AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[monstercameron]

Probably but let's wait for the reviews shall we. It sounds amazing but no reviews on the release date is bad news :\

They have the notebooks why not hype the hell out of it by throwing numbers around

No offense but I'm surprised to see that level of skepticism from you but you bring up a good point, why hasn't amd sent out halo laptops with Carizzo to reviewers?

 

[Abwx]

No offense but I'm surprised to see that level of skepticism from you but you bring up a good point, why hasn't amd sent out halo laptops with Carizzo to reviewers?

It s useless to send some gear to the usual troll reviewing sites, and get the product massacred by conveniently selected benches and games settings to please the biggest advertisement buyer of the site....

You think seriously that they should let all those enginering efforts crushed by "softs" a la 3D Particle, or Agitsoft that publicly recommend Intel only, or by the Intel designed WebXPRT when it s not Sysmark..?..

They better send a few samples to a limited numbers of sites like Computerbase.de, Golem.de, Hardware.fr but not to the sites that use discutable and obviously rigged benches, heck even WCCFtech would be better than getting through those hand sleighted reviews.

Flaming and insulting other members is not allowed. Stop the fanboy crap.
Markfw900

 

[maarten12100]

Paper launch perhaps??

I suppose if you have a great product the first thing that I would do is get as much as possible positive media attention by showing how much better the product with your product is in the areas it excels in. The main focus in a review with the Carrizo laptops would be:
Is it good enough for everyday tasks and the same as the Intel system in this respect.
Can't it perform well enough to play some games? And what about on batter?
Does it have the alleged efficiency?
Is the rest of the config build as a premium product or a pile of junk?

So that is why I'm showing skepticism. AMD spent thousands of AMD's Reichsmarks to have Shuttle build prototypes to showcase the best config of Carrizo to their OEMs. Why not bring that to market they press this we are not a system company bla bla. But if it's good why not release a great product and overwhelm the mainstream crowd that has never even heard of AMD.

They be like "AMD what is that does it come with windows?" and then when the product is best in class in a segment like longest Facebook whore-ing on a single charge that positive attention will create brand awareness. Even negative PR is good for AMD because really nobody notices them.

No offense but I'm surprised to see that level of skepticism from you but you bring up a good point, why hasn't amd sent out halo laptops with Carizzo to reviewers?

Just preventing myself from overhyping and getting disappointed in the end like what happened to me with Core-m. Though I should say it wasn't overhyping it was just hyping it was Intel that did the over part. Talking about how good their 14nm node was at first.

It s useless to send some gear to the usual troll reviewing sites, and get the product massacred by conveniently selected benches and games settings to please the biggest advertisement buyer of the site....

You think seriously that they should let all those enginering efforts crushed by "softs" a la 3D Particle, or Agitsoft that publicly recommend Intel only, or by the Intel designed WebXPRT when it s not Sysmark..?..

They better send a few samples to a limited numbers of sites like Computerbase.de, Golem.de, Hardware.fr but not to the sites that use discutable and obviously rigged benches, heck even WCCFtech would be better than getting through those hand sleighted reviews.

Or or or...
They could send one to me I would review it. Though I don't have recent stuff to compare it to I'm owner of a 2630qm, 2670qm, core duo something, a8 6410 and fx 7500 based notebooks to compare. I also have various desktops to compare it to.

Note a bad idea to send WCCFtech some they get a lot of hype going with their stupid rumours all the time. Anyways Extremetech would be a good idea they have those in depth architecture analysis-es and I'm sure they would put out a well made review without cherry picking.

 

[Abwx]

Or or or...
They could send one to me I would review it. Though I don't have recent stuff to compare it to I'm owner of a 2630qm, 2670qm, core duo something, a8 6410 and fx 7500 based notebooks to compare. I also have various desktops to compare it to.

Perhaps it would be better that i get the gear instead, you would be branded as biaised...

Note a bad idea to send WCCFtech some they get a lot of hype going with their stupid rumours all the time. Anyways Extremetech would be a good idea they have those in depth architecture analysis-es and I'm sure they would put out a well made review without cherry picking.

No need to cherry pick, even the two Cinebench are good to use with eventualy PoVray and 3DS Max, this latter can use Blender renderer, that would be a thourough FP perfs examination without any bias for AMD, quite the contrary since 3DS is extremely optimised for Intel recent uarches, not counting the ICC compiled Cinebench.

I would like to see Intel to abide by softs highly optimised for AMD without discussing their validity, heck they would propose offering their compiling suite for free in a row...

For Integer the usual 7Zip, Winrar and X264/265 are all good, some adobe eventualy to compare the CPU and CPU + GPU in Open CL,.

I guess that there s a large choice in this register as typical consumers application use mainly, if not exclusively, Integer code.

 

[Enigmoid]

Perhaps it would be better that i get the gear instead, you would be branded as biaised...

No need to cherry pick, even the two Cinebench are good to use with eventualy PoVray and 3DS Max, this latter can use Blender renderer, that would be a thourough FP perfs examination without any bias for AMD, quite the contrary since 3DS is extremely optimised for Intel recent uarches, not counting the ICC compiled Cinebench.

I would like to see Intel to abide by softs highly optimised for AMD without discussing their validity, heck they would propose offering their compiling suite for free in a row...

For Integer the usual 7Zip, Winrar and X264/265 are all good, some adobe eventualy to compare the CPU and CPU + GPU in Open CL,.

I guess that there s a large choice in this register as typical consumers application use mainly, if not exclusively, Integer code.

Winrar and 7-zip are terrible general indications of integer performance.

7-zip and Winrar are too dependent on memory/cache performance to be good indications of IPC. Adding L4 allows Broadwell C to blow the doors off haswell. They also do not scale well on wide cores.

 

[ph2000]

No offense but I'm surprised to see that level of skepticism from you but you bring up a good point, why hasn't amd sent out halo laptops with Carizzo to reviewers?

most likely waiting for W10 release

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

most likely waiting for W10 release

Exactly.... Carrizo appears to be set to launch officially with Windows 10.
It appears to be a pretty compelling product offering considering just how many design wins it has scored with Dell (an OEM that doesn't usually use AMD CPU's for the most part).

 

[Fjodor2001]

Where do we performance-wise expect Carrizo 15 W to be placed in comparison to Skylake Y (4.5 W) and Skylake U (15 W)? Somewhere in-between those two?

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Where do we performance-wise expect Carrizo 15 W to be placed in comparison to Skylake Y (4.5 W) and Skylake U (15 W)? Somewhere in-between those two?

Carrizo is still Bulldozer derived -- so I'd imagine CPU performance will trail both of them.... But iGPU will be somewhat stronger.

 

[maarten12100]

Carrizo is still Bulldozer derived -- so I'd imagine CPU performance will trail both of them.... But iGPU will be somewhat stronger.

Cinebench numbers are pretty promising and along with the high clocks I see no problem with a 2,5GHz part beating a 1,5GHz part. Clocks don't really matter talking performance at a certain power consumption level.

As for somewhat stronger GPU the Skylake Y will probably get 30 fps in Dirt 3 on very low at HD resolutions and the 15W part will be like 40% slower at the same power I think. Maybe even slower than that depending on whether the 40% numbers we were given were across the board or best vs worst.

I have real doubt we will see Carrizo notebooks available before the end of the month I can't find a single on available that you can pre-order that has a availability date given.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Carrizo is still Bulldozer derived -- so I'd imagine CPU performance will trail both of them.... But iGPU will be somewhat stronger.

Then is it so much to cheer about? A 15 W Carrizo performing worse than a 4.5 W Skylake?

Maybe we'll have to wait until Zen on 14 nm until we see something impressive from AMD after all.

 

[maarten12100]

Then is it so much to cheer about? A 15 W Carrizo performing worse than a 4.5 W Skylake?

Maybe we'll have to wait until Zen on 14 nm until we see something impressive from AMD after all.

"4,5W" Skylake Y, right?
Not trying to be too negative about something not here yet but I fell for the 4,5W the performance was terrible in every way. Also it was using more than 4,5W...

 

[Fjodor2001]

"4,5W" Skylake Y, right?
Not trying to be too negative about something not here yet but I fell for the 4,5W the performance was terrible in every way.

Well, if it still had higher performance than 15 W Carrizo, what does that say about Carrizo?

 

[maarten12100]

Well, if it still had higher performance than 15 W Carrizo, what does that say about Carrizo?

That either Carrizo sucks or Intel lied big time about their power consumption which they by the way do all the time. 9W power consumption when just watching 1080P video I really do doubt the screen, ram, speakers were consuming the 6 additional J/s(W)
Or do you think it should be fully loaded when playing video even then that makes 4,5W.

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/5868-asus-zenbook-ux305-review/

That's one of the better products with it you should look up the Yoga 3 with the Core M. What a joke.

Anyways what I'm saying Intel introduced a segment that they don't even have the product for. Haswell already had 3-4W idle power just was given the ability to stretch it's legs to 30W which wouldn't be possible in this enclosure type of course.

Basically what you're thinking of is impossible considering 15W products today from AMD run circles around Intel's "4,5W" product.

 

[dahorns]

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Basically what you're thinking of is impossible considering 15W products today from AMD run circles around Intel's "4,5W" product.

Uh, based on what?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-M-5Y71-SoC.129324.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-M-5Y10-SoC.125673.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-6410-Notebook-Processor.122644.0.html

 

[maarten12100]

Uh, based on what?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-M-5Y71-SoC.129324.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-M-5Y10-SoC.125673.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-6410-Notebook-Processor.122644.0.html

You haven't linked to any reviews where are the power numbers the real world numbers.
Got you panties in a bunch for some reason just saying your beloved "4,5W" chip doesn't consume that.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Transformer-Book-T300-Chi-Convertible-Review.138153.0.html

This one has a consumption test 30W under max load this is due to variable TDP and is a design choice still you wanna know what the performance is like when capped to "4,5W" check the Zenbook and Yoga 3.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Helix-2-Tablet-Review.136241.0.html

I'm not going to be fooled by these obviously false numbers at least not again...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Toshiba-Portege-Z20t-B-Convertible-Review.140840.0.html

In conclusion 15W Beema destroys the core M if truely at 4,5W. If running 15W it's the other way around for obvious reasons. Carrizo will stomp if numbers are correct again and only so if those numbers provided by AMD were correct.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Then is it so much to cheer about? A 15 W Carrizo performing worse than a 4.5 W Skylake?

Dell seems to think so:
http://www.cnet.com/news/dell-inspirion-amd-carrizo/

The Carrizo should smoke Skylake in 3D applications / games. Time will tell if that is actually true.

 

[Enigmoid]

You haven't linked to any reviews where are the power numbers the real world numbers.
Got you panties in a bunch for some reason just saying your beloved "4,5W" chip doesn't consume that.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Transformer-Book-T300-Chi-Convertible-Review.138153.0.html

This one has a consumption test 30W under max load this is due to variable TDP and is a design choice still you wanna know what the performance is like when capped to "4,5W" check the Zenbook and Yoga 3.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Helix-2-Tablet-Review.136241.0.html

I'm not going to be fooled by these obviously false numbers at least not again...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Toshiba-Portege-Z20t-B-Convertible-Review.140840.0.html

In conclusion 15W Beema destroys the core M if truely at 4,5W. If running 15W it's the other way around for obvious reasons. Carrizo will stomp if numbers are correct again and only so if those numbers provided by AMD were correct.

It spikes to 15W?

And then very quickly drops down to 800/300 mhz to stay at 6W.

NBC "max power" readings are the absolute largest number they see on the power meter during the test. Its not an average.

 

[Fjodor2001]

And then very quickly drops down to 800/300 mhz to stay at 6W.

It's a valid question though. Can Broadwell/Skylake-Y Core M stay at 4.5 W continuously while at max base frequency on ultrabook designs?

 

[dahorns]

Dell seems to think so:
http://www.cnet.com/news/dell-inspirion-amd-carrizo/

The Carrizo should smoke Skylake in 3D applications / games. Time will tell if that is actually true.

I mean... it isn't really saying much when Dell is offering those models only with either Carrizo or Braswell. AMD is still in the value products, with the Core series sitting alone in the high end. Nice to see AMD get back in the mix, but I don't think Dell's product offerings support your statement that Carrizo will crush Skylake. It seems to do the opposite. Atom Braswell is the competitor of Carrizo, not Skylake.

 

[maarten12100]

It spikes to 15W?
And then very quickly drops down to 800/300 mhz to stay at 6W.

NBC "max power" readings are the absolute largest number they see on the power meter during the test. Its not an average.

Even so if it drops to those clocks you are basically going to be better of with cherry trail. 800MHz on the cpu and 300MHz on the gpu...

Relevant meme:

 

[dahorns]

Even so if it drops to those clocks you are basically going to be better of with cherry trail. 800MHz on the cpu and 300MHz on the gpu...

Relevant meme:

Even at those clocks, it has the same or higher average/max FPS in Furmark during the Prime/Furmark stress test than the Mullins chips...

 

[Enigmoid]

Even so if it drops to those clocks you are basically going to be better of with cherry trail. 800MHz on the cpu and 300MHz on the gpu...

Relevant meme:

AVX2 Prime and Furmark are extremely atypical workloads. Don't think cherry trail does much better.

 

[Fjodor2001]

So Broadwell Y is effectively an 800 Mhz base clock CPU, regardless of SKU!?

And we can expect approximately the same from Skylake Y?

 

[Fjodor2001]

Also, in that case Carrizo has to beat the Y models at continuous loads, right? Otherwise it's really embarrasing.