AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Phynaz]

Trinity isn't a platform targeted towards this demographic. You'll need to look to piledriver to answer that question. Trinity is strictly for people shopping for a system in the space occupied by the i3. So far, tests shows it is better than the i3 in terms of price/performance.

What? Trinity IS Piledriver.

Or are you saying it's going to take AMD eight cores to beat an i3 in gaming?

 

[Hacp]

What? Trinity IS Piledriver.

Or are you saying it's going to take AMD eight cores to beat an i3 in gaming?

Double the cache and more OC headroom without the iGPU for the FX-4300.

 

[guskline]

What? Trinity IS Piledriver.

Or are you saying it's going to take AMD eight cores to beat an i3 in gaming?

I notice a pattern - Phynaz appears to have a GREAT dislike for AMD .

On a serious note Phynaz (just kidding BTW), the Trinity does use the PileDriver cpu less at least the L3 cache on a different socket -F2. I just read a review today on the benchmarking of the CPU side of Trinity now that it has been released. There appears to be some improvement over the Bulldozer architecture with the PileDriver core but nothing Earth shattering.

Let's just say that I'm not going to stay up till midnight on the 22nd of October and wait to click at Newegg for a PileDriver 8350 to replace my Bulldozer 8150 in rig 3 below. AND for the Intel fans (I'm one also see rigs 1 & 2) you can also stay nustled in your beds assured that AMD won't sneek up on you with a "midnight" surprise.

PileDriver / Improvement over 8150 SURE. Surprise? Highly doubtful.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Double the cache and more OC headroom without the iGPU for the FX-4300.

Hey, if you want to talk about the FX range, take it to PMs.

 

[Hacp]

Hey, if you want to talk about the FX range, take it to PMs.

Exactly what I've been tryng to say. Trinity is a platform intended not for the people who will buy a discrete cpu+gpu. That is headed towards the FX territory and the new piledrivers. If people want to talk about CPU+ a Discrete GPU that costs over 100 bucks, they can talk about it elsewhere.

 

[Rvenger]

Even if Trinity beat the i3 handily in every task, it would get downplayed as unfair due to it having 4 cores and higher power consumption. Thats why I just go elsewhere for an opinion and not these forums. We just can't have a civil discussion without someone coming in and throwing Intels name all over the place in an AMD thread.

 

[SPBHM]

looking at the CPU side of the reviews, I think I can keep my initial impression (and mostly, still my opinion about "APU" since llano's release),

if the IGP performance from the A10 is enough for you, go for it, it's a good choice,
I just still find a little bit hard to justify gaming with the IGP when even a 7750 is so superior

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-11/gpu-batman-arkham-city-crysis-2-diablo-3.html

so if you need anything over that, go with "pure" discrete graphics, forget about "dual graphics" and any of that.... and for $120 the i3 is probably a safer choice as gaming CPU (with discrete graphics)

that being said, trinity seems like a fun thing to play with,
and the version with the IGP disabled, looks quite appealing for $71!!
(for a low budget gaming PC with discrete graphics),
IF the FM2 motherboard prices is low enough (options as low as $50 with some OC potential), that would be easily my choice over the similarly priced Pentium, and considering the price, I would also take the $71 Athlon over a $120 i3.

overall quite good, performance was perhaps a little better than expected, and the price a little lower, which is great.

power usage is worse than the i3, but still far from a disaster, I can live with that for now, idle power usage is pretty good.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Even if Trinity beat the i3 handily in every task, it would get downplayed as unfair due to it having 4 cores and higher power consumption. Thats why I just go elsewhere for an opinion and not these forums. We just can't have a civil discussion without someone coming in and throwing Intels name all over the place in an AMD thread.

The i3 won 9/10 cases that concerned CPU performance. What are you even talking about?

And yes, it IS embarrassing that it loses despite having double the number of cores and being clocked almost 1GHz higher. It also uses 75% more power at full load, and people that want gaming will just buy discrete graphics. We're back at square zero.

 

[Riek]

What? Trinity IS Piledriver.

Or are you saying it's going to take AMD eight cores to beat an i3 in gaming?

As the hater in many topics you should know that there aren't many games using more than 4 threads intensively. so wether we talk about a 4, 6 or 16 core the differences won't be huge. (besides the module overhead)

Will Vishera beat i3 in gaming? on average no, but in some situations yes. But how will other programs go? well seeing in other applications i3 is pretty much tying with a 5800K.. Vishera will blow the i3 straight from its eyesockets. That said, vishera won't be the compitor for i3 and neither is i5 or discrete gaming for Trinity.

Trinity isn't targetted for the discrete gpu market
Trinity isn't targeted for >150$ cpu-gpu combinations.

Any comparison made to those markets are useless because we know trinity isn't focussed on those since it is simply not strong enough and therefore not priced to be a contender in those markets.

(ow and SB dual cores without HT are no use in gaming since they will bottleneck heavily in mp games, even more than the module approach)

About the power issues: thats the premium you pay to have an overclockable chip at these prices. If you would compare it with the 5700 things would look alot closer than they are now. Unfortunatly for AMD I think the market for ocers isn't that big in this price area... and they would have been better if they focussed on the 65W chips.

 

[Phynaz]

And the backpedaling begins...Too funny.

 

[AtenRa]

The i3 won 9/10 cases that concerned CPU performance. What are you even talking about?

Are you blind or what ??

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/4

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/5

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Are you blind or what ??

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/4

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/5

LOL, thanks for confirming what I said. Trinity only won in POV-Ray and x264 HD and everything else the Ivy Bridge i3 won.

 

[AtenRa]

LOL, thanks for confirming what I said. Trinity only won in POV-Ray and x264 HD and everything else the Ivy Bridge i3 won.

Adobe Photoshop CS4 = Core i3 3220
3dsmax 9 = Equals
POV-ray = A10-5800K
Par2 = A10-5800K
Excel Math = Core i3 3220
Sorenson Squeeze = Core i3 3220
x264 = A10-5800K
Cinebench 11.5 = A10-5800K

Out of 8 apps, Core i3 wins in Three(3), one is a draw and A10-5800K wins in the next four(4). Even if ill give you 3dsmax 9 then we have a tie.

It seams you are getting very desperate trying to conceal the truth that Trinity could be even better in CPU loads.

 

[Hacp]

Adobe Photoshop CS4 = Core i3 3220
3dsmax 9 = Equals
POV-ray = A10-5800K
Par2 = A10-5800K
Excel Math = Core i3 3220
Sorenson Squeeze = Core i3 3220
x264 = A10-5800K
Cinebench 11.5 = A10-5800K

Out of 8 apps, Core i3 wins in Three(3), one is a draw and A10-5800K wins in the next four(4). Even if ill give you 3dsmax 9 then we have a tie.

It seams you are getting very desperate trying to conceal the truth that Trinity could be even better in CPU loads.

I would say that Trinity is the better all around chip, while the i3 fills a niche for peopl who would prefer 1 core rather than 4.

 

[guskline]

Even if Trinity beat the i3 handily in every task, it would get downplayed as unfair due to it having 4 cores and higher power consumption. Thats why I just go elsewhere for an opinion and not these forums. We just can't have a civil discussion without someone coming in and throwing Intels name all over the place in an AMD thread.

Nice post Revenger! Like you I use BOTH Intel chips and AMD chips (although some would say i went off the "deep end" by buying a 8150!)

 

[The Alias]

this is hilarious !

more importantly

 

[Phynaz]

Yeah, that is hilarious. The Intel quad core is almost twice as fast as the AMD quad core in some cases.

 

[Hacp]

Nice post Revenger! Like you I use BOTH Intel chips and AMD chips (although some would say i went off the "deep end" by buying a 8150!)

Depeneds on the price. I defeneded Intel in the Pentium D days and I defend AMD during these days. I'm all for price/performance.

 

[The Alias]

Yeah, that is hilarious. The Intel quad core is almost twice as fast as the AMD quad core in some cases.

well of course the i7 has THRICE the threads of the other two THRICE . THE . THREADS

also I posted that so you'd see the i3 get beaten in a multitude of GAMING benchmarks

 

[NTMBK]

Yeah, that is hilarious. The Intel quad core is almost twice as fast as the AMD quad core in some cases.

The i7-970 is a 6 core/12 thread processor.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

well of course the i7 has TWICE the threads of the other two TWICE . THE . THREADS

also I posted that so you'd see the i3 get beaten in a multitude of GAMING benchmarks

The Core i3 is much faster overall in gaming. But we can all nitpick games which suit our position, can't we?

And the i7-970 is slower than a 2500K/2600K/3570K/3770K in gaming.

 

[AtenRa]

this is hilarious !
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But, but, but, but this is not in 1024x768

 

[Phynaz]

The i7-970 is a 6 core/12 thread processor.

Derp!

 

[Phynaz]

Depeneds on the price. I defeneded Intel in the Pentium D days and I defend AMD during these days.

Why on earth would you defend a company that isn't directly tied to your income?

AMD loses in price / performance anyway. Unless you are measuring performance of the supplemental heating capabilities of the CPU.

 

[The Alias]

The Core i3 is much faster overall in gaming. But we can all nitpick games which suit our position, can't we?

And the i7-970 is slower than a 2500K/2600K/3570K/3770K in gaming.

that was all the benchmarks they posted -_-

the 2500K/2600K/3570K/3770K don't even matter as they cost at least 80 dollars more !