AMD "Never Settle" 12.11 Driver - benchmarks are in!

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sze5003

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I could have played sleeping dogs in extreme as I was getting around 45-55 fps at 1920x1080 but it deff didn't look much different with high aa rather than extreme. That game is a good one also very demanding too. Glad to see that the new drivers are decent. I would not expect performance increases with just driver updates. I guess the potential people thought did not exist is there now.
 

SirPauly

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we know NV hates dropping prices above all.

Imho,

Then why did nVidia offer cheaper price-points on the GTX 680 and yet offered more performance over-all then a HD 7970?

Same can be said with the GTX 670 when released over a HD 7950?

I don't think AMD or nVidia like dropping pricing but the reality is they both have in the past to remain competitive.

IF the demand is there nVidia or AMD wouldn't price drop!

I think it's fantastic to see this strong price/performance/value and a very, very impressive gaming bundle for gamers to choose from. It's wonderful to see much stronger 28nm value considering it started as stronger premiums. The incredible competition from nVidia and AMD brings these choices to potential and prospective gamers.

Now this is a powerful swing by AMD --- already the top single GPU Performer, strong price/performance top-to-bottom - maybe the most impressive bundle offered for the holiday season -- very nice improvements from a nice driver to raise their price/performance top-to-bottom and single GPU leadership. Easy to use the word compelling choice.

It will be interesting to see how the market reacts to this. Hopefully, this very strong competition becomes a win-win for PC gamers everywhere -- with not only AMD improving their price/performance but nVidia as well. Companies may not like to drop pricing but when there is heated competition; it offers the feel that consumers win by receiving value - instead of paying premiums.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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What a truck load of crap. By that logic a GTX 680 does not provide any improvement in playable settings compared to GTX 670 especially when both cards are overclocked. so does it mean both cards are of same value.

Isn't it? Thought that was pretty common knowledge, the 670 is only a few small percent slower and considerably cheaper.

"Value" is a opinion, to me the 670 has "More Value" because it's nearly as fast for less. The 680 is still faster, but I do not value it's speed over the 670 as much as the price tag requests.

About GTX 680 pretty close to HD 7970 Ghz you don't see the reviews on latest games.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/10/16/asus_matrix_hd_7970_platinum_video_card_review/4

2560 x 1600 High AA

ASUS HD 7970 Ghz (1.31 Ghz) - avg 46.4 fps min 40 fps
ASUS HD 7970 Ghz - avg 39.3 fps min 31 fps
GTX 680 - avg 30.3 fps min 26 fps

Reference stock vs aftermarket overclocked to it's limit, seems like a reasonable comparison to me. :thumbsup:

You have all the things you want going for you. Yet it still can't max it out. Granted we're talking about Nvidia's bandwidth bottlenecked mid-range card at the least common resolution in gaming - but I'll give you that Gaming Evolved title. "Grats" But I don't play the Asain GTA that can't sell many copy's even at $20 on steam sales, so it's a pointless comparison for me, and based on sales the vast majority of gamers.

BTW Stock vs Stock there was no difference in playable settings, I don't think there are too many other titles where you could cherry pick so hard yet do so well to prove what I had just been trying to convey.

40 fps is considered playable.

Oh it is now? Subjective is subjective, I game a lot at 30 fps, but I don't claim to believe that would pass for good enough around here. What ever you think is playable is up to you there is no x = y universal fps number that appeals to everyone.

"The 12.11 drivers represent a new beginning for the HD 7970 GHz Edition and while we haven’t tested the rest of AMD’s lineup, we’re sure the situation above will repeat itself throughout their product stack. This is not a selective performance bump in a few AMD-friendly titles either. Rather, the 12.11s offer an across-the-board performance increase that pushes the HD 7970 GHz Edition right past the GTX 680. From a price / performance standpoint, there are actually very few reasons to recommend the GTX 680 at this point and at higher detail settings there’s just no competition"

"To head AMD off before the lucrative Christmas shopping season, the 600-series needs price drops and a continuation of the Borderlands 2 and Assassin's Creed bundles to remain competitive. And don’t think for a moment that NVIDIA’s driver team is sitting idle, especially now. "

Didn't you get the memo. :D

That's great, if that is how this generation closes out AMD pulled a fast one and dealt themselves a very strong position. However I don't believe that will be the end of this story, there is still a bit of time left before refreshes occur. Undoubtedly if anyone still wants to purchase a high end video card prior to a refresh AMD currently holds the strongest price/perf position, however if that is enough to win out over Nvidia's superior software or if Nvidia answers with price cuts of their own remains yo be seen.

AMD needs to offer more hardware for less because they simply can not compete on the software side, this isn't a simple price/performance situation as RS tries to convey endlessly otherwise AMD would be the industry leader and not the followers they are.
 
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krumme

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I still cant grasp a 7870 now performs more like a 7970 in BF3

That is a very important win for AMD, and stands as the best achiewement they have done this year for their business imho.

Good for us, 28nm prices is to high, and now the competition is comming big time :)
 
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Rvenger

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That's great, if that is how this generation closes out AMD pulled a fast one and dealt themselves a very strong position. However I don't believe that will be the end of this story, there is still a bit of time left before refreshes occur. Undoubtedly if anyone still wants to purchase a high end video card prior to a refresh AMD currently holds the strongest price/perf position, however if that is enough to win out over Nvidia's superior software or if Nvidia answers with price cuts of their own remains yo be seen.

AMD needs to offer more hardware for less because they simply can not compete on the software side, this isn't a simple price/performance situation as RS tries to convey endlessly otherwise AMD would be the industry leader and not the followers they are.


It sounds to me you are now just flipping switches to see what works. What ever makes you happy Balla. :thumbsup:
 
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It sounds to me you are now just flipping switches to see what works. What ever makes you happy Balla. :thumbsup:

No, he HAS a valid point. Many consumers regard NV drivers much better than AMD, and there's valid reasons for those too.. if one has a very long memory and ignore recent times. Regardless, an AMD product even on equal perf will never go for the same $.
 

Rvenger

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No, he HAS a valid point. Many consumers regard NV drivers much better than AMD, and there's valid reasons for those too.. if one has a very long memory and ignore recent times. Regardless, an AMD product even on equal perf will never go for the same $.


While true but my long memory of the Nvidia FX driver cheating days outweigh ATi's driver issues so it's perception at this point. I have yet to meet someone in person that has mentioned how great Nvidia software is or how poor AMD software is. I support a company with 25,000 employees and we use AMD graphics cards for most of the more entry level developer systems. Anything highend gets Quadro graphics.
 

railven

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Had to work a double yesterday, so ummm, what version am I suppose to download? Beta 4? Typical AMD, need a hotfix for the hotfix. Glad I didn't install anything yet. I look forward to dailies with 20% performance increase :D
 

Haserath

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rubbish. you are sounding more and more like a desperate Nvidia fanboi.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_Matrix/24.html

Peak power in Crysis 2

GTX 680 - 186w
ASUS HD 7970 MATRIX PLATINUM - 223w
HD 7970 GHZ - 238w

Thats 37w. the partner versions of HD 7970 Ghz cards are drawing less power than the review samples sent out in late jun. The HD 7970 Ghz cards sent to review sites was just a reference HD 7970 with a Ghz BIOS and qualification done for properly functioning boost functionality.

The current cards like ASUS HD 7970 Ghz MATRIX PLATINUM have proper binning such that the voltages are not excessive to hit advertised speeds.

This ASUS HD 7970 Ghz card is 4% faster than the HD 7970 Ghz
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_Matrix/26.html

HD 7970 Ghz is already 10% faster than GTX 680 at 1600p with the 12.11 beta.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html

For around 20% more power consumption you get 15% more performance at high resolutions and max settings . Not bad even from perf/watt perspective.

so please stop your rubbish :thumbsdown:
GF100 is now much faster than an HD 5870. Say around 20-30%, and especially with tessellation. This is with around an 80W difference during gaming.

7970 has the 680 beat by a few percentage points for a 37W difference.

I didn't see GF100 power consumption after release, but you're also throwing out ghz edition cards power after release.

I may make fun of GF100, but I only do it for kicks.
 

Haserath

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Avg. power consumption difference for the 680/7970GE reference = 43w
Avg. power consumption difference for the 680/7970 Matrix = 32w
Avg. power consumption difference for the 480/5870 = 127w

I realize that you want to make it sound like it's similar, but it's really not even close. Imagine now that the 480 was cheaper.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/N480GTX_GTX_480_Lightning/26.html
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GTX 480 to 5870= 101w
GTX 480 Lightning to 5870= 84W

and a bigger performance difference between 480/5870 than 7970/680.
 
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buklau

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I used to get strange graphic artifacts in diablo 3 with 12.4/12.8 whql. Seems like 12.11 beta fixed those problems.
 

balane

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At 1920 x 1200 with every graphical option, including Super Sampling, set on maximum I'm now able to maintain 60fps consistently in Guild Wars 2 on my 7870 machine. I couldn't do that before. This driver offered me, personally, a very noticeable improvement. Also, I had some flickering with some light sources in the game with the previous drivers but they are now gone so that's nice as well.
 

Rvenger

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I used to get strange graphic artifacts in diablo 3 with 12.4/12.8 whql. Seems like 12.11 beta fixed those problems.


Did you notice how 12.8 tanked the performance of D3?
 

buklau

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Did you notice how 12.8 tanked the performance of D3?

Even with updated 12.11, performance is still horrible in a game when a wizard cast aoe spell. I believe patch 1.05 is the cause of the problem, not amd catalyst since I was getting smooth fps back in 1.04 with 12.8 whql.
 

balane

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Well I do have one irritating issue with these beta drivers it seems. I have my display set to shut off after five minutes of no use. When it shuts off I can not get it the display turn back on without rebooting the computer. Going to try 12.10 and see if the problem goes away, hopefully I won't lose my GW2 performance gains.
 

balane

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Not from sleep, just from turning off the display after five minutes. The computer itself is not going to sleep and I can hear windows noises in the background, just can't get the display to wake up. And I haven't heard anybody else report this so it's just my computer so far. 7870 on Win 7 64 bit.
 

Zxian

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Press Ctrl+Alt+Del and then Esc out of the prompt screen. That seems to resolve the issue for me as well at the moment (running 12.11 betas as of last night - haven't tested 12.10).
 

balane

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Ctrl-Alt-Delete does nothing to the display sadly. I did try that. I must absolutely reboot the computer. I just got 12.10 installed and the problem seems to be solved but the issue didn't crop up on 12.11 right away so we'll see. If it is completely fixed I'll give 12.11 another try with a fresh driver install and see how it goes. Might just be some kind of oddball glitch.
 

KompuKare

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@balane

Have tried to see if you can remote desktop into the machine when the display goes. If you can it may be possible to 'do something' like maybe change res / go to dev mananger and remove something / get Afterburner to change clocks etc. No idea if any of that would work but I just hate hitting reset :)