AMD CRASH TEMP

PCMarine

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No, as I just got back from gaming and my CPU is @ 60c

It's been as high as 64c and im in my freezing cold basement with great cooling (but im using the stock AMD HSF)
My Xp2100+ Palamino runs quite hot.
 

BmXStuD

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Also our my voltage lines suppose to drop LOW or high to be a problem? like +5 line is @ 4.97v
and +12 @ 12.52v

guess my f-ing pc like to crash just got a new psu
 

sharkeeper

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It depends on your metric. Junction temperature ABMAX on most cores is in the 90~100C which is warm. If your readings come from in socket thermistor or similar apparatus using transducers other than AMD's thermal diode then there is no ABMAX! 75C is quite warm from an inner socket thermistor.

Also beware that some mainboards will show temperatures with the source arriving from the AMD thermal diode and have high errata outside of relativity. Linearity across the span is not guaranteed as well. I'm not saying you need the cpu wired to an Perkins Elmer, but just keep the damn thing cool, ok? :)

Cheers!
 

BmXStuD

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well i took out the new psu and sound card i jsu put in and the crasing went away :/ went back to ac97 and compusa psu.
 

AtomicDude512

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Originally posted by: PCMarine
No, as I just got back from gaming and my CPU is @ 60c

It's been as high as 64c and im in my freezing cold basement with great cooling (but im using the stock AMD HSF)
My Xp2100+ Palamino runs quite hot.

You think THATS cool? Man, my 1700 Palomino runs at 36c load.
 

DeRusto

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Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Originally posted by: PCMarine
No, as I just got back from gaming and my CPU is @ 60c

It's been as high as 64c and im in my freezing cold basement with great cooling (but im using the stock AMD HSF)
My Xp2100+ Palamino runs quite hot.

You think THATS cool? Man, my 1700 Palomino runs at 36c load.

jinkies!


edit: in addition to that remark, my cpu runs at 54C under full load
 

AtomicDude512

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Originally posted by: BmXStuDer
Would a amd pc crash HARD LOCKUP @ 60c?

Athlon XP Palomino (.18mm): 80c max die temp
Athlon XP Throughbred-A (.13mm): 60c max die temp
Athlon XP Throughbred-B (.13mm): 60c mac die temp

I dont know the specs for P4 though...
 

Megatomic

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I have my AthlonXP 1900+ Palomino running at 1.735GHz (145MHz FSB) @ 1.80V and it is idling between 58C and 60. When I was testing it using Prime95 torture test earlier tonight I got as hot as 73C and Prime95 kept chugging along happily.

So I think your 60C temp. is fine.
 

AtomicDude512

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Originally posted by: SeekingTao
I have my AthlonXP 1900+ Palomino running at 1.735GHz (145MHz FSB) @ 1.80V and it is idling between 58C and 60. When I was testing it using Prime95 torture test earlier tonight I got as hot as 73C and Prime95 kept chugging along happily.

So I think your 60C temp. is fine.

You guys have a weird sense of a cool CPU, yours will probably die faster than mine at those temps though...
 

DeRusto

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Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Originally posted by: SeekingTao
I have my AthlonXP 1900+ Palomino running at 1.735GHz (145MHz FSB) @ 1.80V and it is idling between 58C and 60. When I was testing it using Prime95 torture test earlier tonight I got as hot as 73C and Prime95 kept chugging along happily.

So I think your 60C temp. is fine.

You guys have a weird sense of a cool CPU, yours will probably die faster than mine at those temps though...

Temperatures up to 60C are perfectly acceptable for Athlon cores. As far as I know, you will not experience significant life extension by using more extreme cooling measures. However, feel free to keep your CPU as cool as you would like:)
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Originally posted by: SeekingTao
I have my AthlonXP 1900+ Palomino running at 1.735GHz (145MHz FSB) @ 1.80V and it is idling between 58C and 60. When I was testing it using Prime95 torture test earlier tonight I got as hot as 73C and Prime95 kept chugging along happily.

So I think your 60C temp. is fine.

You guys have a weird sense of a cool CPU, yours will probably die faster than mine at those temps though...


What you don't know is that the classical view of a cool Athlon CPU went away when the internal diode temp. measurement came into existence. If you check out AMDs tech specs on the AthlonXP Palomino, temps. up to 95C!! are acceptable (though maybe not adviseable). And I don't know about you, but I don't plan to use this very CPU for ever. If it lasts 2 years that will be longer than I will own it. And honestly, I have had it almost that long as it is.
 

DeRusto

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And if you had gone to that AMD Reality Check event last year you would have heard straight from AMD that 60C+ temps are not too high:) It is nice to keep it cool, but if you are considering more silent cooling solutions, its just fine to have a little bit of a "high" temp:p
 

Hankysmoo

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Seeking Tao, I have the Epox 8k3ae and I saw in your system rig that you have the 8k3a+. I also have these insanely high temperatures which scared me to death. In fact, I was running my 1600 XP at 1.40V just so I could see some "safe" temperatures (idle at 44- mid 50's under load). I was just wondering how long have you been running your comp at those temperatures and if you have seen any system instabilities? If you haven't, I'm going to just overclock my 1600 to 2100 speeds at 1.825V and just assume that the temps are reading wrong. Thanks! =)
 

sharkeeper

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Athlon XP Palomino (.18mm): 80c max die temp
Athlon XP Throughbred-A (.13mm): 60c max die temp
Athlon XP Throughbred-B (.13mm): 60c mac die temp

Sorry but that is incorrect. Max junction temp for all of the above mentioned microprocessors is eighty five degrees centigrade. The original Athlon (Argon and Thunderbird) was ninty five degrees centigrade! That's at the boiling point of water in most cases!

Cheers!
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
Seeking Tao, I have the Epox 8k3ae and I saw in your system rig that you have the 8k3a+. I also have these insanely high temperatures which scared me to death. In fact, I was running my 1600 XP at 1.40V just so I could see some "safe" temperatures (idle at 44- mid 50's under load). I was just wondering how long have you been running your comp at those temperatures and if you have seen any system instabilities? If you haven't, I'm going to just overclock my 1600 to 2100 speeds at 1.825V and just assume that the temps are reading wrong. Thanks! =)

I have an Epox 8K3A and my mobo reads my Tbred 1700+ @ 1920 MHz/1.72V to be ~62C at Idle and ~70C under load.

This is with an Alpha PAL8045 :Q

It runs Seventeen or Bust (works like Prime95) for days without causing any stability issues so I don't really care :p
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
Seeking Tao, I have the Epox 8k3ae and I saw in your system rig that you have the 8k3a+. I also have these insanely high temperatures which scared me to death. In fact, I was running my 1600 XP at 1.40V just so I could see some "safe" temperatures (idle at 44- mid 50's under load). I was just wondering how long have you been running your comp at those temperatures and if you have seen any system instabilities? If you haven't, I'm going to just overclock my 1600 to 2100 speeds at 1.825V and just assume that the temps are reading wrong. Thanks! =)

I have an Epox 8K3A and my mobo reads my Tbred 1700+ @ 1920 MHz/1.72V to be ~62C at Idle and ~70C under load.

This is with an Alpha PAL8045 :Q

It runs Seventeen or Bust (works like Prime95) for days without causing any stability issues so I don't really care :p

I read over at the Epox - AMD section of the overclockers.com forums that the Epox 8K3A+ has a minor bug which causes it to read the internal diode high, many times this error is on the magnitude of 10C. I wish this error didn't exist as right now I am stressing my new XP 2100+ Tbred "B" and the MBM CPU temp is about 69C (or at least it was when I left to come to school 2 hours ago). Hopefully she is still chugging along happily when I return home. :)

 

Markfw

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The one time I was stupid enough to forget to plug the cpu fan in, it got to 78c before the system locked up, and I powered down. Then I put an external large fan on the HSF for 5 minutes, plugged the cpu fan back in, and powered up and it worked. This was on a XP1800 cpu (palamino core) I think they are all rated about 85c max as someone said, but I think they can run at 70-72c OK (even though I would get a better cooling solution until it got under 65c)
 

sharkeeper

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It is very important to remember that the ABMAX Junction Temp as posted by AMD is not realised by 90% of the users out there. Inside socket mounted thermistors cannot report the junction temp. Palomino CPU and later have an internal diode that can report this value (or a summary close to it) however many mainboards (like the Iwill MPX2 that I'm using) report this value with great errata!

IF one uses a thermal solution provided by and/or recommended by AMD, follows installation procedure accurately anomalies will not be present unless ancillary failure (forced air cooling or fan components of thermal solution) occurs. This usually won't result in TMPL (Total Micro Processor Loss) in most circumstances.

Cheers!