AMD Fusion/Explanation [overclock.net]

[vampirr]

I found an article that is explaining very well AMD Fusion/HSA and it is quite interesting and a good reason why Intel and its followers are worried and nervous about it and they have a good reason...

Article:
http://www.overclock.net/a/amd-fusi...-what-is-hsa-and-why-it-will-be-revolutionary

thread for article(discussion & updates):
http://www.overclock.net/t/1311238/...revolution-what-is-discussion-and-info-thread

Liano was an introduction, Trinity is the successor, Richland is the improvement and Kaveri will be the finalization of the Fusion design.

Liano versus Trinity flagship:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/394/AMD_A10-Series_A10-5800K_vs_AMD_A8-Series_A8-3870K.html

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46005-amd-a10-5800k-trinity-apu/?page=5

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-A8-3870K-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224.html

Richland(Trinity 2.0) is soon out on March 19, NDA is lifted of on March 12 so we will see what are improvements over Trinity in reviews and benchmarks. Expect 10-20% of improvement...

Kaveri features revealed:
http://lensfire.in/37053/news/new-features-of-amd-kaveri-apu-revealed/

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...core-architectural-enhancements-unveiled.aspx

HSA Foundation:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30278-hsa-foundation-gets-few-more-members

http://hsafoundation.com/


This flamebait thread has gone on long enough.
OP, Please don't repost, or you will get an infraction
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Anandtech Moderator.

 

[Phynaz]

You posted these links in other threads 5 minutes ago.

There's no reason to start a new thread with them, unless there is something unique about them that they need their own topic.

Link spamming = bad, mkay?

 

[vampirr]

I posted some links in other threads, this thread is for educational purposes so I hope you have nothing against it, since its informing people and will be focused on AMD Fusion/HSA and future APU's.

This one is mostly about AMD Fusion/HSA and Kaveri, also is this the future of personal computers? So please share your opinions/thoughts.

 

[Centauri]

You posted these links in other threads 5 minutes ago.

There's no reason to start a new thread with them, unless there is something unique about them that they need their own topic.

Link spamming = bad, mkay?

There are countless other threads for topics of far less potential worth than this one.

 

[Homeles]

I found an article that is explaining very well AMD Fusion/HSA and it is quite interesting and a good reason why Intel and its followers are worried and nervous about it and they have a good reason...

Article:
http://www.overclock.net/a/amd-fusi...-what-is-hsa-and-why-it-will-be-revolutionary

Intel and it's followers are worried about HSA?



Intel's got 99 problems, and AMD ain't one of them. What a bunch of overly dramatic bullcrap.

The author of that particular article is a heavily AMD-biased moderator over at OCN. The article he's written is almost entirely speculative, filled with wishful thinking and propaganda.

Right now, the only information on HSA is from AMD's marketing department. If you haven't noticed, marketing teams aren't really an objective source. Until there are actually products that utilize that are on the market, we should treat it as the wishful thinking that it is. Stealing a phrase from another member here, once again, AMD is promising the moon. Who's to say that they won't blow up on the launchpad again?

There are countless other threads for topics of far less potential worth than this one.

And that justifies this one how? What a moronic fallacy.

 

[vampirr]

Homeles, I feel your ignorance and worries from other side of the globe...

Did you read the whole thing? Also did you clicked and checked those reference links inside the article and maybe even read some parts of those articles...

Also the article was created by a forum moderator.

So please don't try to make a havoc/chaos in this thread or I will report you to a admin/forum moderator so calm down, let there be order.

Anyway read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5847/...neous-and-gpu-compute-with-amds-manju-hegde/1

 

[frozentundra123456]

Homeles, I feel your ignorance and worries from other side of the globe...

Did you read the whole thing? Also did you clicked and checked those reference links inside the article and maybe even read some parts of those articles...

Also the article was created by a forum moderator.

So please don't try to make a havoc/chaos in this thread or I will report you to a admin/forum moderator so calm down, let there be order.

Anyway read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5847/...neous-and-gpu-compute-with-amds-manju-hegde/1

Maybe you should examine your own posts for objectivity before you threaten another poster.

 

[vampirr]

Maybe you should examine your own posts for objectivity before you threaten another poster.

Can you please people stop being offtopic and homeles started insulting...

If you come to fight and have fanboi war then please move on, you have nothing here to see except some valid information's so calm down... :biggrin:

For Homeles:
Don't use dirty/rude words, don't trash and be polite/civilized. Thanks.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Can you please people stop being offtopic and homeles started insulting...

If you come to fight and have fanboi war then please move on, you have nothing here to see except some valid information's so calm down... :biggrin:

For Homeles:
Don't use dirty/rude words, don't trash and be polite/civilized. Thanks.

Well, you posted links to AMD "news" on two threads already in progress and started your own thread on the same topic. That is a bit much.

 

[Torn Mind]

The budget video card market is going to die or shrink massively. That's biggest thing the improvements in integrated graphics solutions from both Intel and AMD will do to the desktop market.

In the laptop market, cheap budget gaming laptops might eventually become feasible.


HSA will become a threat if and only if developers of major productivity apps start using it and there is widespread consumer adoption of APUs. Otherwise, the status quo will remain. If no one codes using HSA, no apps will come forth. And of course, legacy apps get left in the dark, including apps like the current version of Photoshop.

 

[MisterMac]

We've had this discussion before.

It was divided into 2 camps after much bedazzle.


1. Those who believe in the HSA Idea - and that if the general computing eco-system must survive without getting too complex - will become the foundation for computing in a future era

2. Those who believe it's deadfish due to no interest from the mass manufacturers of hardware.


Either way - Intel can jump on HSA any time it wants.

Personally i'd prefer 1 - but i'd be worried Samsung won't give a rats ass and neither will Intel as prime movers.

Which is such a large market segment it makes developer adoption impossible.

Vampir:

HSA as an idea is fine - but it in NOWAY gaurentees or even slightly increases the chances of AMD somehow being successfull.

This is AMD64 all over again on a grander scale.
How on earth does this make AMD bigger than intel in any scenario?

You also have no final specifications or theoretical specifications.
(or ANYTHING concrete actually).

All you have are ideas - that because they're founded\led by AMD- you somehow attribute the success of said general ideas to AMD's wellbeing financially.

Please use rationalization when dreaming.

 

[bgt]

Vampirr, nice find:thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

This is the same guy who professed the destruction of Intel with Bulldozer and fully supported JFAMD in attacking skeptical people.

He bought a AM3+ board and told everyone else to as well.


Take what he says with a grain of salt, imo.

 

[inf64]

Why so much animosity in threads like this? So what if the links have been posted in other topics? It is amazing how some people have such a short fuse on these boards, they easily make a fuss about nothing in topics that should be fun to discuss. Just because one company they particularly dislike is mentioned...

 

[vampirr]

I am sorry but I must say: inappropriate comment removed

This won't be again all over AMD64, they won't make a same big dumb mistake again and they were planning HSA since 2005 and they started working on it since they bought ATI in 2006. Also EA DICE got a suprise from AMD, its most likely Kaveri APU...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Already-Ships-Kabini-Kaveri-APUs-to-Developers-334385.shtml

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Software_Developers_Next_Generation_APUs.html

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/307430-DICE-receives-AMDs-next-gen-APU-dev-system

No profanity in the tech forums, please.
admin allisolm

 

[tracerbullet]

I feel your ignorance and worries from other side of the globe

Can you please people stop being offtopic

Don't use dirty/rude words, don't trash and be polite/civilized. Thanks.

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Irony much?

Clearly you have a crystal ball, it's obvious since you can predict so much of the future with it. Funny you didn't also use it to prevent yourself from derailing your own thread.

 

[frozentundra123456]

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This won't be again all over AMD64, they won't make a same big dumb mistake again and they were planning HSA since 2005 and they started working on it since they bought ATI in 2006. Also EA DICE got a suprise from AMD, its most likely Kaveri APU...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Already-Ships-Kabini-Kaveri-APUs-to-Developers-334385.shtml

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Software_Developers_Next_Generation_APUs.html

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/307430-DICE-receives-AMDs-next-gen-APU-dev-system

Are you looking in the mirror by any chance?

 

[vampirr]

This is the same guy who professed the destruction of Intel with Bulldozer and fully supported JFAMD in attacking skeptical people.

He bought a AM3+ board and told everyone else to as well.


Take what he says with a grain of salt, imo.

Who?

 

[beginner99]

Intel can just ignore this. Since they basically own the market and AMD is a small niche, why would any software developer spend money on improving a product to use HSA? I mean if windos would magically run 5x times faster I would see the point but all the stuff that is "so greatly accelerated" is niche in itself.

 

[mrmt]

Who?

The same AMD cheerleader you brought here as an authoritative source for HSA:

http://www.overclock.net/t/979767/i...ozer-engineering-sample-april-fools-joke-2011

http://www.overclock.net/t/984388/next-generation-bulldozer#post_13028324

http://www.overclock.net/t/941049/rp-amd-bulldozer-benchmarks-leaked/10#post_12384589

There is a lot more if you bother looking on that forum.

 

[Idontcare]

Why so much animosity in threads like this? So what if the links have been posted in other topics? It is amazing how some people have such a short fuse on these boards, they easily make a fuss about nothing in topics that should be fun to discuss. Just because one company they particularly dislike is mentioned...

When the opening sentence of the thread is over-the-top flamebait, is it really a mystery?

I found an article that is explaining very well AMD Fusion/HSA and it is quite interesting and a good reason why Intel and its followers are worried and nervous about it and they have a good reason...

I may be an admin with experience such that for me "obvious bait thread is obvious", but surely it is literally so obvious that it doesn't take an admin to see why this thread generated the response it did?

OP was looking for a specific response to their post, and they got it. That is called flamebait. They baited a flamewar. Ordinarily the flamebaiter is sanctioned around here, we don't reward those who bait to create altercations.

Ordinarily we'd lock this thread and sanction the OP. And the admin's may still do it yet.

But there can't be any question as to the agenda and goal of the thread's OP considering the specific choice of words employed in the very first sentence of the OP. Not much to debate there.

 

[vampirr]

Well I saw in couple of forums in some threads how intel fans/followers were a bit worried and nervous about Kaveri, since it will have a motherboard with 2gb of GDDR5 integrated and that Kaveri will have a full fledged Radeon HD 7xxx series inside...

 

[Ancalagon44]

Why is the thread not locked then? The OP wants a flamewar, as you say, and has already attacked other members who disagree with them.

 

[NTMBK]

Why is the thread not locked then? The OP wants a flamewar, as you say, and has already attacked other members who disagree with them.

Personal theory - a good open flamewar every once in a while gets it out of people's systems.

EDIT: Honestly though, HSA is going to struggle taking off in the PC space. I can see it doing very well in the consoles, if its enabled there, but building a PC program on a feature set that only a tiny subset of users have is not a recipe for making money. See also GPU PhysX, where NVidia have to essentially pay developers to use it.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Personal theory - a good open flamewar every once in a while gets it out of people's systems.

EDIT: Honestly though, HSA is going to struggle taking off in the PC space. I can see it doing very well in the consoles, if its enabled there, but building a PC program on a feature set that only a tiny subset of users have is not a recipe for making money. See also GPU PhysX, where NVidia have to essentially pay developers to use it.

Maybe.

When I see a post like the OP's, I just dont see a point in engaging. Maybe thats what they call old age!