Balla, your entire posts - I don't get it. You are saying I cherry-picked HD7970 GE's power consumption numbers but it's been shown countless times that HD7970 GE doesn't use 250W of power on average as the GTX480 does. You even said 7970 uses 100W more power, where you getting this from? Maybe you meant a 1310mhz HD7970 Matrix uses 100W more than a GTX680? Yup and it beats it in games because of it.
Yep, by very little and that was the point. The cost of the 7970s slight, and I say slight because it is a slight advantage as from game to game it wins and loses so
slight performance advantage comparing a recent aftermarket card vs another recent aftermarket card the power difference was just over 100w.
You seem to not get a couple simple things here: HD7950/7970/HD7970 GE offer more overclocking headroom, better price/performance and more value through game bundles and stock vs. stock or OC vs. OC they are faster than NV's current cards. Why is this so hard to understand?
You seem to believe your subjective valuation is shared by all, it isn't. You also seem to believe the minor performance advantage matters, once again it doesn't. Neither card is blowing the other away in anything important, they're all pretty close, I haven't seen anything to indicate the the 7970 at 100w extra can do any higher settings than the 680 or provide any different gameplay experiences. The GE has barely any OC headroom 1200MHz is 15%, where are you getting your misinformation?
Bringing up a 1300mhz overclocked Matrix misses the point entirely. You didn't address at all how HD7950 overclocked for $270 is as fast or faster than a GTX680 for $180 less, neither did you address that someone can buy an
1100mhz HD7970 GE that uses 30W more power than a GTX680 and has 10-15% faster performance out of the box + 3 free games.
Is it RS, you work for AMD, you've tested them all you know there are no OC duds? You make some the the most outlandish comments I've ever heard. What would you think if I started talking about how all 470s can do 900 core on air, a 50% overclock? Just because mine and several others have doesn't mean they all do, in fact many didn't just like many 7970s aren't faster than highly overclocked 680's you're simply drinking your own delusion inducing cool-aid.
How about this
Visiontek HD7970 GE card that uses less power than a reference GTX680?
Wow, that's really impressive
You continue to use some extreme example of a heavily overvolted and overclocked Matrix from [H]'s review but failed to acknowledge that it beats GTX680 OCed. You can lower the clocks of HD7970 to
1165mhz and still go head-to-head against a 1212mhz (1290GPU boosted) GTX680. <That was with old drivers>
I never failed to do any of that, I already said it's slight performance advantage is meaningless. What part of that didn't you get?
Looks slower to me, and that's with Dirt and the driver bug for Shogun :awe:
72W more power and slower, is it really that big of a stretch to put it even at 100w higher? :hmm:
Why are you making such a hissy fit over HD7900 series power consumption when out of the box AMD's cards are faster than GTX660Ti/670/680, cost similar or less and have free games? If a user wants to overclock, they are obviously willing to accept the increased power consumption usage.
I'm not making anything out of it, you are while you drone on and on about minor fps differences. At the end of the day what's the difference between 78 fps and 84? Nothing. So what's left? Well Nvidia offers far more than just FPS, unlike AMD. So there is where your "price/perf" gets busted down since only one card is only offering that metric, the other is hitting on that as well as offering a whole list of other features. Did you see what else that latest driver added? :thumbsup:
Apparently 20-30W of power difference is a big deal now but 3 free games and slower performance even if it's just 10-15% are nothing worth talking about? You realize NV charged $500 for GTX580 for 18-20% more performance over a $299 HD6950 that unlocked into a 6970? Talk about getting ripped off. But now you are saying HD7970 GE outperforming GTX680 on average by 8-15% is not a big deal but we should care about 20-30W of power?
You realize that a card like MSI TF3 7950 uses just
142W of power. GTX470 used more than 200W! That means you can overclock the 7950 to 1100mhz and still use barely more power than a stock GTX470 or a GTX680, and pocket yourself $180 and 3 free games. You are saying it's also not a big deal that a $270 HD7950 can overclock to 1100-1200mhz and flirt with a $450 GTX680? :sneaky:
I never said "we" should care about the power difference, you said it not me. I said there is more to the market than simply perf/watt, I mean unless you have an AMD card of course. It's still last gen vs next, I don't care about power but at this point my cards are getting long in the tooth, but I can wait for a real high end product, I'm not in a hurry.
You do know I can build a Tri SLI 470 rig that will be just a bit slower than 7970 CF performance for less than the cost of one 7970 while offering much smoother gameplay right? I mean let's get real for a minute, these prices are the second coming as you so pretend day in and day out while you do your little AMD marketing posts. They're decent but the generation was well overpriced to start with and bases your "its good" now theory on the awful release prices and lackluster performance is a bit too gullible for me.
We get it, AMD cards suck, AMD overclocking is worthless since it's all golden samples, free game bundles are desperation, free driver improvements show that the driver team sucks. You should just say you won't buy any AMD card and we'll all move on. Moonbogg admitted it and now we know where he stands. :biggrin:
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying there is more at play than ONLY perf/watt, and it's silly and fanatical to say otherwise. Furthermore the whole power thing started because of your off the rocker post about last gen products. I couldn't care less that the 7970 is a few percent faster at 1600p and pretty much equal at 1080p, or that it uses 100w more to equal the performance of 680. That's on you, if you want to defend AMD or Nvidia and recommend lackluster products be my guest, you'll notice however I took a different stance this entire generation I have no love for either sides product I didn't have to "pick" any side. I'm only here to give another perspective on your AMD approved marketing spin and sale pitches. :thumbsup:
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