dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
That makes perfect sense to me. If my mobo was AM2 instead of socket 939, I'd definitely look this one up.
LOL! Take this picture and put some ads all around and you'll have a great summary of THG's website.
http://frontier.cincinnati.com...ages/manure-703888.jpg
Not a bad article, really. I don't understand why some of you guys get yer panties in such a wad . . .
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Which is stupid. If Intel CPUs aren't an option, why compare them to Intel CPUs at all (stock or otherwise)? If you are going to show the performance of Intel CPUs, as if there was the possibility you could own one, you might as well show how they will do overclocked.
I think they didn't show the OC'd intel because its common knowledge that they wipe the floor with AMD when OC'd. To me, they were showing where an OC'd 5000+ landed in terms of performance when compared to intel. If you can only afford to upgrade the cpu, it would be quite handy to see how it stacks up to intel in order to decide whether or not its worth the money. It would be pointless to show the intel OC'd since the person would have to buy a new cpu and motherboard and that might be outside their budget. I liked the article and showing where they OC'd 5000+ lands on their charts useful.
But they'd also need a new CPU and motherboard if they were using a stock Intel chip as well. And if you want to tell if it's worth the money, then you should compare its overclocked performance to the performance of an overclocked Intel chip of the same price. Then you could decide if it would be worth it to buy a new MB. That's why the author's tests don't follow from his premise.
I thought the article was about how the 5000+ Black Edition performed, not about who's chip overclocks the best.
Did I miss something?
Did I miss something?
BigDH01,
I meant that if they were going to upgrade the cpu on their existing AM2 rig, it would be cheaper than going with an intel solution which would require a new mobo. The article even states on the first page that the article is about upgrading the cpu on AM2 systems and what the benefits are. Buying a cpu for $127 that can get you close to the top tier of intels running at default speeds seems like a great deal to me. Remember this article from last month?: http://www.tomshardware.com/20.../12/pentium_dual_core/
I like these value oriented articles because they help me get great performance at low prices. I wish more sites did them instead of trying to OC the top-of-the-line chips which cost more than most people want to spend. What bugs me is that it seems the main "sin" was that THG did the review. I get the impression that if Anandtech did it, the same posters would be praising the article for helping us save money and getting great performance.
I meant that if they were going to upgrade the cpu on their existing AM2 rig, it would be cheaper than going with an intel solution which would require a new mobo. The article even states on the first page that the article is about upgrading the cpu on AM2 systems and what the benefits are. Buying a cpu for $127 that can get you close to the top tier of intels running at default speeds seems like a great deal to me. Remember this article from last month?: http://www.tomshardware.com/20.../12/pentium_dual_core/
I like these value oriented articles because they help me get great performance at low prices. I wish more sites did them instead of trying to OC the top-of-the-line chips which cost more than most people want to spend. What bugs me is that it seems the main "sin" was that THG did the review. I get the impression that if Anandtech did it, the same posters would be praising the article for helping us save money and getting great performance.
LOL! Shows you how dumb THG really is. I'd rather upgrade to an Intel C2D rig than buy a Black Edition processor.
Anand wouldn't waste his time with a review like that. THG has nothing else to report so they come up with dumb crap like this Black Edition review.
I disagree. Someone running an AM2 rig with a cheapie cpu could upgrade for a small amount of money and get much better performance. That kind of info is valuable IMO. It's also important to know what the equivelent performance of a C2D would be as its what most sites discuss these days. I've seen plenty of posts asking which amd cpu is the equal of what intel cpu so this gives the reader a good reference to judge the benefit of upgrading.
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I think that the article was written for the typical tom's reader. That sort of article makes sense over there because they would rather spend $130 for a marginal upgrade to their current system instead of $200 (after selling their current am2 mobo) to double the performance of their system. It goes without saying that most AT readers would go with B.
Unlocked AMD were available for the FX series a long time ago. Seeing an unlocked AMD CPU is nothing new and that's the only thing that the Black Edition series are. Overclocking it in a review and comparing it to a stock Core 2 Duo is pathetic in my book.
THG reviews are usually half assed. I recall one of the reviews stated that the stock X1900XT heatsink didn't have heatpipes.
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...e_cooler_roundup_2006/
"There are no heat pipes in this cooler; it uses simple copper fins to dissipate heat."
Hello! If you take the plastic cover off of the cooler you can see two small heatpipes that are built into the base of the cooler! I pointed it out to the guy that did the review and he didn't feel it was worth mentioning. Wake up, at least have a clue what you are talking about.
My mother used to have a favorite saying, you'd do well to consider it:
"If you don't have anything nice to say . . . Don't say anything at all"
You've made a least a half-dozen posts in this thread, all negative. Do you really hate yourself that much? Please find another thread to spread your hate!!!
Hermit
Bryan, it might not be as marginal an upgrade as you think. Let's say someone is running a cheap mobo with limited bios options(ECS comes to mind) and the cheapest AM2 cpu made. If the mobo can at least allow multiplier changes, your performance could jump significantly for a paltry $130. That's nothing to sneeze at. Not to mention that you are assuming that selling their old rig would be possible.
It's quite true that AMD has had cpus with unlocked multis for some time. What you fail to mention is that they were charging a lot for those cpus. Now they are offering one at under $130 that can reach 3.1Ghz at default voltage. Definately worth a review for dollar minded people.
"Overclocking it in a review and comparing it to a stock Core 2 Duo is pathetic in my book."
They're just trying to be honest that Intel is way ahead of AMD. Do any of you remember how AMD used to hold booths at technology events and put up two idential systems but distinct only according to motherboards and processors, one have an Intel server chip and the other competing PC having an AMD server CPU.
As you know, AMD used to boast about their Opteron and mock Intel that if they didn't show up with a faster computer, etc.. you know, blah blah blah
I wonder if AMD still has thoughts about that now?
It doesn't need a review though. People can look at NewEgg's reviews to see what people have overclocked it to. Maybe THG could have done a simple one page notice or something but 31 pages all for one processor? What the hell?
:laugh:
Sorry, you had me LOL @ this post. You are quite the hypocrite aren't you? Please take your personal opinion on me to PM and try to stay on topic within this thread in the future, thanks.
I'll upgrade the platform until it's pretty much maxed. The old parts go into storage until a new system can be built, for a family member for friend.
I guess I'm one of the few people on AT that are responsible for the well being of other people besides myself.
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