I do not think that at the price of it for most users at this point its a great buy. >>


I would have used the word &quot;ripoff&quot; but basically we agree for once.


<< All I'm saying is it will be very dominent on the market very soon and much more affordable and then everyone will be jumping at it. >>


We'll just have to see about that won't we then... when AMD gets SOI rolling strong indications are that they should be able to compete in terms of clockspeed with even the hyberpipelined P4, but without sacrificing the short pipelines of the K7. AMD has a very strong product lineup also in the future, they're hardly gonna sit on their behinds and wait for Intel to make the P4 competitative.

 

[gtd2000]

Well can I just say everybody had a point when it was PIII vs K6-2/3 on going for Intel even on $$$ - but look at the Duron/Athlon...VS PIII....basically equal but a lot less $$$...what will they bring out the bag for P4?

 

[HammondB3]

Oh......why don't you two just go f$ck and get it over with.


AMD... Intel...Who cares? Both are great.

 

[HammondB3]

Jusssssssss kiddin guys.

Anyway this banter has been an interesting read in parts.

Me? I use Intel only...but that is just because I fall into the small user base of DAW owners (digital audio workstation) and the instructions and support I prefer are there with the intel.

Games are last on my list...no time, but if I was a gamer...I may choose amd (cheaper)

buh-bye

 

[Priit]

Guys like HammondB3 make sense, guys like NOS440 doesn't (no offence). I've heard about incompabilities of VIA chipsets and high-end sndcards so there's no point recommending T-bird over P3 until those issues are fixed (event thougt how well it performs in SoundForge, but It's probably not prof. program, too). In home computers for gaming, linux servers and 3D graph. editing machines are T-birds in right place...

 

[Zephyr]

<< I fall into the small user base of DAW owners (digital audio workstation) and the instructions and support I prefer are there with the intel. >>


No offence, but would you mind explaning further what you mean by that? That the apps you use are SSE optimized? (in in that case which apps?) Thank you in advance

 

[DarkMajiq]

Wow, I can't believe this topic is still going!

<< I do not think that at the price of it for most users at this point its a great buy. >> (NOS440)


<< I would have used the word &quot;ripoff&quot; but basically we agree for once. >> (Zephyr)

Wow... What's going on here... has hell frozen over?!?

 

[JoeDaddy]

Yes hell has frozen over. Now lets see if AMD trys to meet Intels price drop.

Whhheee

 

[Zephyr]

<< Yes hell has frozen over. Now lets see if AMD trys to meet Intels price drop. >>


Actually they don't really need to.. AMD is still better value than Intel even if they do nothing. I think AMD will release the Tbird 1300 before they cut the prices even further in order to stay on track for their $100 ASP goal. Just that's just my personal speculations

 

[Biggs]

Look up here.

 

[NOS440]

Intel is going to run over AMD like a bad habit. I love it when I'm right LOL!!!!!!!!!


Buddabudda No I'm not kidding that is what it averages when I'm paying no lie
I have no idea what the reviewer were doing.


Compellor Are ya choking on your words ! prices are dropping like a rock and Intel is after AMD blood !!!!!!!

Zephyr
Let me state this Again even if it wasn't any faster I know for a fact that in games It s alot smoother. I'm not being my normal Zealot here I'm telling you this thing is awesome at Quake 3 and UT.


As far as AMD sitting on there butts they better get moving because Intel isn't playing no games here there pulling out the stops and gunning to retake the market with a vengence !!!!!!


JoeDaddy If AND meets the Price drop by those margains you can bet that we will see them Bankrupt by years end.


I just want to officially thank AMD for being here to drive the prices down for the clearly better products from Intel. I sure do appreciate all you suckers for buying that stuff just kidding guy's