AMD Carrizo APU Details Leaked

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It's sad to see that list of laptops all with low res screens.
That is the Intel influence.

I have acquaintances of acquaintances in upper management at Best Buy and various laptop manufacturing companies.

Intel gives half-off rebates for CPU/APU when paired with 1080p screens + etc.
Intel gives full-off rebates for CPU/APU when paired with 4K screens + etc.

Best Buy gets a rebate for simply selling more Intel-based machines than AMD.

The rebates never stopped. While they have gotten more and more complex in the ways they get achieved. So, they are practically not even rebates or classified as rebates.
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This will effect Carrizo, immensely, because it is launching between Broadwell and Skylake. Unless, AMD upped the IPC to the point where we are looking at Netburst vs K8. Except, K8 is now super cheap and affordable over Netburst. There is no chance of Carrizo getting an affordable 1080p screen other than with the "FX" lineup.
In what way ??
It is all over the place, there is many issues. The AFS(Adaptive Frequency Scaling) is one of the few big ones. With AFS, Kaveri never runs at base clock speeds or boost clock speeds. Whatever is occuring in the Kaveri die. There is regular enough intervals of droops to cause the AFS system to malfunction.

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Back to FDSOI

From LPS to:
2012 // 28-nm FDSOI Gen 1; 10% cost / 30% performance
2014 // 28-nm FDSOI Gen 2; <20% cost / >45% performance
2013 // 20-nm Planar; ~60% cost / ~40% performance
2014 // 14-nm FDSOI Gen 1; ~60% cost / >50% performance / 0.55x shrink
2015 // 14-nm FinFET; ~80% cost / >50% performance / 0.55x shrink
A second generation of 28nm FD-SOI, which implements source/drain engineering, delivers a 25% performance gain over the high-end 28nm high-K/metal gate (HKMG) bulk with slightly lower process wafer cost, or achieve the same performance as 20nm bulk but at the cost of 28nm HKMG.
28-nm UTBB FDSOI performance data is corrupted, only referencing Gen 1 FDSOI.

http://i.imgur.com/TBYwc5j.jpg
This makes more sense with the position of it now. It all makes sense now. The cost saving with 14nm FDSOI was saved but not the performance. I wonder why they want to hide 14-nm FDSOI going beyond 14-nm FinFETs.

Seems STM took somethings from olde AMD;
Continuous Technology Improvement
Introduction of improved transistor designs into high-
volume manufacturing on a quarterly basis
90-nm SOI -> 90-nm SOI + Strain Engineering -> 90-nm SOI + Strain Engineering + DSL -> 65-nm with everything
 
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Wouldn't the color compression performance boost be similar or above what the R9 285 delivers, percentage wise of course?

The GPU portion of Kaveri was starved of bandwidth, if this can get a decent boost in how much effective bandwidth they can get it should give quite a good boost to performance.
 

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Pegatron Corp. Annual Report 2013 - http://www.pegatroncorp.com/investorRelations/annualReport.php
Preparing for AMD&#8217;s next generation platforms (Carrizo & other low power
designs), that have advantages of high efficiency, low power consumption, and
low design cost.
From 2012
Notebook PCs with AMD Temash platform that has the advantages of high
efficiency/low power and low design cost.
From 2011
Notebook PCs with AMD Kabini platform that have the advantages of high
efficiency and low design cost
From 2010
Notebook PCs with AMD Comal platform have the advantages of high efficiency
and low design cost.
I have a feeling Pegatron Corp., is very loose with high efficiency and low design cost.
 
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I don't want this to seem legit. This is complete salt, do not read. This isn't real do not read, this is not the post you are looking for.

There is two APUs and two Excavators, that are coming up.

28-nm APU (Q4 2014) FM2+/FP4 <-- Dual-channel DDR3/PCI Express 3.0
20-nm APU (Q4 2015) HM1/SP2 <-- Quad-channel DDR4/PCI Express 4.0

28-nm (Enhanced Perf/Watt) // Graphic IPv8 GPU(Maui/Tonga)
20-nm (Enhanced Perf/Cost) // Graphic IPv9 GPU(Fiji/Bermuda)

The two Excavators are focusing on;
Greater; Performance/Watt and Performance/Cost
 

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I don't want this to seem legit. This is complete salt, do not read. This isn't real do not read, this is not the post you are looking for.

There is two APUs and two Excavators, that are coming up.

28-nm APU (Q4 2014) FM2+/FP4 <-- Dual-channel DDR3/PCI Express 3.0
20-nm APU (Q4 2015) HM1/SP2 <-- Quad-channel DDR4/PCI Express 4.0

28-nm (Enhanced Perf/Watt) // Graphic IPv8 GPU(Maui/Tonga)
20-nm (Enhanced Perf/Cost) // Graphic IPv9 GPU(Fiji/Bermuda)

The two Excavators are focusing on;
Greater; Performance/Watt and Performance/Cost

That seems... unlikely. AMD are cash strapped and winding down the Bulldozer family, I doubt they would go to the trouble of porting it to two different manufacturing processes when they could pour the resources into K12/Zen/Skybridge.
 

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Kind of hard to compete when Intel is dumping contra-revenue Atom 2-in-1s on Kabini's target market.

Contra revenue only applies to the tablet/smartphone versions of Baytrail. Thats anything but Kabinis target market.
 

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Contra revenue only applies to the tablet/smartphone versions of Baytrail. Thats anything but Kabinis target market.

Bay Trail tablet SoCs go into 2-in-1s like the T100. Budget Windows 8 laptops with low power SoCs? That's definitely Kabini's target market.
 

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Kind of hard to compete when Intel is dumping contra-revenue Atom 2-in-1s on Kabini's target market.

Don't you think that Bulldozer also failed because of contra-revenue? :awe:

Just for the record, there was no contra-revenue scheme last year to talk about in 2013, when Kabini started to lose market share.
 

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Don't you think that Bulldozer also failed because of contra-revenue? :awe:

Errm, no.

Just for the record, there was no contra-revenue scheme last year to talk about in 2013, when Kabini started to lose market share.

Go on then, give me some hard numbers for how much contra-revenue Intel paid out in 2013 and 2014.
 

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Go on then, give me some hard numbers for how much contra-revenue Intel paid out in 2013 and 2014.

All we have is a disclosure from Intel that 1 billion in contra-revenue would be employed in 2014, AFAIK there is nothing about 2013. Would you have some evidence?
 

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Contra revenue only applies to the tablet/smartphone versions of Baytrail. Thats anything but Kabinis target market.

You d think so.??.

Actualy Intel is doing anti competitive practices that are blatantly targeting AMD low power offerings, no wonder that it took so much time to have products like this :

AMD A10 Micro-6700T

10,1-Zoll-Display mit 1.920 × 1.200
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http://www.computerbase.de/2014-10/erstes-windows-tablet-mit-mullins-apu-gesichtet/
 

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You d think so.??.

Actualy Intel is doing anti competitive practices that are blatantly targeting AMD low power offerings, no wonder that it took so much time to have products like this :

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-10/erstes-windows-tablet-mit-mullins-apu-gesichtet/

Utter rubbish.

Also AMD isnt exactly known for its ability to deliver after a release. And we certainly dont lack examples there.

Its always everyone elses fault than AMD, right?

And the example you list, an amazing 6- 8 hours battery time. It didnt ring any alarm bells for you?
 
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You d think so.??.

Actualy Intel is doing anti competitive practices that are blatantly targeting AMD low power offerings, no wonder that it took so much time to have products like this :

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-10/erstes-windows-tablet-mit-mullins-apu-gesichtet/
Perhaps AMD's biggest problem is that they have products that almost no one desires.

And certainly, AMD's biggest issue with getting products to market is with themselves. They fail pretty miserably at timely execution.

But no, it's always everyone's fault other than AMD's, isn't it? I wish people here did not go so much out of their way to hide themselves from the truth.
 
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Perhaps AMD's biggest problem is that they have products that almost no one desires.

Ask anyone/everyone here, for the same price same screen Win 8.1 Tablet what they would choose, BayTrail or Mullins ?? Then you can make any conclusions if nobody wants there products ;)

And certainly, AMD's biggest issue with getting products to market is with themselves. They fail pretty miserably at timely execution.

I will agree they are responsible for late market availability for a lot of products but 2014 Tablet SoCs are not their fault with all this Intel Contra Revenue going on.
 

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Ask anyone/everyone here, for the same price same screen Win 8.1 Tablet what they would choose, BayTrail or Mullins ?? Then you can make any conclusions if nobody wants there products ;)
You think this forum is representative of the rest of the market? Oh dear...
I will agree they are responsible for late market availability for a lot of products but 2014 Tablet SoCs are not their fault with all this Intel Contra Revenue going on.
Beema/Mullins has taken forever to make it to market, regardless of the market segment. That is, even in markets where Bay Trail is not being subsidized, AMD has still taken forever to hit the shelves.
 
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Ask anyone/everyone here, for the same price same screen Win 8.1 Tablet what they would choose, BayTrail or Mullins ?? Then you can make any conclusions if nobody wants there products ;)

Thats very easy, Baytrail. Simply because of battery life. Plus its a product you can actually buy and have a wide selection of.