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Idontcare

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Personal theory - a good open flamewar every once in a while gets it out of people's systems. :D

Hmmm, the Zion control theory...:hmm:

However, a Machine program named the Architect, the creator and manipulator of the Matrix, manipulated the situation so Zion served as a control for the survival of the program in two ways. Firstly, the Machines could allow any humans who did not, or could not, accept the Matrix for what it was to live in the physical world without having to recapture them (this reduced dissent within the Matrix's population and prevented an exponentially-growing rejection rate from its population from causing entire "crops" of humans to die out, reducing power output).

Essentially, Zion was allowed to exist by the Machines as a giant pressure-release valve on the entire system, allowing the humans that realized the Matrix wasn't real (statistically, only a fraction of 1% of the whole human population) to be conveniently removed and isolated. Secondly, the Architect would periodically destroy Zion and its inhabitants as part of a deal coercing the One into reinserting the "Prime Program", a program code required to maintain the Matrix, allowing the Matrix to continue and Zion to be rebuilt by chosen survivors without memory of the destruction.

Rest assured we, your benevolant ARM/x86-hybrid based machine overlords, will resist the urge of enacting the Prime Program...for now at least :sneaky: :D
 

vampirr

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1. I wanted a response, not 3rd world flame wars... (oh machinima) :eek:
2. Homeles insult:"And that justifies this one how? What a moronic fallacy." D:

HSA is maybe the future of PC's, why?
1. integrated GDDR5 RAM on motherboard
2. Kaveri(full fledged Radeon HD 7xxx GCN inside)
3. newer iterations will have better GPU's inside
4. longterm saving of money and more eco friendly
5. because of onboard GDDR5 RAM you only need to upgrade APU(GPU+CPU)
 

MaxPayne63

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From the first link in the OP:

HSA is very innovative because aside from the benefits it will provide, it has been designed to succeed from the start.

So they're trying this time? Well, I'm convinced. :D
 

CHADBOGA

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Why so much animosity in threads like this? So what if the links have been posted in other topics? It is amazing how some people have such a short fuse on these boards, they easily make a fuss about nothing in topics that should be fun to discuss. Just because one company they particularly dislike is mentioned...

When the opening sentence of the thread is over-the-top flamebait, is it really a mystery?



I may be an admin with experience such that for me "obvious bait thread is obvious", but surely it is literally so obvious that it doesn't take an admin to see why this thread generated the response it did?

OP was looking for a specific response to their post, and they got it. That is called flamebait. They baited a flamewar. Ordinarily the flamebaiter is sanctioned around here, we don't reward those who bait to create altercations.

Ordinarily we'd lock this thread and sanction the OP. And the admin's may still do it yet.

But there can't be any question as to the agenda and goal of the thread's OP considering the specific choice of words employed in the very first sentence of the OP. Not much to debate there.

inf64 has an amazing track record of being blind to AMD inspired flamebait.

He just never sees it. LOL
 

Torn Mind

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1. I wanted a response, not 3rd world flame wars... (oh machinima) :eek:
2. Homeles insult:"And that justifies this one how? What a moronic fallacy." D:

HSA is maybe the future of PC's, why?
1. integrated GDDR5 RAM on motherboard
2. Kaveri(full fledged Radeon HD 7xxx GCN inside)
3. newer iterations will have better GPU's inside
4. longterm saving of money and more eco friendly
5. because of onboard GDDR5 RAM you only need to upgrade APU(GPU+CPU)
For desktops, the integrated GDDR5 will be of little consequence because it is not upgradable and currently, 4GBs of GDDR5 is maximum that can be put on. 4 GBs is good only for light computing or if it is solely for gaming.

Kaveri will bring no miracles to speed. The information about how fast the current APUs perform are well documented. Divide the current benchmark result be .85, and anyone can get a fair estimate of Kaveri's performance. The truth is that the current A10 is slightly better than a Core 2 Quad Q9650 at stock.

The only GCN dies that can feasibly be put into Kaveri is from the 77xx series because the more powerful ones would consume too much power to fit in the thermal envelope.
 

vampirr

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If Kaveri can have an 77XX it will be an 7700 even thought they could make a GPU betwen 7770 and 7850, so lets call it an Radeon HD 7810. You can also go Dual Graphis/Hybrid CrossfireX with Radeon HD 77xx/78xx series and most mainstream games from large publishers/companies support SLI and Crossfire very well. HSA brings good bang for a buck.

TDP of less of 200watts is wellcomed even thought it would be cool to see a truly gaming APU that has a TDP of 200 to 250 watts max :)
 
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R0H1T

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1. I wanted a response, not 3rd world flame wars... (oh machinima) :eek:
2. Homeles insult:"And that justifies this one how? What a moronic fallacy." D:

HSA is maybe the future of PC's, why?
1. integrated GDDR5 RAM on motherboard
2. Kaveri(full fledged Radeon HD 7xxx GCN inside)
3. newer iterations will have better GPU's inside
4. longterm saving of money and more eco friendly
5. because of onboard GDDR5 RAM you only need to upgrade APU(GPU+CPU)
Been following this topic on other forums as well, from what I've seen ~

1) GDDR5 itself may not be so much as revolutionary as perhaps a Unified memory space for both the CPU/GPU likewise I'm more interested in how this feature will be implemented, as in something like a bit of sideport memory(ala 890GX) or more like an SoC implementation of sorts, cause I can't see Kaveri being restricted to GDDR5 only as it'll top out at 8GB, so I'm expecting something like a hybrid/dual memory controller as was the case in Phenom II IIRC.

2) GCN is the future of AMD GPU's so its natural that AMD will wanna leverage that aspect on their CPU's, people seem to forget that GCN is not only good at graphics but heavily optimized for compute heavy tasks & the latter is where we'll see major advantages for those taking the HSA road !

3) To be expected.

4) A natural progression towards smaller nodes I presume coupled with efficient computing may tilt the power/perf ratio in AMD's favor even if its a full node behind Intel !

5) I'm afraid what you're saying here sounds more like a move towards SoC, the obvious reason being higher profits.

Can someone be more specific in pointing out the errors wrt my assumptions as I don't have much insight compared to some of the folks here especially fellas working in the semiconductor industry ?
 
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Torn Mind

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If Kaveri can have an 77XX it will be an 7700 even thought they could make a GPU betwen 7770 and 7850, so lets call it an Radeon HD 7810. You can also go Dual Graphis/Hybrid CrossfireX with Radeon HD 77xx/78xx series and most mainstream games from large publishers/companies support SLI and Crossfire very well. HSA brings good bang for a buck.
There is no such thing as an "inbetween" because the transistor count is different every time you move up or down 100 in the series.

You are unaware of Crossfire's requirements. Crossfire is not possible between cards with differences in the hundreths place of the numerical part of the name.

A Crossfire configuration requires the GPUs to be of the same architecture and same performance tier level. The latter is represented by the hundreth place in the name. A 78xx processor can only be Crossfired with another GPU in the x8xx and the x8xx be the same architecturally as the 78xx.
 
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