AMD on track for launch of Kaveri in February 2014

[inf64]

No it wasn't but you can think whatever you want. And remember, there is no "APU" in PS4 and Xbox1 either, don't let Sony, MS and AMD lie to you. It's a powerpc running a x86 emulator in real time

 

[NTMBK]

And remember, there is no "APU" in PS4 and Xbox1 either, don't let Sony, MS and AMD lie to you. It's a powerpc running a x86 emulator in real time

Come on, don't resort to trolling.

 

[inf64]

Why trolling? He is making claims that he forgets. He now claims the quad channel IMC is not there and that it's fantasy, even though we had captures from previous versions of SOG for 3rd gen Bulldozer showing that it is there(under NDA but that didn't stop BSN*). He claimed that there is no APU in PS4 and Xb1 and never admitted he was wrong. That topic was very "hot". You see no problems here?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why trolling? He is making claims that he forgets. He now claims the quad channel IMC is not there and that it's fantasy, even though we had captures from previous versions of SOG for 3rd gen Bulldozer showing that it is there(under NDA but that didn't stop BSN*). He claimed that there is no APU in PS4 and Xb1 and never admitted he was wrong. You see no problems here?

And you claimed Kaveri will have quadchannel and come in 3M/6T. Not to mention the classic FX statements and so on.

Please, dont try and throw rocks when you live in a glasshouse.

So lets drop the childish trolling posts.

 

[schmuckley]

1366, that a bit long in the tooth at this point, and not really that cheap for a good chip and motherboard (which are a bit hard to find)**. It's adequate for me for now, but in 2015 I plan on going with Haswell-E (or Skylake, if HW-E out of my reach for some reason).



** If you overclock a lot, otherwise it's much easier.

It's not for the performance dude,It's for wanting a different platform to play with

..but if Kaveri's looking good I'll go with that..1st..
..then get back to 1366 ..sometime. :whiste:

 

[NTMBK]

Why trolling? He is making claims that he forgets. He now claims the quad channel IMC is not there and that it's fantasy, even though we had captures from previous versions of SOG for 3rd gen Bulldozer showing that it is there(under NDA but that didn't stop BSN*). He claimed that there is no APU in PS4 and Xb1 and never admitted he was wrong. That topic was very "hot". You see no problems here?

Because you (and a few other people) keep dragging up that one case again, and again, and again. He was totally wrong in his predictions in that case- I remember it well as I was the one arguing with him that an APU in a console made perfect sense! And yes, I felt a bit smug when I was right and he was wrong, and I probably gave him a bit of a ribbing about it. But this is turning into a protracted campaign of bullying, dredging it up every time he makes a prediction you don't like. He made a prediction and got it wrong; we've all done it. Move on!

 

[PPB]

He made a prediction and got it wrong; we've all done it. Move on!

I think that what it made really funny is that it really wasnt a prediction, it was (according to his words) set in stone as a hard truth. Add the fact that a lot of his statements tend to come more off from his wish to dismiss AMD than from educated guesses, and there you have it.

 

[inf64]

@ PBB

That's the point. But let's move on. I (when I was wrong) admitted it many times and not on this board only. I also do not bash products of any company, no matter if they are "bad" in my view or I dislike them altogether.

Anyhow, back on topic (again), BSN posted a rather speculative article on Kaveri yesterday. Actually they reposted the article of another author , with permission.
Linky.

Nothing new in it, just a collection of known data on Kaveri and some expectations/speculations from the (original) author who often posts on SA forums too.

 

[NTMBK]

Anyhow, back on topic (again), BSN posted a rather speculative article on Kaveri yesterday. Actually they reposted the article of another author , with permission.
Linky.

Nothing new in it, just a collection of known data on Kaveri and some expectations/speculations from the (original) author who often posts on SA forums too.

Meh, I've seen juanrga's "estimations" plenty of times. It's a load of wishful thinking and rampant speculation, and the only thing it can possibly do is get people far too hyped up over a product we still don't have enough hard data on. Wait for the benches, people! :thumbsup:

 

[Ventanni]

I want AMD to make this:

3m/6c Steamroller setup
3.5ghz base / 4.0ghz turbo
128 GCN iGPU
100w power envelope

Beefy on the CPU but just-sufficient-enough on the GPU part. If I want to game, I'll add a dGPU to it.

 

[Phynaz]

Because you (and a few other people) keep dragging up that one case again, and again, and again. He was totally wrong in his predictions in that case- I remember it well as I was the one arguing with him that an APU in a console made perfect sense! And yes, I felt a bit smug when I was right and he was wrong, and I probably gave him a bit of a ribbing about it. But this is turning into a protracted campaign of bullying, dredging it up every time he makes a prediction you don't like. He made a prediction and got it wrong; we've all done it. Move on!

This is the voice of reason people.

Hear it.

 

[JDG1980]

Odd that they'd lift the NDA if the launch isn't till the first quarter next year.

I think that's actually a good sign - if they want the results out early, they must feel optimistic about how it will perform. Compare with Bulldozer, where they put off the NDA-lift until as close to release as possible, since they knew the results were sub-par.

 

[Erenhardt]

I want AMD to make this:

3m/6c Steamroller setup
3.5ghz base / 4.0ghz turbo
128 GCN iGPU
100w power envelope

Beefy on the CPU but just-sufficient-enough on the GPU part. If I want to game, I'll add a dGPU to it.

In a perspective of mantle impact, and kaveri PC being just a console with beefed up CPU and trimmed hugely GPU, I would much rather give some of the CPU performance for more GPU power.
I guess memory bandwidth is limiting factor.
Here you can see a 50% gain in performance going from gddr3 to gddr5 on a hd7750 which has 512 SP.
7730 which has 384 shaders does not seem to gain much from faster memory:

We don't know the impact of hUMA yet, but I think 512 GCN cores should be balanced when paired with a 2000+MHz memory sticks.
But that is all a guess work. There are too many unknowns to give a good prediction.

Kaveri will have GCN1.0 or 1.1?

 

[CHADBOGA]

I (when I was wrong) admitted it many times and not on this board only.

So you admitted how wrong you were about predicting that Bulldozer would be the fastest desktop CPU, based on benchmarks on hardware.fr? :awe:

 

[Vesku]

I want AMD to make this:

3m/6c Steamroller setup
3.5ghz base / 4.0ghz turbo
128 GCN iGPU
100w power envelope

Beefy on the CPU but just-sufficient-enough on the GPU part. If I want to game, I'll add a dGPU to it.

Given AMD's push for HSA compute, I think they'd need at least 256-384 GCN units on their lowest SKUs. Even for mobile Kabini's 128 GCN units are a bit anemic, although that is partly single channel memory.

 

[inf64]

@ Chadboga

Of course, right after bulldozer launch and done it on my blog which is in my profile . Unlike others who had their share of failed predictions and never bothered to apologize for putting down others and being "all knowing" .

@ NTMBK

I know juan from SA, he likes to speculate a lot. But this article is quite reserved in a lot of respects and his CPU performance increase projections are reasonable enough. Having said that only AMD knows how much better Kaveri really is.

 

[SiliconWars]

Did I actually just read Shintai, Phynaz and ChadBoga telling people to "move on" from the PS4 thing? Sure guys - maybe you could help us out by moving on from your ancient Bulldozer/Hector Ruiz/AMDZone signature issues first.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Did I actually just read Shintai, Phynaz and ChadBoga telling people to "move on" from the PS4 thing? Sure guys - maybe you could help us out by moving on from your ancient Bulldozer/Hector Ruiz/AMDZone signature issues first.

I haven't told anyone to "move on" from any issue.

Please improve your obviously deficient reading comprehension. :thumbsup:

 

[rtsurfer]

Did I actually just read Shintai, Phynaz and ChadBoga telling people to "move on" from the PS4 thing? Sure guys - maybe you could help us out by moving on from your ancient Bulldozer/Hector Ruiz/AMDZone signature issues first.

You would love that since, Phynaz has one of your recent blunders in his signature right now.:biggrin::biggrin:

 

[SiliconWars]

I haven't told anyone to "move on" from any issue.

Please improve your obviously deficient reading comprehension. :thumbsup:

You did however drag up Bulldozer. Again. Some of you are giving inf64 crap for dredging up Shintai's 6-month old PS4 "prediction" while you continue to hang on to your tired Hector Ruiz/AMDZone (Really? Who cares about that place except you guys?) and Bulldozer comments. I mean Jesus, move on to something semi-new?

You would love that since, Phynaz has one of your recent blunders in his signature right now.:biggrin::biggrin:

You might want to google "AMD Mantle" and hopefully learn something good today.

 

[CHADBOGA]

You did however drag up Bulldozer.

It directly related to inf64's claim about admitting mistakes.

My Bulldozer comment didn't appear without a legitimate context.

 

[Erenhardt]

Nice OT again. Great contribution!

So, looks like we will see only 4 BD cores CPUs?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2350030&page=5
Given the rather optimistic 20% IPC improvements and not much of a lowered clock speeds, 8 core FX should still be the fastest AMD CPU in multithreaded workloads.

Obviously on APU front things will change. Current APUs have up to 4 cores only, so CPU should get a nice bump in both single-threaded and multi-threaded.

 

[SiliconWars]

It's really difficult to figure out what AMD is doing regarding cores tbh. Clearly the (gaming in particular) industry is heading towards 8 cores, yet they appear to be downgrading to 4. Even by AMD standards, that makes no sense.

I guess that due to the modular approach there really isn't a whole lot stopping them from releasing an octo core monster die Kaveri @ 125W or higher. If that's what it takes to win at the high end that's what they'll do.

 

[NTMBK]

I guess that due to the modular approach there really isn't a whole lot stopping them from releasing an octo core monster die Kaveri @ 125W or higher. If that's what it takes to win at the high end that's what they'll do.

What's stopping them is cost, and return on investment. Laying out a new die, making masks for it, validating, etc is damn expensive. They would need to be very confident that they will sell enough parts to pay back their costs, and they would need to have the money to spend in the first place. Not to mention the opportunity costs- money put into a niche 8-core part is money not put into their new ARM server parts, or a 20nm shrink of Kabini.

 

[sniffin]

It's really difficult to figure out what AMD is doing regarding cores tbh. Clearly the (gaming in particular) industry is heading towards 8 cores, yet they appear to be downgrading to 4. Even by AMD standards, that makes no sense.

I guess that due to the modular approach there really isn't a whole lot stopping them from releasing an octo core monster die Kaveri @ 125W or higher. If that's what it takes to win at the high end that's what they'll do.

The gaming industry will head in whatever direction CPU manufacturers go. Intel haven't and won't move past 4 cores so it makes absolutely no sense for AMD to do so. And with exception of a few titles, the norm seems to be 2-3 cores at the moment. With the reduction/removal of the CMT penalty in Steamroller, 2M/4C will probably make the 4M/8C dies pointless for gaming anyway.

Consoles and PCs can't be compared like that (I'm assuming this is why you're saying the industry is heading towards 8?). PCs will never run on the same sort of code as Xbone/PS4 as console code is specific to the hardware they contain.