AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Phynaz]

FX is a CPU, Trinity A10-5800K is an APU. I believe you know the difference dont ya ??

The difference is you are falling for marketing. If it runs a computer it's a CPU.

 

[Abwx]

I am not proposing using a pentium. What I am saying, which you conveniently ignore, is that the igp in trinity is barely adequate for some less demanding current titles and thus will be far from future proof.

To the contrary , it will be better in the future...

The only games where it is seems to lack power are the ones
that are specificaly optimized for Intel s CPUs .
As shown a few posts above even with a discrete GPU
the AMD CPUs , including Trinity , have some kind of disease...

Indeed no CPU will be up to the task if a game is compiled
using ICC and its infamous dispatcher unless , of course,
this is an Intel one.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/847-16/conclusion.html

 

[frozentundra123456]

To the contrary , it will be better in the future...

The only games where it is seems to lack power are the ones
that are specificaly optimized for Intel s CPUs .
As shown a few posts above even with a discrete GPU
the AMD CPUs , including Trinity , have some kind of disease...

Indeed no CPU will be up to the task if a game is compiled
using ICC and its infamous dispatcher unless , of course,
this is an Intel one.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/847-16/conclusion.html

Let me be sure of what you are saying, because it is so ridiculous I cant believe it.
You are saying that the igpu in trinity will be able to run future more demanding games better than it runs current ones? Wow, my 9800GT should be great in a couple of years. Maybe my old HD4650 will even run crysis 3.

 

[Abwx]

Let me be sure of what you are saying, because it is so ridiculous I cant believe it.
You are saying that the igpu in trinity will be able to run future more demanding games better than it runs current ones? Wow, my 9800GT should be great in a couple of years. Maybe my old HD4650 will even run crysis 3.

I let you be sure that you re (voluntarly ?) making a fool of yourself...

It wont be worse in the future and it will even improve thanks
to greater parralelism in games.

Comprendo ..??.

 

[AtenRa]

The difference is you are falling for marketing. If it runs a computer it's a CPU.

Trinity has Graphics(iGPU), it is an APU, FX does not its only a CPU. This has nothing to do with Marketing, dont you thing ??

 

[podspi]

The difference is you are falling for marketing. If it runs a computer it's a CPU.

Trinity has Graphics(iGPU), it is an APU, FX does not its only a CPU. This has nothing to do with Marketing, dont you thing ??

Regardless, the FX-series and the A-series are targeted at different markets. You guys are just arguing semantics.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I let you be sure that you re (voluntarly ?) making a fool of yourself...




Comprendo ..??.

Guess you dont understand sarcasm. Anyway, I will stand by my contention that in the desktop, compared to a discrete card of even the mid range, any APU is woefully inadequate for gaming. You amd fans can try to obfuscate that fact in any number of ways, as you are doing in these forums, but it is still the truth. And I am not anti-amd. I think their graphics cards are great, and there is a place for trinity in laptops. On the desktop, if you want to game, add a discrete card. Simple. If you simply must buy amd, you still need a discrete card. The APU is simply not enough. And you think it will be more adequate in the future??? Good luck with that.

 

[Phynaz]

Trinity has Graphics(iGPU), it is an APU, FX does not its only a CPU. This has nothing to do with Marketing, dont you thing ??

No, I don't "thing".

APU is a term made up by AMD's marketing department. Which you have appeared to have fallen hard for.

 

[Red Hawk]

Someone had to invent the terms CPU and GPU at some point. APU is simpler than saying CPU with on-die GPU.

 

[AtenRa]

No, I don't "thing".

APU is a term made up by AMD's marketing department. Which you have appeared to have fallen hard for.

Someone had to invent the terms CPU and GPU at some point. APU is simpler than saying CPU with on-die GPU.

He knew that, but he had to say something negative about AMDs marketing and me :whiste:

 

[Phynaz]

APU is simpler than saying CPU with on-die GPU.

Why? It's still a CPU. CPU has been defined by the computing industry, APU has not. Should we rename things whenever they get new instructions or capabilities?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Why? It's still a CPU. CPU has been defined by the computing industry, APU has not. Should we rename things whenever they get new instructions or capabilities?

If it makes you feel any better, "APU" was coined long before AMD started using it (2006), and despite your objections is quite valid.

 

[Red Hawk]

Why? It's still a CPU. CPU has been defined by the computing industry, APU has not. Should we rename things whenever they get new instructions or capabilities?

It's not just a CPU. The GPU portion carries out tasks which have been defined by the computing industry as not part of what a CPU does. There is a difference between just a CPU and a CPU with a GPU on the same die. Again, saying "APU" is simpler than saying "CPU with an on-die GPU".

 

[Ferzerp]

It's not just a CPU. The GPU portion carries out tasks which have been defined by the computing industry as not part of what a CPU does. There is a difference between just a CPU and a CPU with a GPU on the same die. Again, saying "APU" is simpler than saying "CPU with an on-die GPU".

It's pure marketing with the purpose of attempting to pretend that the CPU isn't the most important part of a CPU because AMD can't compete in CPUs.

It is akin to nvidia's silly claims that the cpu is dead (an attempt to play up their strengths and pretend their weaknesses don't matter).

By calling it something else, they try to shift the focus to an area that they have the ability to compete in. A rose by any other name though...

edit: It is sort of like all of those insurance commercials that only mention price. Sure, they may have a good price, but it's purely marketing that they *only* want to talk price in their ads (Gee, what about how good is the actual policy and service?)

 

[AtenRa]

(Gee, what about how good is the actual policy and service?)

Lets see how good is the product,

Same CPU performance (Within +/- 5%) against the more expensive Core i3 3225
Better Graphics than the more expensive Core i3 3225
Better OpenCL performance than the more expensive 3225
Lower idle power than the more expensive Core i3 3225
Better future proof platform than socket 1155

No wonder why Intel(and certain people) doesn't want it to compare against the Core i3. :whiste:

 

[anikhtos]

Lets see how good is the product,

Same CPU performance (Within +/- 5%) against the more expensive Core i3 3225
Better Graphics than the more expensive Core i3 3225
Better OpenCL performance than the more expensive 3225
Lower idle power than the more expensive Core i3 3225
Better future proof platform than socket 1155

No wonder why Intel(and certain people) doesn't want it to compare against the Core i3. :whiste:

1)same cpu performance with i3 3225
2)better igpu performance by magnitude
3)idle power similar and in the error debending the mobo i3 can easily be the lowest

4)worse load consumption which means louder fan
5)future proof!??!?!? intel has i5 i7 already for the socket even if amd gives an upgrade for what 5-10%max cpu upgrade??? i do not see the platform more future proof.

trinity has a market but depending the purpose an i3 can do the job.
if it was not for the netfix even a bobcat or atom will do for a low end machine

 

[Ferzerp]

I like how you pretended to respond to me, but didn't address the marketing slant at all.

It's blaringly obvious why they try to push the term "APU" for a cpu with integrated graphics.

 

[TerryMathews]

I like how you pretended to respond to me, but didn't address the marketing slant at all.

It's blaringly obvious why they try to push the term "APU" for a cpu with integrated graphics.

Maybe because it's short and easy to say? What do you think it should be called?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Maybe because it's short and easy to say? What do you think it should be called?

AMD is taking advantage of advertising their cpus as APUs to emphasize their strongest point. I dont see any problem with that. The problem I have is when the "APU" is touted, by AMD or AMD fans on these forums, for purposes for which it is not adequate, or can be much better served by a discrete card in the desktop.

However, technically, nearly all intel CPUs are now "APUs" because they also have on die graphics. And actually, intel had an APU on the market before Llano with the HD graphics. Did the original on die graphics from Intel suck? Sure, but in the definition of the term it was an APU, just one with very poor graphics.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Accelerated Processing Unit because unlike Intel AMD's IGP runs OpenCL.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Accelerated Processing Unit because unlike Intel AMD's IGP runs OpenCL.

So OpenCL is the only thing that determines it?

 

[Phynaz]

Accelerated Processing Unit because unlike Intel AMD's IGP runs OpenCL.

Intel doesn't run OpenCL on their IGP? Somebody had better tell that to them. http://software.intel.com/en-us/vcsource/tools/opencl-sdk

 

[Idontcare]

Accelerated Processing Unit because unlike Intel AMD's IGP runs OpenCL.

Nvidia's GPU's do too, does that mean they are also to be called APU's?

 

[Red Hawk]

It's pure marketing with the purpose of attempting to pretend that the CPU isn't the most important part of a CPU because AMD can't compete in CPUs.

It is akin to nvidia's silly claims that the cpu is dead (an attempt to play up their strengths and pretend their weaknesses don't matter).

By calling it something else, they try to shift the focus to an area that they have the ability to compete in. A rose by any other name though...

edit: It is sort of like all of those insurance commercials that only mention price. Sure, they may have a good price, but it's purely marketing that they *only* want to talk price in their ads (Gee, what about how good is the actual policy and service?)

That may be the motivation for making the name but that doesn't mean the name is invalid. If the argument is "names made up by marketing departments shouldn't be used", then GPU should never be used because it's a term Nvidia marketing made up a decade ago.

 

[Blitzvogel]

I'd prefer Augmented to accelerated when it comes to what an APU really is. While yes, graphics is a focus on APUs, the other goal was to augment the capabilities of x86 with not just graphics but with GPGPU processing. Yes, we are perhaps accelerating some processes via GPGPU as opposed to x86 processing but being augmented also could mean being presented abilities that a general CPU or GPU could never do realistically or at all without heavy software emulation.

Hence, Augmented Processing Unit. Now, I'm wondering how GCN will expand and improve on x86 + VLIW4 in Trinity along with the memory sharing and other improvements of Kaveri beyond just increases in stream processor counts.