AMD and Intel

[Burtie21]

At the moment i have an athlon 2500+ oc'ed a little but I don't care if I go AMD or Intel, and i realize that it's a bit early, but for christmas i was thinking about getting a new cpu.

Now I've heard the story AMD for gaming, Intel for multi tasking>> the multi tasking part is what confuses me:

-Sometime i play americas army, or unreal 2k4(Let's just say games in general), with ICQ and ventrilo open, is this considered multitalking?

-I also sometimes listen to music with KaZaa lite open, but minimzed in my taskbar, with 2-5 internet explorer windows open, is this considered multi tasking?

These are my main concerns, no hurry because it's only september 30th, but I would still lik to know

Thanks again, Graeme

Ps. why can't my AMD2500+ go past 175 fsb?, it's not temps, they are only like 45 at load???my system is in my sig

 

[Lithan]

Nothing you describe will have any problems running on any system. People who will tell you that it will are full of crap and need a swift kick in the groin.

My guess would be because you are using 3 sticks of ram in a cheap motherboard.

 

[Burtie21]

it's 2 sticks of ram, 1 512 and 1 256, if that matters

and it is a cheap motherboard, but it's supposed to be able to do 200 fsb cause it supports AMD 3200+'s, not sure tho, cause oc'ing is different right? is it still the problem?

 

[Lithan]

I've found a number of ultra400 boards that wont do pc3200 with more than a single stick of ram. QC isn't very good on the cheaper brands.

 

[Burtie21]

say it does work with only my 512 stick, do u think the performance gain of being at 2.2ghz would be worth losing 256mb of ram?

 

[Lithan]

Yes

 

[Burtie21]

thanks

 

[Avalon]

If that 2500+ is a desktop chip, then it's probably reached its limits. My old 2500+ could not budge past 180 FSB without insane increases in voltage. Tossed in a mobile barton, and all was well.

For your needs, it sounds like your priority will be gaming, so go ahead and snag an AMD Athlon 64. Grab the 3200+ 512kb Newcastle, if you can afford it. If not, scale downward accordingly.

 

[Burtie21]

actually theres something else that confuses me with the A64's so here i go:

So the 754 is the old slot right, and it had the cpu's with 1meg L2 cache and no dual channel DDR right? these were also called clawhammer's right?

Then the 939 id the new socket, has 512k of L2 cache and supports dual channel DDR, these are called newcastle right?

So how is it that there is a 754 newcastle with 512k of L2????????

Is this newegg screwing up?, or is there something new I should know about?

Graeme

 

[laurenlex]

754 is the old slot. It does not support dual channel memory. It takes newcastle or clawhammer 754 processors. Newcastles have have half the cache and a faster clock speed than a clawhammer. They perform about the same.

 

[Lithan]

Let's take the 2800+, 3200+ and 3500+
These processors exist.

2800+ 754 clawhammer 512k (1meg with 512k disabled) cache 1.8ghz .13 process
2800+ 754 Newcastle 512k cache 1.8ghz .13 process
3200+ 754 Clawhammer 1meg cache 2ghz .13 process
3200+ 754 Newcastle 512k cache 2.2ghz .13 process
3200+ 939 Winchester 512k cache 2.0ghz .09 process
3500+ 939 Newcatle 512k cache 2.2ghz .13 process
3500+ 939 Winchester 512k cache 2.2ghz .09 process


All the 939's support dual channel DDR.

 

[Burtie21]

thanks again

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Burtie21
At the moment i have an athlon 2500+ oc'ed a little but I don't care if I go AMD or Intel, and i realize that it's a bit early, but for christmas i was thinking about getting a new cpu.

Now I've heard the story AMD for gaming, Intel for multi tasking>> the multi tasking part is what confuses me:

-Sometime i play americas army, or unreal 2k4(Let's just say games in general), with ICQ and ventrilo open, is this considered multitalking?

-I also sometimes listen to music with KaZaa lite open, but minimzed in my taskbar, with 2-5 internet explorer windows open, is this considered multi tasking?

in it's "lightest" form

These are my main concerns, no hurry because it's only september 30th, but I would still lik to know

Thanks again, Graeme

under those "light usage" conditions, i don't expect you would see any difference in the tasking abilites between the 2 platforms. to see this (for the most part) you need to have 2 processes both requesting high cpu time.

[/quote]Ps. why can't my AMD2500+ go past 175 fsb?, it's not temps, they are only like 45 at load???my system is in my sig[/quote]

heat is not the only determining factor in overclocking a cpu. it may be able to clock higher with more voltage, or it may simply be a case of that chip not physically being able to handle any higher speeds.

regarding your old slot new slot comparison, the dual channel mem (unlike intel) offers little signgificant advantage due to the different athlon64 architecture (on die memory controller), and the only significant advantage of the "new" socket will be it won't require a mb upgrade to ramp past 3700+ cpus. imo this is rather a moot point, as by the time i require a processor at those speeds, i will be replacing it with pci-e anyway....

 

[Markfw]

Maybe no AGP lock on your motherboard ? That could be a real problem.

Edit: I saw your PSU, and een if the voltages look good, it is a possibility that is the problem.

 

[Burtie21]

ok how would i find out about this agp lock?

and my psu it's an L&C

What happens when i try to do 180 is my system tries to reboot, and then everything is on, but nothing shows up on the screen, its almost like it goes right to sleep when i turn it on?

 

[Markfw]

I see you have it at 193. Why do you say it won;t go over 175 ?

 

[Burtie21]

the fsb is 175, the speed is 1.93

Honestly, how much ass does ur main rig kick?

 

[Markfw]

Try exactly 200, if the settings are that way, it might work better than at 180, since it might auto-use dividers. I don;t know that motherboard that well. Set the cas timings to 3-3-3-11

 

[Tiamat]

what Markfw900 said.

Try jumping directly to FSB 200. and set your ram voltage to 2.7 or 2.75V and your cpu voltage to 1.75V. If it is stable, then slowly lower your ram latencies and cpu voltage.

Like: start ram at 333-10, then go to 2.5-3-3-10, then 2.5-2-3-10, and then 2.5-2-2-10, 2-2-2-10. With generic, i doubt you will get past 2.5-3-3-10 setting which is perfectly fine - its probably the difference of 1 or 2 fps in a computer game at best.

For light multitasking - AIM/ICQ + Winamp + downloading program + game + email program, any processor will do. For heavy multitasking like playing game + SETI, you want Intel's hyperthreading.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

"-I also sometimes listen to music with KaZaa lite open, but minimzed in my taskbar, with 2-5 internet explorer windows open, is this considered multi tasking? "

who cares what the performance is if you use 8% of your cpu?

if you are running multiple threads at the same time the performance increase is 3-5% with hyperthreading

if you are getting it for christmas i'd reccomend something like a new mobo, new reision of 90 nm 3200 or 3500

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Burtie21
At the moment i have an athlon 2500+ oc'ed a little but I don't care if I go AMD or Intel, and i realize that it's a bit early, but for christmas i was thinking about getting a new cpu.

Now I've heard the story AMD for gaming, Intel for multi tasking>> the multi tasking part is what confuses me:

-Sometime i play americas army, or unreal 2k4(Let's just say games in general), with ICQ and ventrilo open, is this considered multitalking?

-I also sometimes listen to music with KaZaa lite open, but minimzed in my taskbar, with 2-5 internet explorer windows open, is this considered multi tasking?

These are my main concerns, no hurry because it's only september 30th, but I would still lik to know

Thanks again, Graeme

Ps. why can't my AMD2500+ go past 175 fsb?, it's not temps, they are only like 45 at load???my system is in my sig

Buy a 2.4c and run it at 275 fsb. 'Nuff said.

 

[cbehnken]

Felix, I'm not understanding your advice. 2.4c run 133 FSB quad pumped by default, correct? So what you are saying is to run 275 fsb quad pumped? This is 1100 Mhz. I may be wrong on this but the multiplier on a 2.4 should be 18. 18 x 275 = 4950 Mhz.

This would be a nice overclock, no doubt, but I don't see it happening.

I must've misunderstood you, please explain what you mean...

 

[Avalon]

I think what Felix meant was to buy an AMD.

 

[Markfw]

Felix , stop trolling you ahole.... Be constructive or shut the H up.....

Edit: Why isn't Felix banned yet.....

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Avalon
I think what Felix meant was to buy an AMD.

:laugh: I almost spit out the beef jerky I was chewing. Avalon, that's mean of you. Don't you know that some people eat at their computers? Be more considerate when posting funny stuff like that.

Cbehnken, you are wrong. The 2.4C has a 12X multiplier. The 2.4B and 2.4A have 18X multiplier. Finally, the 2.4 has a 24X multiplier. At 275MHz FSB, the 2.4C will be running around 3.3GHz. Not a bad overclock and not unknown to happen, however also not guaranteed.

Burtie21, the A64 chip is a pretty strong contender. Keep that in mind and ask again when you are within 1 week of buying. There may be many changes by then that will affect what people recommend (except FelixDeCat, he's pretty consistant). New motherboards will be out, new chipsets will be out, socket 939 will (hopefully) have more mature motherboards out, more CPUs will be out.