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AMD 7000 Initial IQ Issues *Now fixed* [Tom's Hardware Review]

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This was the first I had heard of this, but the image quality screenshots do speak for themselves. I don't want to start a flame-war here (I like both AMD and NV offerings) but issues like this should make AMD accountable, if true. If you look at the results, there are some big gains in fps between some the games such as Metro and Skyrim specifically when you look at the performance levels.

I definitely do not like the default details turned down to get a few fps. NV did this in the past, and they paid for similar behavior.

Thoughts?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
 
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Based on our original findings, it wasn’t a stretch to question if AMD had decided to try an old trick with the 7000 series, giving up hard-to-notice texture detail for a couple of frames per second in some games. We’re glad that AMD responded, clarified the situation, and provided proof in a fixed pre-release driver, plus a commitment to include that resolution in the upcoming Catalyst 12.4 WHQL driver. The driver it sent us for testing suggests that the issue can be solved without sacrificing performance.
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I think it's a non-issue since the fixed driver doesn't negatively affect the current scores and performance so AMD didn't gain anything by these texture bugs/settings.
 
Doesn't appear to be malicious as they were given a patched driver that fixed the problem at barely any performance penalty.
 
Once again Toms decides to post image quality shots in animated gif form. Way to go.

Will read the article anyway, but sheesh.
 
It is a worry these bugs and others are still getting through the quality process, but it doesn't appear to produce any advantage in performance so it does not look like cheating.
 
it's a drivers bug, very common in new arquitectures

happen the same with 6000 series and nvidia in the past

will be fixed in 12.4 driver without performance lost
 
djsb said:
Once again Toms decides to post image quality shots in animated gif form. Way to go.

Will read the article anyway, but sheesh.
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Its horrid. It would be slightly less bad if it was just an image of the 7970 verses 6970 etc graphics card to show the difference in one image, but they are cycling through a number of different images.
 
I really do not like the animated gif way of showing that.

But... this is an instance where you have to give it to Tom's. Good on them that they found this issue, then worked with AMD to get it resolved. Whether you praise or chide AMD for this is up for debate, the journalism, however is unarguably commendable.
 
Concillian said:
I really do not like the animated gif way of showing that.

But... this is an instance where you have to give it to Tom's. Good on them that they found this issue, then worked with AMD to get it resolved. Whether you praise or chide AMD for this is up for debate, the journalism, however is unarguably commendable.
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Their article title is trolling for site hits =/
 
videogames101 said:
Their article title is trolling for site hits =/
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Depends. There is the assertion that any time an article poses a question, the answer is *always* no. In that way, if you follow that mindset, no 😉

Honestly though, they had an AMD response prior to publishing it and have the proof that that isn't the case, so they shouldn't have published with that title really.
 
Ferzerp said:
Depends. There is the assertion that any time an article poses a question, the answer is *always* no. In that way, if you follow that mindset, no 😉

Honestly though, they had an AMD response prior to publishing it and have the proof that that isn't the case, so they shouldn't have published with that title really.
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That's a great statement. The title was more sensationalist than it should have been, based on the results.

Thankfully performance was mostly untouched.
 
Nice sensationalist title from Tom's for a problem that's already fixed. They've really lost a lot of credibility in recent months.
 
LOL_Wut_Axel said:
Nice sensationalist title from Tom's for a problem that's already fixed. They've really lost a lot of credibility in recent months.
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Whats funny is that the author of that article posts on various forums taunting AMD cpu owners and trolling. Not that I disagree about bulldozer (it is garbage), but the author has a pretty extensive history of trolling / being unprofessional towards AMD stuff. At least you can count on some reviewers being, you know, objective regardless of what they think on other websites.
 
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blackened23 said:
Whats funny is that the author of that article posts on various forums taunting AMD cpu owners and trolling. Not that I disagree about bulldozer (it is garbage), but the author has a pretty extensive history of trolling / being unprofessional towards AMD stuff. At least you can count on some reviewers being, you know, objective regardless of what they think on other websites.
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Some people have too many problems overcoming their personal bias. These type of people shouldn't be hired to be editors.

Alas, that seems to be too much to ask for now-a-days.
 
I love the article, hate the GIFs. I want side by side!

Also, another vote for Tom's being equal to Anandtech period 🙂
 
ExarKun333 said:
This was the first I had heard of this, but the image quality screenshots do speak for themselves. I don't want to start a flame-war here (I like both AMD and NV offerings) but issues like this should make AMD accountable, if true. If you look at the results, there are some big gains in fps between some the games such as Metro and Skyrim specifically when you look at the performance levels.

I definitely do not like the default details turned down to get a few fps. NV did this in the past, and they paid for similar behavior.

Thoughts?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
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Eh?...I thought that was AMD in the 5xxx series, that lowered IQ for FPS....
 
It was AMD with the 68XX Bart's launch. Where they introduced a 6850/6870 that was slower than the 5850/5870 while using those questionable drivers. Though those releases were priced much more competitively to counter the GTX 460 at the time.

Benchmark Reviews can confirm that issues with filtering still exist, and pointed this out in our Radeon HD 6850 and Radeon HD 6870 launch articles. We also made it public that certain AMD partners were sending 'juiced' video card samples to reviews sites, ours included, with details published in our 1120-Core "Fixed" Radeon HD 6850 Review Samples Shipped to Media article. So could this be AMDs last ditch effort to compete with NVIDIA by manipulating performance?
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SolMiester said:
Eh?...I thought that was AMD in the 5xxx series, that lowered IQ for FPS....
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Any example of lowering IQ to get extra fps is downright wrong. Unless the company comes right out up-front and explains their actions and provides a tangible reason (can't think of any myself) it's downright sneaky.

This example that THG found is interesting because it is hard to tell if it was truly a QA issue, or something planned. Definitely not at a 'conspiracy' level or anything, but it's difficult to know if it was an honest mistake or not. Either way, AMD should get a little credit for acknowledging the issue and fixing it with the a driver release quickly. I doubt anyone will know the real reason, but its good to see it resolved IMHO.
 
videogames101 said:
Their article title is trolling for site hits =/
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It's just a question - the very question that the article investigates.

Better yet, it's a rather good thing that Toms investigated it, else HD 7xxx owners would probably be suffering these IQ issues for some more time (even indefinitely).
 
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