AMD Files Antitrust Complaint Against Intel in U.S. Federal District Court

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Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: AcanthusAMD had huge stability problems in the Tbird days, there wasnt a chipset out that wasnt buggy, all of them had some kind of quirk whether it was the sound quitting after a 2 months, Random restarts with certain memory brands, leaking capacitors, drivers that just plain didnt work (SiS). The 3rd party manufacturers have vastly improved quality control, mainly due to larger marketshare of AMD, and heavy competition from the big 5 producing AMD chipsets.
SiS !=AMD
leaking caps = mobo !=AMD
drivers= software !=AMD.
memory != AMD

WTF are you smoking?

yea thats called sh!tty mobos manufacturing not sh!tty chips from AMD

Did i say AMDs chips were bad? No i didnt. I said their supporting chipsets were buggy, buggier than intels chipsets at the time.

Unstable chipsets are however AMDs fault, for not making official chipsets. LIke i also said, it has vastly improved since the tbird and older days.

God what a fanboi circle jerk it is in here.
 
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ive had

P3 650Mhz
A XP 2000+
A64 3200 (newcastle core)

(bought my dad a computer 2nd hand off a friend, his old gaming rig, he took his 9700pro with him so i slapped my 9500pro in it. its not a bad rig,very snappy around XP. P4 2.4Ghz 400FSB and yes 768mb PC800 RDRAM YEAH BABY)

still if its my computer i have ZERO reason to buy Intel, AMD offer everything i want at a cheaper price, most of the time better than intel. and i dont care that A64 X2's are more expensive than intel dual cores...since the performance advantage out weighs the price diff
 

Sixtyfour

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It would be funny if Intel has to pay all the revenues that AMD has lost due to Intels unfair practices. :D
 

MrCodeDude

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I don't understand, even if Intel is giving money to companies in return for exclusiveness, doesn't the company make the final decision? For example, NEC doesn't have to take the wads of cash from Intel, it's NEC's fault as much as Intel's.
 

Mirko

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Originally posted by: Pabster

You aren't posting any fvcking facts. Just a bunch of crap from AMD's press release and "legal document". That is 100% allegation, not fact. Until you can discern the difference, perhaps you should return to your day job.

Again, this "document" you refer to has no facts whatsoever, but, rather, a series of accusations. Until a jury decides otherwise, that is all they are. In America, it is innocent until proven guilty. Got it?

This litigation follows a recent ruling from the Fair Trade Commission of Japan (JFTC), which found that Intel abused its monopoly power to exclude fair and open competition, violating Section 3 of Japan's Antimonopoly Act. These findings reveal that Intel deliberately engaged in illegal business practices to stop AMD's increasing market share by imposing limitations on Japanese PC manufacturers. Intel did not contest these charges.


"You don't have to take our word for it when it comes to Intel's abuses; the Japanese government condemned Intel for its exclusionary and illegal misconduct," said Thomas M. McCoy, AMD executive vice president, legal affairs and chief administrative officer. "

Intel already admit they use these practices.
 

Jassi

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Originally posted by: Mirko
Originally posted by: Pabster

You aren't posting any fvcking facts. Just a bunch of crap from AMD's press release and "legal document". That is 100% allegation, not fact. Until you can discern the difference, perhaps you should return to your day job.

Again, this "document" you refer to has no facts whatsoever, but, rather, a series of accusations. Until a jury decides otherwise, that is all they are. In America, it is innocent until proven guilty. Got it?

This litigation follows a recent ruling from the Fair Trade Commission of Japan (JFTC), which found that Intel abused its monopoly power to exclude fair and open competition, violating Section 3 of Japan's Antimonopoly Act. These findings reveal that Intel deliberately engaged in illegal business practices to stop AMD's increasing market share by imposing limitations on Japanese PC manufacturers. Intel did not contest these charges.


"You don't have to take our word for it when it comes to Intel's abuses; the Japanese government condemned Intel for its exclusionary and illegal misconduct," said Thomas M. McCoy, AMD executive vice president, legal affairs and chief administrative officer. "

Intel already admit they use these practices.

Should be an open and shut case then :)


To MrCodeDude - Its still illegal if Intel was using its supply chain to blackmail NEC in to not using AMD chips in more that 10% of their products. Would you take that chance if you were NEC, for them such a stance would mean the end of their business. In short - Intel had them by the gonads and was making them dance to its tune.

I think one of the things that also stopped AMD was the fact that they didnt have the fab capacity to seize share from Intel by supplying Dell or other large OEMS. HP had a shortage of AMD chips last month for their ZV6000 and the R4000 laptop line (but it was worth the wait for me as it was my first AMD chip - been using Intel all my life). They might have resolved the capacity issue (or are in the midst of resolving it) and are ready to bite deeper in to the market share.

Go AMD.
 

HumblePie

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Papster, look, in your own post you put. " ROFLMAO. Ok, sure. Perhaps you don't understand business?" That's refering to a POSTER, not AMD. I put I understand them perfectly well and then went on to cite more stuff about the thread. I am not on the payroll and don't insinuate it.

I know you know nothing about law. Yes, you can put anything you want in a document for public record, but you better have SOMETHING to back up anything you "claim." Why? otherwise without proof of any sort, even circumstantial evidence, a matter of public records such as this would be called slander and lible. Intel would SUE the pants off AMD. Actually, technically, AMD didn't put the document out. Which is whyI know you have not read the entire document or you have seen who the authors are at the bottom. It's a LAW FIRM, "RFL."

Law firms don't put slander out because their a$$es would be the ones out in a sling for their clients.

Yes, people put frivolous law suites out every day. Don't confuse what you watch on your fat a$$, eating bon bons, while watching Judge Judy as what happens in the "big boys" courtroom. When legal parties are involved, and not Papster's sister trying sue her pimp for not giving her the cut of the money, fivolous lawsuits are not made.

I think you are confusing THREATS of lawsuits, versus actual proposals. Actually, I KNOW you are. Yes, businesses can THREATEN and send you official looking documents to sue the pants off you and those threats need not have any merit or basis in reality. Heck that happens all the time. The moment they push for a court date though, it's no longer frivolous.

And what I said about double jeopardy... again that's true. If a court has has been put through and shut down, you can not by LAW put the exact same complaints through.

Read the definition of double jeopardy:

"DOUBLE JEOPARDY - Being tried twice for the same offense; prohibited by the 5th Amendmentto the U.S. Constitution. '[T]he Double Jeopardy Clause protects against three distinct abuses: [1] a second prosecution for the same offense after acquittal; [2] a second prosecution for the same offense after conviction; and [3] multiple punishments for the same offense.' U.S. v. Halper, 490 U.S. 435, 440 (1989)."

It can NOT be another court trial offense of the same claims. Otherwise it will be thrown out by tomorrow morning and Intel could sue the pants of AMD and their law firm for badgering.


AGAIN, I'm not saying that Intel has done anything pertained in this document. That is for the courts to decide. I'm saying woohoo to the little guy for sticking up to the big dog for so long against the odds and finally perhaps finding proof of wrong doing by intel. IF there is, Intel needs to go down HARD. They've already been proven wrong in Japan so the chances they've been breaking the law here are very high based off that precedent. Sure, there is a chance that the Japanese office was acting completely in isolation from the US offices. But I wouldn't take that bet.

I'm also ticked that anyone here who belittles AMD for trying to stand up for our rights, and the rights of consumers and other businesses who've been shafted over the years. What the heck have YOU done lately Papster to try to set the world right?
 

Dothan

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
God what a fanboi circle jerk it is in here.

i could not say it any better !!!

time for all you AMD trolls to run off !!!

daddy is ready to strike AMD right where it counts !!!
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: Dothan
i could not say it any better !!!

time for all you AMD trolls to run off !!!

daddy is ready to strike AMD right where it counts !!!
Show us how AMD's claims are wrong, or shut the fvck up!
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Dothan
Originally posted by: Acanthus
God what a fanboi circle jerk it is in here.

i could not say it any better !!!

time for all you AMD trolls to run off !!!

daddy is ready to strike AMD right where it counts !!!
Youre no better than they are :(
He never posts any facts or statements with much truth to them, so I'd say he's considerably worse than most of the people he wants to ban. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
AMD has lost my respect....and makes me want to get rid of my A64...

what a joke, you can't beat intel so you pull the "antitrust" card...shame on you! :|

If someone ever pulls a gun on you, you better kick his ass yourself instead of pulling the "call the cops to come save my worthless ass" card. :p
 
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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: Continuity27
FreshPrince, if AMD wins, you win too. Buying either Intel or AMD, you'll win either way.

I already own both....I've owned both since AMD started...the part that pisses me off is that they're resulting to cry babies instead of developing better strategies to increase their bottom line.

weak...


THey developed a better product and their bottom line is being harmed by Intel's illegal business practices. What part about this can't you understand? Are you denying the legitimacy of antitrust laws?

better product my arse, it's the same product, not better. If it were better, EVERYONE would be using it. It's the same product because no one cares if it's intel or amd, they stick with what's familiar with them. Intel has been around longer than AMD, therefore they use Intel (oops, correction :p)

That is one of the most retarded statements I have ever had the pleasure of reading in ATOT. I rank it right up there with the comment by someone that broadcasting companies figured out the ratings for shows because television antennae pulled the signal for the show being watched out of the air, and they measured how much signal was being consumed for individual shows.

Look at any product out there, there will be many companies making the same type of products with varying quality. A Jennings Bryco 59 9mm and a Glock 19 9mm might be comparable in caliber, size, and magazine capacity, but I would only trust my life to one of them. The 59 has trouble firing more than a single round without jamming, whereas the Glock can be dragged through the mud and still fire without problem. Amazingly, people still buy 59's instead of guns that are obviously superior.
 
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Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
haha... they are about to get creamed by intel's lawyers...and since when does amd have any lawyers on it's payroll?


I believe it is an antitrust complaint, not a lawsuit. I don't know all of the legal terminology, so I may have that wrong. I believe it means that the government will be pursuing it if it is deemed to have merit.
 

Andres3605

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i wonder if the hold this back because the couldn't meet the supply until now?, not a fanboy but Amd is in my main rig because their product is superior.
 

HumblePie

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
haha... they are about to get creamed by intel's lawyers...and since when does amd have any lawyers on it's payroll?


I believe it is an antitrust complaint, not a lawsuit. I don't know all of the legal terminology, so I may have that wrong. I believe it means that the government will be pursuing it if it is deemed to have merit.



CORRECT!!! It's a registered complaint produced by Richards, Layton, and Fingers, P.A. law firm to the United States District Court, District of Delware. Asking for criminal charges and investigation to be found and if found punitive damages to be collected followed by a civil suit for compensatory damages. People keep throwing this out thinking it's a frivolous lawsuit which is NOT what it is. It's someone seeking investigative charges of criminal intent against Intel.
 

HumblePie

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Originally posted by: Andres3605
i wonder if the hold this back because the couldn't meet the supply until now?, not a fanboy but Amd is in my main rig because their product is superior.


The hold back was because they filed a criminal complaint before. The FTC, Federal Trade Commission, investigated for the courts and found no wrong doing a few years back.

However, Japans IFTC launched its own investigation into Intel's dealings with local Japanese markets, OEMs, and retailers. This was without any form of movement done by AMD and years after AMD tried cracking down on Intel in America. Japan found Intel GUILTY AS CHARGED. So much overwhelming evidence was collected that Intel didn't even try to dispute any claims made by the Japanese government and IFTC.

This ruling was just done a couple of months ago. I believe the fallout and results, and sentances was still being passed out until recently. I think as soon as humanily possible, with the precedent and evidance found by the Japanese government, which probably has links back to the American Intel Corporation, AMD launched its criminal complaint against Intel. 4 months is not a *long* time when dealing with big court cases like this at all.
 

The Pentium Guy

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Predicitons if AMD wins, anyone?

My prediction: Intel will finally have to spend more of their money in R&D as opposed to (for the lack of a better word) strangling companies into buying their product.

This leads to more competition, which leads to more innovation and a higher quality product (from both Intel and AMD), which leads to more competitive pricing, which leads to happy customers.

Competition is good for us consumers.
 

tooltime

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yeah! YEAH!! i'll be watching this one. i really hope and feel amd has been doing it's homework in getting this ready...think it could be as big as the MS DOJ?
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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If even half of the allegations are true... oh who am I kidding? Intel's legal team has to be at least as large as Microsoft's :p
 

RMSistight

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I like this quote the best as I was listening to the taped conference call:

"You talk to any of the high end users: the gamers, the artistic community, people who really do know power computers, and they will tell you that AMD products are far superior at a lower price."