AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[anikhtos]

this is funny, so someone runs some games on the limit of their GPU and now "i5 and A10" are equal for gaming... prepare for a "shock" when they are both tested in more CPU intensive games/settings/scenario.


also please stop comparing IGPs when IGPs are irrelevant (for anyone who wants higher performance than a 6570 DDR3)

well if you look closer at low settings the i5 was ahead in ultra details they matched meaning it was gpu limited at that moment. Well i can take a pentium 4 put a low graphic card and say they score the same at games with an i7!??!!

 

[SPBHM]

How about you give us a link showing a pentium and HD6670 DDR5 costing the same as the A10-5800K? Another one of your exaggerations, same as the "average IB OC is 4.6 GHz"?

The HD6670 has gone as low as $45 AR, but those have always been DDR3 versions. The DDR5 versions are barely cheaper than the HD6770.

normally the 6670 DDR5 is not a great option,
the 7770 can be easily bought for $100, and it's not really comparable, it's in a different league, if you are gaming... that's the way to go, try and get the best possible VGA, cheap ram and MB, as for the CPU... the $6x pentium is good in most games.... if your money is limited,

 

[anikhtos]

Look at Toms Hardware Benchmarks from July 14th on piledriver. It shows 12-15% improvements. I'm basing my numbers on a verified source who actually tested the hardware. You're basing your number on speculation.

I'm using numbers for the benchmark that you posted. In it, the Intel G860 Pentium had an average fps of 162.2% better than an A4 CPU. The Fx4100(3.6ghz, 3.8 turbo, 4 cores) was 149.0% better than a A4 CPU. Now, the top end A10 has a frequency of 3.8, 4.2 turbo, 4 cores. We'll just say that frequency increases the performance by 5%. It should be more, but we'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

Now multiply in a 12% overall performance increase and you get 149.0*1.05*1.12= 175.224% for the A10, which is higher than the Pentium G860. Again, I'm using numbers you posted and educated guesses based on tests done on the actual product.



I've overclocked low end chips with Matx mobos that cost me 50 bucks before. It works, I just took the computer out of commission after 6 years of service. On the stock Heatsink fan as well. You are grossly exaggerating.

so know you compare the lowest part of intel with the highest in their class amd?!?!?!? to proove that it may be 10% faster???
and bye the way a10 will cost double the money witch can be used for a descrete gpu. the numbers do not add for amd unfortunetly.

in one market amd owned intel the atom-bobcat market amd did not renew its product line !!!!!! i was so looking for a new bobcat

every product with the right price has or not place in the market.
amd is so behind in performance that even looses the price performance which used to own :-(

after how many debates amd lost the price performance ????
it is sad amd must regroup.

a10 campaign is all around its igpu performance
amd must wake up its igpu performance may be better than intel but still sucks.
maybe with 2-3 more gpu performance things will look better for an apu
but still it is so weak.

 

[Phynaz]

So I guess TR won't be doing a Haswell preview either then eh?
Rules are rules!

Awesome way to miss the point.

 

[Hacp]

so know you compare the lowest part of intel with the highest in their class amd?!?!?!? to proove that it may be 10% faster???
and bye the way a10 will cost double the money witch can be used for a descrete gpu. the numbers do not add for amd unfortunetly.

No, I'm not the one comparing. Intel fanboys are comparing.

every product with the right price has or not place in the market.
amd is so behind in performance that even looses the price performance which used to own :-(

AMD price/Performance is superior at this price range.

after how many debates amd lost the price performance ????

AMD price/performance at that price point is pretty good for the A10, especially since the socket is overclockable and has at least one more generation ahead of it.

 

[The Alias]

Compared to Bulldozer? No, they will not. Piledriver is only an architectural update for Bulldozer. IPC increases will be in the lower-than-10% region.

And it won't match it in single-threaded because Intel has a 50-60% lead in IPC. A Pentium G850 is clocked at 2.9GHz and an A10-5800K at 3.8-4.2GHz. That's 31-42% higher, and since obviously frequency scaling is not 100%, Intel will keep a healthy lead in single-threaded performance.

you're first statement is wrong

As with most debates, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Many (if not most) of the benchmarks in our suite measure the alacrity of x86 computing resources in a very real-world way. Others focus more intently on graphics performance. And we’re increasingly adding tests able to leverage what AMD calls heterogeneous computing—improving performance by drawing from multiple subsystems concurrently.

The point is that x86 cores are still first-class citizens in the APU world, and there is such a thing as performance that’s not good enough. That’s part of the reason why so many of us want to know how the Piledriver architecture improves upon Bulldozer. So let’s get that out of the way first.

We took the A10-5800K, set it to 3.8 GHz, turned off Turbo Core and any power-saving feature that’d spin the chip down. Then, we took FX-8150, overclocked it to 3.8 GHz, and disabled all of the same features. By running a single-threaded workload like iTunes, we could neutralize the difference in core count (though, if anything, FX could have benefited from its 8 MB L3). Nevertheless, Piledriver clearly completes our workload much faster, yielding a 15% improvement, per clock cycle, over Bulldozer.

Turning off two of FX-8150's Bulldozer modules gives us the opportunity to run a threaded workload like 3ds Max without slanting the result toward Bulldozer. And once again, the Piledriver-based APU wins by roughly 15%.

you're second statement is true, but the unlocked multiplier will allow some of the ground to be made up

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

How about you give us a link showing a pentium and HD6670 DDR5 costing the same as the A10-5800K? Another one of your exaggerations, same as the "average IB OC is 4.6 GHz"?

The HD6670 has gone as low as $45 AR, but those have always been DDR3 versions. The DDR5 versions are barely cheaper than the HD6770.

Intel Pentium G850: $69 or Pentium G630: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670 DDR5: $85
Total: $140-149
RAM is $5-10 more expensive for Llano/Trinity.

If you don't mind rebates, you can get an HD 7750 for $85 as well. That would be about twice as fast as the Trinity IGP.




Nice try.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

No, I'm not the one comparing. Intel fanboys are comparing.


AMD price/Performance is superior at this price range.

AMD price/performance at that price point is pretty good for the A10, especially since the socket is overclockable and has at least one more generation ahead of it.

It is not. Again, you get a mediocre CPU and a mediocre IGP. That's why it's so cheap.

 

[alexruiz]

normally the 6670 DDR5 is not a great option,
the 7770 can be easily bought for $100, and it's not really comparable, it's in a different league, if you are gaming... that's the way to go, try and get the best possible VGA, cheap ram and MB, as for the CPU... the $6x pentium is good in most games.... if your money is limited,

That was my point, a HD6670 DDR5 is too close in price to higher performing GPUs
The HD7770 has been as low as $95AR, but right now they are around $110AR, thanks to the stinker of the GTX650Ti, so not "easily bought for $100".

If you are counting pennies and have a microcenter close by, a FX4100 + mobo combo for $90 is unbeatable. Add that HD7770 as It will be able to actually play BF3 MP, unlike the pentium.

Back into topic, trinity will be perfect for general usage all around usage and limited gaming. The money you saved by going AMD goes toward a SSD, and then you have a machine that will feel like a cray to the average user.

 

[mooncancook]

I am still on my aging C2D e8400 for my gaming htpc and looking to upgrade soon. Can't wait to see the cpu performance benchmark of these new chips. Since it's my gaming htpc I'll always have a discrete video card. What I want to know is will I be able to toggle between the integrated GPU and the discrete GPU like it does on some laptops?

 

[Hacp]

Intel Pentium G850: $69 or Pentium G630: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670 DDR5: $85
Total: $140-149
RAM is $5-10 more expensive for Llano/Trinity.

If you don't mind rebates, you can get an HD 7750 for $85 as well. That would be about twice as fast as the Trinity IGP.




Nice try.

And I'm sure you won't be able to buy the A10 for sale after 3 months.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

That was my point, a HD6670 DDR5 is too close in price to higher performing GPUs
The HD7770 has been as low as $95AR, but right now they are around $110AR, thanks to the stinker of the GTX650Ti, so not "easily bought for $100".

If you are counting pennies and have a microcenter close by, a FX4100 + mobo combo for $90 is unbeatable. Add that HD7770 as It will be able to actually play BF3 MP, unlike the pentium.

Back into topic, trinity will be perfect for general usage all around usage and limited gaming. The money you saved by going AMD goes toward a SSD, and then you have a machine that will feel like a cray to the average user.

Right, except few people here have access to a MicroCenter.

And the FX-4100 would be slower in BF3 MP due to the low single-threaded performance and the module design loss.

 

[Hacp]

It is not. Again, you get a mediocre CPU and a mediocre IGP. That's why it's so cheap.

Mediocre cpu and GPU at cheap prices means better price/performance. At this price range, the A10 is the way to go. You get a decent CPU+GPU combo that can be overclocked(unlike pentium and celeron SB),and a socket that will have at least one more update in line.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

And I'm sure you won't be able to buy the A10 for sale after 3 months.

Yes, because sales are only had on AMD CPUs.

Well, I guess I could concede they are on sale more often because not many people want their stuff. I wonder why that is...

 

[SPBHM]

That was my point, a HD6670 DDR5 is too close in price to higher performing GPUs
The HD7770 has been as low as $95AR, but right now they are around $110AR, thanks to the stinker of the GTX650Ti, so not "easily bought for $100".

If you are counting pennies and have a microcenter close by, a FX4100 + mobo combo for $90 is unbeatable. Add that HD7770 as It will be able to actually play BF3 MP, unlike the pentium.

Back into topic, trinity will be perfect for general usage all around usage and limited gaming. The money you saved by going AMD goes toward a SSD, and then you have a machine that will feel like a cray to the average user.

I've checked a few days ago and there was 2 7770 for $100 on newegg
now if you want to save some money there is a 7750 for 95 (85 with rebate), still, it's clear that there are far better options than the 6670 ddr5

and I agree, you don't need to go just for a Pentium, I think the PII X4 can be found for some nice prices in some places...

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Mediocre cpu and GPU at cheap prices means better price/performance. At this price range, the A10 is the way to go. You get a decent CPU+GPU combo that can be overclocked(unlike pentium and celeron SB),and a socket that will have at least one more update in line.

If you still don't get the memo, you need a decent cooler for overclocking. Stock heatsink solution will not cut it unless you want a hurricane in your room. So that argument is null.

Two, you can get an HD 7750 and a Pentium for a similar price. That will horribly maul, smash, the A10 in gaming performance.

 

[alexruiz]

Intel Pentium G850: $69 or Pentium G630: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670 DDR5: $85
Total: $140-149
RAM is $5-10 more expensive for Llano/Trinity.



Nice try.

$70 ($69.99) + $85 ($84.99) equals $155 ($154.98)
I knew you were intellectually challenged, but you keep raising the bar
$155 does not equal the $140 you mentioned, and it surely doesn't equal the rumored price of the A10-5800K. We are talking ~20% more money for a setup that will tank in BF3 MP, HD6670 DDR5 or not.

How about those average 4.6GHz OCs?

 

[Hacp]

Yes, because sales are only had on AMD CPUs.

Well, I guess I could concede they are on sale more often because not many people want their stuff. I wonder why that is...

In the amazon link, it had the pentium listed as.

Price: $69.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details You Save: $33.11 (32%)


You posted a CPU that was 32% on sale, and you don't expect the A10 to be on sale either after the supply constraints are gone?

 

[Olikan]

Intel Pentium G850: $69 or Pentium G630: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670 DDR5: $85
Total: $140-149
RAM is $5-10 more expensive for Llano/Trinity.

If you don't mind rebates, you can get an HD 7750 for $85 as well. That would be about twice as fast as the Trinity IGP.

LOL...
the 6670 cost 129 without sale
the G850 cost 103 without sale
= 232

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

In the amazon link, it had the pentium listed as.

Price: $69.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details You Save: $33.11 (32%)


You posted a CPU that was 32% on sale, and you don't expect the A10 to be on sale either after the supply constraints are gone?

It's been at that price for more than a month.

 

[Hacp]

If you still don't get the memo, you need a decent cooler for overclocking. Stock heatsink solution will not cut it unless you want a hurricane in your room. So that argument is null.

Two, you can get an HD 7750 and a Pentium for a similar price. That will horribly maul, smash, the A10 in gaming performance.

I have OC'd with stock AMD heatsink fans. They cut it. You have time and time again tried to provide misinformation. Please give real numbers the next time you make a claim, the last time you tried to provide numbers, it wasn't backed up with any credible sources.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I have OC'd with stock AMD heatsink fans. They cut it. You have time and time again tried to provide misinformation. Please give real numbers the next time you make a claim, the last time you tried to provide numbers, it wasn't backed up with any credible sources.

They cut it, again, if you don't mind having a fan with loud bearings screaming at you.

 

[alexruiz]

And the FX-4100 would be slower in BF3 MP due to the low single-threaded performance and the module design loss...

This has to be quoted
FX4100 slower than A10-5800K in BF3 MP? Yes, it is.
FX4100 slower than a pentium in BF3? Even by your standards that is quite a stretch. BF3 MP loves CPU cores, and YOU know it.

 

[kalrith]

Would have been nice to see the i3-3225 with the HD4000 igpu tossed in the mix instead of the i7. I think it would be the more likely alternative price wise.

I agree. The 3225 is a much closer competitor. If a $130 chip is slower than a $250 chip, then it's easy to say that it doesn't matter because it's cheaper. So, I'd be interested to see it compared to the $145 3225. I think either would be a good choice for an HTPC with light gaming.

 

[Mallibu]

I have OC'd with stock AMD heatsink fans. They cut it. You have time and time again tried to provide misinformation. Please give real numbers the next time you make a claim, the last time you tried to provide numbers, it wasn't backed up with any credible sources.

Sorry, they don't cut it. My Phenom II 965 stock cooler hit ~60-65 C when the limit for them is 63 C when he was O/Ced at a mediocre 3.8 Ghz. That damn fan sounded like a freaking airplane even on stock speeds, also. I was not a huge spender when it comes to cpu cooling but went on spent 40$ on a better cooler just to stop hearing that damn fan when i was working / playing. It literaly sounded like a hair dryer pistol next to my ear.