AMD Files Antitrust Complaint Against Intel in U.S. Federal District Court

[Pabster]

Oh, get a grip.

Intel is a large corporation. AMD would do the same thing IF THEY COULD.

I'm not saying I support the tactics (assuming all these accusations are true) but criticizing a large company for using its power is pretty laughable.

 

[PingSpike]

Wow, some of these accusations date back to a long time ago. I wonder what took AMD so long. I suppose it may have been wise to wait this long. At this point AMD clearly has a product that is at least as good as Intel offerings, and IMO is superior for less money. They're doing ok financially and there's a growing demand for their product. Perhaps they just wanted to be in a strong enough position to deal a real blow to intel.

Intel has been annoying, particularly in the last few years. Rather than innovate to compete with the floundering AMD they just try to strong arm them to death. Hopefully this will bring competition onto the CPU scene.

 

[Joemonkey]

holy crap! i can't wait to see how this turns out, but i bet you won't see nightly updates on network news like you would something stupid like a michael jackson trial...

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
It was never about hating the big successful company, companies usually get that way for a reason. It was always about the best bang for the buck. Seeing Intel pull this kind of crap because it's cheaper than innovating and making a better product just sucks.

QFT!!!

<--- Proud AMD user right here

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Wow, some of these accusations date back to a long time ago. I wonder what took AMD so long. I suppose it may have been wise to wait this long. At this point AMD clearly has a product that is at least as good as Intel offerings, and IMO is superior for less money. They're doing ok financially and there's a growing demand for their product. Perhaps they just wanted to be in a strong enough position to deal a real blow to intel.

Intel has been annoying, particularly in the last few years. Rather than innovate to compete with the floundering AMD they just try to strong arm them to death. Hopefully this will bring competition onto the CPU scene.

Absolutely! Before they just sounded like they were whining... now they look like an up-and-comer that's beating the crap out of the big guy.

 

[cliftonite]

Ive used:

pentium 133 Mhz
P3 800 Mhz
XP 1800
XP 2400
P4 3.2C

 

[zendari]

AMD should have started advertising long ago and increased capacity to feed places like dell.

 

[imported_2x]

AMD has the processor, but I don't think it's all Intel strong arming that has kept them totally down in terms of market share. Couple of other things also keep them from breaking out in terms of market share IMO:

1) It's their insistance to outsource chipset manufacturing and design to the likes of SIS, VIA and NVIDIA that scares off major vendors as well. I like AMD, heck I have one in my main rig. But in all seriousness, AMD is second fiddle to Intel when it comes to stability and I think most businesses and corporations look to stability more than sheer performance.

2) Right now it's Intel and AMD and no third place in sight. With almost NO other competition, AMD still cannot gain market share? All because of Intel? I don't think so. Their technology is great, but they need to learn a little from Intel when it comes to marketing their product. When is the last time you saw a AMD commercial on TV?

AMD's management sucks. Period. Those of you who invested in AMD stock are making a crucial mistake in investing. Product is key, but who manages that product is more important. Don't beleive this? - just look at Intel.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: zendari
AMD should have started advertising long ago and increased capacity to feed places like dell.

Dell is in Intel's pocket...I think that whole business awhile back about Dell thinking about offering AMD chips was just an empty threat to try and force intel to get their sh|t together. Dell will probably be the last big box to go AMD, Intel just sells chips to Dell for like nothing. AMD is probably better off getting chips into the hands of Dells competitors and trying to exploit some of the traction its gotten with the A64 to get the chips out there. Your average moron is going to have to at least have heard of the athlon 64 before they'll start buying them. And they gotta get them on store shelves.

But they'll have to stop Intel from cock blocking them to make headway there.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: zendari
AMD should have started advertising long ago and increased capacity to feed places like dell.

I'm glad you're more knowledgable than AMD's executives. :roll:

AMD couldn't produce more chips because they couldn't sell them. What happens when they build excess capacity for a business that's then strong-armed by Intel to stop selling their products? I'll tell you what: lower prices, smaller margins.

Before you start telling AMD what to do with their business, I suggest a basic economics class.

 

[Horus]

Good for AMD!

My processor progression:

Intel 486DX
PII 333mhz
PIII 733mhz
AXP 1800+
AXP 2500+
AXP 2800+ (Lappy)
A64 3000+
A64 3700+

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: 2x
AMD has the processor, but I don't think it's all Intel strong arming that has kept them totally down in terms of market share. Couple of other things also keep them from breaking out in terms of market share IMO:

1) It's their insistance to outsource chipset manufacturing and design to the likes of SIS, VIA and NVIDIA that scares off major vendors as well. I like AMD, heck I have one in my main rig. But in all seriousness, AMD is second fiddle to Intel when it comes to stability and I think most businesses and corporations look to stability more than sheer performance.

This point is valid. AMD has had a reputation for being unreliable in the past, and is only now catching up to Intel. AMD will have to design its own chipsets before it gets true credibility. HOWEVER, AMD's decision to stop making its own chipsets was the right one. They were losing too much money doing it. Lower prices were more of an issue for AMD then.

2) Right now it's Intel and AMD and no third place in sight. With almost NO other competition, AMD still cannot gain market share? All because of Intel? I don't think so. Their technology is great, but they need to learn a little from Intel when it comes to marketing their product. When is the last time you saw a AMD commercial on TV?

This is just ridiculous. They don't have the money to spend on marketing, and more importantly, what good would it do? What's the point? It's going to take YEARS and a BETTER PRODUCT to get AMD ahead of Intel, but I'd certainly not start pushing my brand name until I could be assured that Intel was going to stop paying off businesses to NOT sell my product.

AMD's management sucks. Period. Those of you who invested in AMD stock are making a crucial mistake in investing. Product is key, but who manages that product is more important. Don't beleive this? - just look at Intel.

AMD's management has been bad, but their product wasn't quite good enough for awhile to really make that push, and they knew it. They needed to come up with something that would make them a REAL player in the market before they started doing some of the things you wanted them to do.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Never owned an AMD processor. Don't plan on it either.

 

[tami]

i hope AMD wins.

 

[alien42]

i have never owned a pentium pc, amd all the way.

 

[imported_2x]

This is just ridiculous. They don't have the money to spend on marketing, and more importantly, what good would it do? What's the point? It's going to take YEARS and a BETTER PRODUCT to get AMD ahead of Intel, but I'd certainly not start pushing my brand name until I could be assured that Intel was going to stop paying off businesses to NOT sell my product.

Yet they had the money to burn on the Flash business which anyone could have seen was an ultra low margin business doomed to bleed dollars? No money for advertising? I'm not asking for a Super Bowl commercial and saturation a la GM and their employee discount commercials every minute on TV. But 1 commercial. Can anyone say they have seen a commercial that touts AMD. Or better yet, those big manufacturers who do sell AMD like HP, have you ever seen them push AMD in their commercials? 1 commercial which touts Athlon. Of course no one outside these forums is gonna buy your gear if you rely on the sales reps at Best Buy to explain to the average Joe and Jane who walks in why Intel is not superior to the cheaper AMD sitting right next to it. AMD went with the marketing strategy of "let our tech speak for itself" and it is not working because when tech speaks, the average user has no clue what it's saying. Hence why the idiotic Blue Man commercials and the most simple of phrases like "Intel inside" speak volumes to the masses.

 

[FreshPrince]

AMD has lost my respect....and makes me want to get rid of my A64...

what a joke, you can't beat intel so you pull the "antitrust" card...shame on you! :|

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
AMD has lost my respect....and makes me want to get rid of my A64...

what a joke, you can't beat intel so you pull the "antitrust" card...shame on you! :|

I will buy your rig for $50.

I think they have a valid complaint...they seem to have a lot of top execs from different PC makers on record that also feel like they're getting shafted.

 

[Kremlar]

I hope this isn't the beginning of the end for AMD. Lawsuits like this often come at a time of desperation.

I don't think Intel is a Microsoft-like Monopoly. AMD is compatible with Intel - there is technically no loss of functionality if Dell doesn't sell Intel. If Dell wants to sell AMD, they should. Do you think Intel would stop selling to Dell if they did? No. Would their Intel pricing increase? Probably.

However, I think the flexibility of being able to source from 2 competing manufacturers would outweight any cash Intel is allegedly dropping into their pockets.

I think the bottom line is that Intel models sell better than AMD models, especially in stores. One reason is AMD's reputation for sub-par reliability, another reason is Intel's excellent marketing.

While AMD's current line may be considered reliable, their past models have not - and it's mostly due to motherboard issues, not even their CPUs. I still see a much higher failure rate of AMD compatible motherboards than Intel compatible motherboards. Good brands too - ASUS, Abit, etc.

AMD needs to offer, or get someone to offer, a consistently reliable chipset package for AMD. And it needs to last for a couple of AMD product generations for AMD to shake the bad reliability rep.

As for marketing, AMD needs to consistently offer better products, and shoot out a campaign every now and then. Word of mouth also goes a long away. The problem with AMD's current rep is that they have tons of fanboys running around preaching AMD as being so superior, which probably actually hurts more than it helps.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Intel is a fvking beheamouth.

that is all.

 

[jjones]

Sounds a lot like Netscape's lawsuit against MS.

 

[So]

Ah yes. Intel is rather monstrous in taht way. Their CPUs are, of course, fine, and since AMD has a fair share of the enthusiast market, I dont act the zealot there.

That said, I own 3 intel and 4 AMD CPUs. The intels on the list include a PII 266 Clelron 466 (no even in use any more) and a P4 1.7 laptop.

The 4 AMD's are all in fairly regular use, and great performers (900, 1.6 Duron, 1700+ AXP, 3200+ A64)

 

[Fenixgoon]

celeron 366 @ 550

athlon 1700+

sempron 2300+

go amd!!

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Never owned an AMD processor. Don't plan on it either.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Never owned an AMD processor. Don't plan on it either.

Hes an intel fanboi, I remember him bashing AMD in other threads.