AMD back in gear, Centurion FX

[frozentundra123456]

To balance the systematic bias from posters like you.

Hmmm. Projecting your own behavior onto others I see.

 

[Enigmoid]

Yes , the very best one that did use a 45/55W IB
to show how good and competitive HD4000 was
compared to a 35W Trinity.

Yep, both sold in laptops. One is more expensive.

But basically the comparison between the top mobile amd igp and the top mobile intel igp. Not intel's/anand's problem that amd doesn't ship 45 watt mobile processors.

There is a price range difference but basically its comparable to comparing the 8350 to the 3770k on the desktop.


(It was a 45 watt chip too).

 

[Abwx]

Not intel's/anand's problem that amd doesn't ship 45 watt mobile processors.

How to turn your bias as an argument , although it will just
add to your credibility or rather lack of .

So AMD has to provide a 45W chip even if there is a 35W intel
chip according to Anand own words and that for some resons he didnt
use one , surely to make the comparison more "fair"....

 

[Sweepr]

How to turn your bias as an argument , although it will just
add to your credibility or rather lack of .

So AMD has to provide a 45W chip even if there is a 35W intel
chip according to Anand own words and that for some resons he didnt
use one , surely to make the comparison more "fair"....

It is Intel's best vs AMD's best. That simple. Not too difficult to understand huh? Seems like you're pissed off because the gap between IB and Trinity is smaller than what we saw previously fastest SB vs fastest Llano (mobile).

 

[frozentundra123456]

How to turn your bias as an argument , although it will just
add to your credibility or rather lack of .

So AMD has to provide a 45W chip even if there is a 35W intel
chip according to Anand own words and that for some resons he didnt
use one , surely to make the comparison more "fair"....

You seem to have no problem comparing a 125 watt 8350 with a 77 watt i5 or i7. Why? Because both are top of the line from each company in the respective category.

Same thing in this case, as someone else said. Anand is comparing top of the line processors in that category from each company.

 

[galego]

In the Anandtech forums, Anandtech reviews are the ones that count. Otherwise why post here?

This is pretty ridiculous by several reasons.

What If I am interested in a concrete software which has not been considered by AT? What If I am interested in a concrete hardware which has not been considered by AT? Cannot cite reviews considering those?

What about all the guys who are attacking AMD in this thread and are citing reviews from others? Why you did not bother to reply to them?

What about myself being the first who cited AT review regarding the power delta between the FX-8350 and the i7-3770k?

 

[Gikaseixas]

You seem to have no problem comparing a 125 watt 8350 with a 77 watt i5 or i7. Why? Because both are top of the line from each company in the respective category.

Same thing in this case, as someone else said. Anand is comparing top of the line processors in that category from each company.

there's always a first time... i finally agree with something you said wow
Very well put.

 

[galego]

What benchmarks are "fair"? Apparently only the ones that fit your bias.

This is pretty simple. A unfair benchmark is one that cheats the results. Google biased benchmarks and you can find the names of some well-known biased benchmarks. Sponsored benchmarks are known as well.

Open source benchmarks are the only one that you can be 100% sure are not biased. Why? Because you can see the code and see what the benchmarks is really doing/measuring.

A closed source benchmark could be measuring Intel chip, obtaining a score of 2000 points, measuring a VIA chip, obtaining a score of 2300 points, and then apply a cheating factor before presenting the next results in a windows:

==== SCORE ====

Intel: 2000

VIA: 1700

=============

Since you cannot access the code you do not know that the result was cheated.

 

[galego]

That may have been the case in the past, but the latest gcc has reached parity on Intel and AMD x86-64 processors (at least it has on the programs I've tested on).

In general GCC beats AMD compiler, which actually beats Intel compiler.

 

[AtenRa]

You seem to have no problem comparing a 125 watt 8350 with a 77 watt i5 or i7. Why? Because both are top of the line from each company in the respective category.

Same thing in this case, as someone else said. Anand is comparing top of the line processors in that category from each company.

125W FX8350 is priced lower than 77W Core i5 and Core i7. Not only that, in Desktop, you don’t suffer with lower performance with a lower TDP like in Laptops.

45W Mobile Core i7 is not only 10W higher in TDP allowing it to have more performance than a 35W TDP APU, but it also cost 2x times the price of 35W trinity.

But i will agree that it is the Highest Intel APU, BUT, AT should also had to use a 35W(same price as Trinity) Intel Mobile APU to have an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Enigmoid]

This is pretty simple. A unfair benchmark is one that cheats the results. Google biased benchmarks and you can find the names of some well-known biased benchmarks. Sponsored benchmarks are known as well.

Open source benchmarks are the only one that you can be 100% sure are not biased. Why? Because you can see the code and see what the benchmarks is really doing/measuring.

A closed source benchmark could be measuring Intel chip, obtaining a score of 2000 points, measuring a VIA chip, obtaining a score of 2300 points, and then apply a cheating factor before presenting the next results in a windows:

==== SCORE ====

Intel: 2000

VIA: 1700

=============

Since you cannot access the code you do not know that the result was cheated.

You are forgetting that ultimately the people who buy the ships for productivity don't give a **** about that. All they care about is what gets the job done faster.

I'm not going to buy at chip that 'should' get the job faster. I'm going to buy the chip that gets the job done faster and makes me more money.

Benchmarks must be relevant to what is being done with the chip. I don't care if chip a is 40% faster in some open source bench if its 30% slower in cs6 and that's how I make my money.

 

[ShintaiDK]

In general GCC beats AMD compiler, which actually beats Intel compiler.

Intels compiler in Windows is the fastest for AMD chips.

If there was some magic and cheating, AMD should make a better compiler of its own. Yet they didnt, so AMD themselves dont seem to agree with you as well. Its not Intels job to do AMDs own job.

 

[Enigmoid]

125W FX8350 is priced lower than 77W Core i5 and Core i7. Not only that, in Desktop, you don’t suffer with lower performance with a lower TDP like in Laptops.

45W Mobile Core i7 is not only 10W higher in TDP allowing it to have more performance than a 35W TDP APU, but it also cost 2x times the price of 35W trinity.

But i will agree that it is the Highest Intel APU, BUT, AT should also had to use a 35W(same price as Trinity) Intel Mobile APU to have an apples to apples comparison.

Not really. Nothing is stopping AMD from putting a 45 watt cpu in their laptops. Gaming performance with a 35 watt chip is going to be very similar (hd 4000 might be clocked about 10% slower--if they use a high end dual core then no--using a 35 watt quad, intel will still leave amd in the dust).

With laptops you must look at the price of the laptop as a whole (can't seperate individual components).

The cheapest i7 quad on newegg costs $700 and comes with a gt 635m (8 GB ram, 1TB hdd)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834312432

The cheapest a10 costs $530 and comes with a 7670m (6GB ram and 750 gb hdd).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215974

The i7 quad is about 3x the straight cpu performance of the a10. 7660G + 7670m is going to, on average perform comparably with a 635m (considering the 7660G by itself is about 30-40% worse than the 635m and hybrid crossfire sometimes doesn't work, sometimes stutters, etc).

Cpu performance per dollar is heavily towards intel, gaming is slightly towards amd (considering that the a10 cannot play games such as gw2, hitman, as well because of a weak cpu). RAM and hdd are large enough that it basically doesn't matter.

 

[Piroko]

It is Intel's best vs AMD's best. That simple. Not too difficult to understand huh? Seems like you're pissed off because the gap between IB and Trinity is smaller than what we saw previously fastest SB vs fastest Llano (mobile).

I have to agree with Abwx in that that specific review was bad. But for different reasons, I hardly ever see an 45W/55W Intel chip in a Notebook without a discrete card at the shops. It's just not something that consumers will see (and therefore buy), they'll mostly see the 35W Pentium/i3 chips without a discrete card.

Obligatory disclaimer: It doesn't make that much of a difference though, the HD4000s will lose some fps here and there, but not much.

 

[Abwx]

You seem to have no problem comparing a 125 watt 8350 with a 77 watt i5 or i7. Why? Because both are top of the line from each company in the respective category.

Same thing in this case, as someone else said. Anand is comparing top of the line processors in that category from each company.

Suddenly , because it suit their agenda , the intel afficionado
see no relevance for power comsumption , an argument they
unrelentelessy used to death to trash Bulldozer...

I never said that power do not matter , that s just a plain
lie that you re putting in my mouth and then do as if
i could be countered with it....

 

[AtenRa]

Gaming performance with a 35 watt chip is going to be very similar (hd 4000 might be clocked about 10% slower--if they use a high end dual core then no--using a 35 watt quad, intel will still leave amd in the dust).

Intel 45W TDP HD4000 is loosing to AMD 35W TDP Trinity and you are saying that an Intel 35W TDP HD4000 will leave AMD in the dust? Are you joking or what ??

Edit:
Performance and Scaling Overview of Intel HD Graphics 4000

Its only one game but you get the picture, Intel doesn't what you to know that HD4000 in core i3 doesn't have the same performance as in Core i7. The majority of users believe that by getting an HD4000 with the Core i3 they getting the same performance they read in the Core i7 reviews.:whiste:

 

[Phynaz]

I'm not going to buy at chip that 'should' get the job faster. I'm going to buy the chip that gets the job done faster and makes me more money.

This x 100. It's what junior doesn't get.

 

[R0H1T]

Seriously the unrelenting love for Intel on this forum(like many others) is nauseating at times

 

[mikk]

Intel 45W TDP HD4000 is loosing to AMD 35W TDP Trinity and you are saying that an Intel 35W TDP HD4000 will leave AMD in the dust? Are you joking or what ??

Only true for A10-4600M but not for the much slower A6 and A8 models.

 

[Phynaz]

Intel 45W TDP HD4000 is loosing to AMD 35W TDP Trinity and you are saying that an Intel 35W TDP HD4000 will leave AMD in the dust? Are you joking or what ??

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Performance-and-Scaling-Overview-of-Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.82847.0.html

How many people buy a laptop to play 3Dmark?

 

[Phynaz]

Seriously the unrelenting love for Intel on this forum(like many others) is nauseating at times

And yet you continue to read / post here. Says a lot doesn't it?

 

[AtenRa]

How many people buy a laptop to play 3Dmark?

Have a look at the Deus Ex, Core i5 35W TDP HD4000 is 20% slower than 45W 6MB Core i7 3740QM used in AT Trinity review. You will find that happens in the majority of the games.

 

[Abwx]

This x 100. It's what junior doesn't get.

I already told you , a fast CPU didnt help you when deciding
to cut your losses with AMDs shrinking stock , so much
for the job done....

 

[Sleepingforest]

Suddenly , because it suit their agenda , the intel afficionado see no relevance for power comsumption , an argument they
unrelentelessy used to death to trash Bulldozer...

I never said that power do not matter , that s just a plain
lie that you re putting in my mouth and then do as if
i could be countered with it....

Suddenly, because it suits their agenda, the AMD afficionado sees relevance for power consumption, an argument that they unrelentingly cast aside as unimportant to trash Ivy Bridge.

I never said that TDP matters, that's just a plain lie that you're putting in my mouth and then act as though saying that counters what I'm saying.

I can do it too, and without the bad grammar and spelling.

Either we compare flagships or we compare by TDP everywhere. You can't pick one for some times and the other for other times.

 

[AtenRa]

Either we compare flagships

Then we should compare 6-core Core i7 to FX8350 and HD7970 to HD4000.