AMD launches Ryzen Mobile 7 2700U & 5 2500U with Vega Graphics

[Yotsugi]

Cannon Lake is due soon.

Isn't it only 2/4 4.5W little ones?
Otherwise they wouldn't launch KBL-R.

 

[Bouowmx]

Intel Kaby Lake-R (already launched) is response for more cores in smaller form factors. Cannon Lake comes with new graphics architecture (Gen10) and bigger GPU (40 EUs or 320 cores), but has too little power for meaningful 3D gaming performance, assuming the only products are the Y-series (4.5-7 W). So, the full response is Ice Lake-U.

 

[dahorns]

Depending on which cb 15 numbers are real, the CPU performace looks comparable to Kaby Lake R (450-540 multi). That is amazing enough. If the 700 number is actually possibly within that TDP it would be incredible. Although, I question whether the 700 number makes any sense in light of Ryzen's known performance on the desktop parts (750 for the 1500x).

 

[Yotsugi]

So, the full response is Ice Lake-U.

Too close to Zen2.
I have a very, very bad feeling for Intel.
And if Samsung's low-cost HBM stops being a concept (over a year passed already) I do not envy Intel then.

I question whether the 700 number makes any sense in light of Ryzen's known performance on the desktop parts (750 for the 1500x).

That looks like short burst akin to one KBL-R performs.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Intel wont have a standing chance in graphics vs AMD.
AMD got this in the bag.

CPU performance wise the only way Intel could win is with higher TDP. Like they did vs Ryzen with the hot volcanoes they have for desktop (i7 8700K etc).

 

[scannall]

Depending on which cb 15 numbers are real, the CPU performace looks comparable to Kaby Lake R (450-540 multi). That is amazing enough. If the 700 number is actually possibly within that TDP it would be incredible. Although, I question whether the 700 number makes any sense in light of Ryzen's known performance on the desktop parts (750 for the 1500x).

Could be correct. They are Zen+ cores. And 1 CCX, so less overhead. But, we won't know for sure until it's out in the wild.

 

[jpiniero]

That 719 score reminds me of Intel's Broadwell-Y tablet which was unrealistic to think an actual vendor would use in a product because of the cost of the materials. Still the CPU performance is very good.

Isn't it only 2/4 4.5W little ones?
Otherwise they wouldn't launch KBL-R.

5.2 W actually.

 

[PeterScott]

Isn't it only 2/4 4.5W little ones?
Otherwise they wouldn't launch KBL-R.

I thougth the CL Roadmap leak said 5w and 15W parts. If the 15W parts are 2C, Intel really laid an egg.

That may be likely, which explains the pre-emptive; Kaby Lake Refresh moving 15W parts to 4 cores.

Credit where due, AMD's execution on Ryzen has been great. Now with Ryzen Mobile to complete the picture, they compete strongly with Intel in Mobile and Desktops CPUs.

If it is really as good as AMD says, many design wins should follow, gaining back even more CPU market share for AMD.

 

[Yotsugi]

Intel really laid an egg.

Oh boy, their 10nm node is QUITE an egg.

Credit where due, AMD's execution on Ryzen has been great.

Yes, now they need to hire more software dudes to make Vega work (hello NGG Fast Path).

they compete strongly with Intel in Mobile and Desktops CPUs.

And EPYC is a complete roflstomping of OG Opteron calibre.

If it is really as good as AMD says, many design wins should follow, gaining back even more CPU market share for AMD.

They are pretty honest regarding in-house benchmarks, their TR CB scores were on-point.
Same with ye olde Ryzen Blender demo and whatnot.

 

[krumme]

Credit where due, AMD's execution on Ryzen has been great. Now with Ryzen Mobile to complete the picture, they compete strongly with Intel in Mobile and Desktops CPUs.

If it is really as good as AMD says, many design wins should follow, gaining back even more CPU market share for AMD.

The apu is by far the strongest in their lineup imo. Leaps and bounds more compettitive than desktop and even epyc.
Desktop needs higher fmax. Lower ram latency and better turbo. Because gaming is vital for the biggest part of the mainstream and highend desktop market.

Now today we have confirmed the new turbo tech is also comming to zen+. The high perf fmax 10% is a solid possibility given the 12nm node specs we have. What is needed is to adress the latency issue. Those relatively simple steps from a design arch perspective will make zen plus far more compettitive. Its not always stuff like eg a new fancy branchpredictor is needed.

If we step back its interesting how impressive the amd hardware r&d is doing. We are in for a treat with zen 2 on 7nm thats for sure. Especially if they boot up a die variant on the highest fmax node.
But this darn software development for gpu driver development on the gpu side is dragging on. I think its a sign of the future. Software will play a bigger and bigger role and often be the weak link. I think part of nv success is they realized that years ago and embedded it in their culture and values. Amd and intel is more reactive. Intel more like stone dead relying on prior compiler work.

 

[USER8000]

Have people noticed that AMD was using the Acer Swift3 for the Core i5 8550U testbed??

If you look at the Anandtech article,it has this little tidbit:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1196...md-apus-for-laptops-with-vega-and-updated-zen

The Swift 3 is a little different than the others – we were told that Acer has built this chassis to dissipate 25W of processor power rather than 15W, meaning that Acer is going to be taking advantage of longer turbo modes and better performance numbers than other Ryzen Mobile parts.

Hence,the Core i5 8550U testbed was in a 25W chassis.

Also,Notebookecheck has another nugget of information:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-Mobile-Raven-Ridge-Back-to-the-Top.260136.0.html

Look at the CPU comparisons - there is a score for a Ryzen 5 2500U in a Acer Swift 3,which is 598 points in Cinebench,and 550~560 points for a Core i5 in the same chassis.

So with the same chassis and cooling capacity,even the middle bin Ryzen 5 is scoring higher.

 

[Yotsugi]

even epyc.

Eh, no.
Scalable Family is a total dud compared to it at almost every given price point.

 

[Yotsugi]

Look at the CPU comparisons - there is a score for a Ryzen 5 2500U in a Acer Swift 3,which is 598 points in Cinebench,and 550~560 points for a Core i5 in the same chassis.

Well, lower IPC but better SMT.
Makes sense? Makes sense.

 

[USER8000]

Well, lower IPC but better SMT.
Makes sense? Makes sense.

There was discussion earlier on whether the AMD numbers would be lower in the realworld. Looking at that,even with the same chassis,AMD looks competitive with Intel and the Ryzen 7 2700U will be a better bin,so should technically perform better.

 

[krumme]

Eh, no.
Scalable Family is a total dud compared to it at almost every given price point.

Ofc its marketing when Intel pr say you cant predict performance on epyc due to fabric but they do have a point especially a ls future load can be unknown. It count. Besides list prices is more like guidelines. And we do know epyc uptake is not like a earthquake.

If we look at the performance profile on this apu its just flat out superior to Intel solution. Consistent - All loads. For most productivity its just plenty fast and for gaming its far far better than a 620. I wouldnt glimpse to take a bf1 mp64 casual tour on this 15w tdp apu dude because on 720 low i would stay over 60fps 95% of the time. Try that on the new i7 ultrabooks.

Personally i would have settled for 25/35w and was prepared for that to get that 4c vega stuff. Now i can get it in 15w. Good enough then!. I stay a 15w and my usual form factor. I have always had intel laptops. Except hsw i have had literally all core and nodes since core duo in 2006. This is a huge step forward and i am sure it will be the first amd laptop for me. I am sick and tired of dual core slow gpu stuff after 12 years with miniscule difference yearly. (And btw i found the core duo to be the most impressive and guess why - still rocking and is still used each day)

 

[Yotsugi]

Ofc its marketing when Intel pr say you cant predict performance on epyc due to fabric but they do have a point especially a ls future load can be unknown.

But STH has already benched various EPYC SKUs in both 1P and 2P configs.
Very, very competetive.

And we do know epyc uptake is not like a earthquake.

Large-scale rolluout are always slow, besides EPYC currently lacks racks from major OEMs.

 

[krumme]

But STH has already benched various EPYC SKUs in both 1P and 2P configs.
Very, very competetive.

Large-scale rolluout are always slow, besides EPYC currently lacks racks from major OEMs.

Well lets see how this unfolds in q1 2018. I guess this will be like bobcat 40nm cheap apu that sold 40 millions. I dont think they get there 2018 but this product will just sell like hotcakes. Because it can game play and work crazy fast in a 15w tdp.
The 8650u is listed at 409usd. So Its good business and its not atom market like bobcat zakate 350 was. Its squarely i5 -i7 priceclass.

 

[Glo.]

700 pts in Cinebench R15 is right in the Haswell level performance, for high TDP desktop parts.

Zen efficiency is out of this world. 65W TDP chip with this revision would be like what? 3.3/3.6 4C/8T+11 CU design? Pile on top of it HBM with 160 GB/s with 1.3 GHz GPU core clock and we end up with something in the performance range of GTX 1050 - 1050 Ti desktop GPUs.

 

[Yotsugi]

Pile on top of it HBM with 160 GB/s

Won't happen, RR lacks HBM PHY.
Besides it's pricey and might make Sony/MS angry.

 

[krumme]

Won't happen, RR lacks HBM PHY.
Besides it's pricey and might make Sony/MS angry.

Very good point !
But also shows amd have VERY good cards at their hands for the next console contracts.
Imagine a 120w tdp 7nm 8c apu with a huge pile of shaders and hbm. Imagining that and the consoles at the same time is a pretty difficult task. Lol

 

[Yotsugi]

Imagine a 120w tdp 7nm 8c apu with a huge pile of shaders and hbm. Imagining that and the consoles at the same time is a pretty difficult task. Lol

I sincerely doubt consoles will use HBM since 2.5D integration is a pretty time-consuming process.
But yeah, the console market is on lockdown.

 

[USER8000]

700 pts in Cinebench R15 is right in the Haswell level performance, for high TDP desktop parts.

Zen efficiency is out of this world. 65W TDP chip with this revision would be like what? 3.3/3.6 4C/8T+11 CU design? Pile on top of it HBM with 160 GB/s with 1.3 GHz GPU core clock and we end up with something in the performance range of GTX 1050 - 1050 Ti desktop GPUs.

Even at the 600 point score for Cinebench in the Acer laptop for the Ryzen 5 2500U,that is almost FX8350 level in an ultrabook CPU!

 

[Jan Olšan]

some more details on the notebooks: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mobile-ryzen-apu-laptops,35772.html

The HP Envy x360 convertible starts at 699 USD, available in november.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I wonder how cheaply they could offer a fanless NUC / mini-ITX version of this? They could use chips that don't meet the 15 watt binning and have them run at 20-30 watt TDP.

 

[coercitiv]

fanless NUC

20-30 watt TDP.

Small, Fanless, 20-30W TDP? Nope, pick either 2 of these attributes and reverse the other.