Question AMD 5700G vs Intel 11600k (8-core vs 6-core)

[13Gigatons]

Non-gaming machine.

6-cores, better motherboard, lower price.
or
8-cores, mediocre motherboard, slightly higher price.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Running an $800 cpu on a $125 board. You hear these ridiculous suggestions on forums but no sane person in the real world does this unless they don't mind losing some performance, which begs the question: why go for a monster cpu and seriously cheap out on the board in the first place?

Are you day drinking? We were discussing "hedging against obsolescence" quote unquote, remember? What even is this drivel? No one suggested a 5950x now, but that it or the next line up not even out, would be a drop in years down the road, smokes anything z590 offers.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The drivel was about PCIE-3 limitation on 5700g.

Keep moving that goal post.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I will say this, that Polaris GPUs "don't" decode Vp1 in hardware either, but they DO work, because AMD implemented a Hybrid decoder, that uses the CPU, and the shader processors. By now, I would assume that AMD implemented the same scheme for Vega-based APUs. (Edit: Talking about AV1 decode, here.)

The fact that some knuckle-heads are saying this is a bad thing, somehow, and that video-decode support isn't "truely supported" unless it's contained in a full hardware pipeline (even though Intel has implemented hybrid decoding in the past as well), is truly mind-boggling.

 

[CuriousMike]

Rocket Lake iGPU can decode av1, which the 5700G can't. So if streaming >=4K videos on YT is a consideration, then 11600K it is. Besides that you'll have better IO options with the 11600K - PCIe 4.0 NVMe, and full x16 support for discrete GPU if you want to add one in the future.

I didn't know about this av1 decode issue on the 5700G.

I went to Youtube, found a playlist, found the settings to "always use av1" and ran a 4k balloons video.
I'm running whatever latest version of FireFox is on my machine.

Task manager, on Windows 11, hovered between 8-10% CPU.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqf6gJt7KuHBmeVzZteZUlNUQAVLwrZS

The IO options could be a deciding factor.... but from my tests, video decode is not.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Vega and Turing can't decode av1. Show me your stats for nerds then.

If the iGPU was being utilized properly, it would be like what you got with the 2060.

Are you high or something? I know the Vega is not decoding the vid, I never said it did, just look at the CPU usage between 5700g and 5600g and it is obvious. Point is, it DOES NOT MATTER, what is decoding it, it is doing the job.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well, the iGPU is NOT doing its job - so Rocket Lake is better when it comes to video playback, which is what the OP should factor in if he's looking to the 5700G and the 11600K from an iGPU perspective.

LOL you are hopeless. They are both APUs, what difference does it make which part of the chip does the decode? That is a rhetorical question, because again, you are beyond help.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

If the video decoder can't decode properly and has to rely on the CPU, I consider it a fail. It makes a world of difference.

The 5700G has those extra 4 threads to give, over the 11600K. But please, do go on. Explain how the bold is not pure hyperbole. How that 12 thread chip is a better choice because it uses the UHD to decode AV1, that the 16 thread chip also does with ease.

I don't give a crap what CPU OP buys, but I don't like FUD. I have hands on user experience with the 5 series APUs, so I provide that info. And no amount of soft shoeing or goal post moving will change the fact that either Ryzen APU can easily handle the task.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You need to double check if it's actually using AV1. That video is showing as still using VP9 for me at 2160p60 (4k60) playback. It's only showing as AV1 for 2880p60 (5k60).

That's why the other poster is saying to check with "stats for nerds."

I thought the dropped frames info was indicative to readers, that I was using stats for nerds. I will be explicit: I used stats for nerds. It displays AV01.0.13M.08 as the codec. I specified prefer AV1 for all content in the settings, did you remember to do that as well?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Why do you keep pushing the 11600k ? You even admit its slower and runs hotter and takes more power while having 2 less cores. Its a nobrainer, 5700g

It's a weird hill to die on.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Whenever I try to maximize the videos on Steam game pages, they freeze for several seconds before playing normally. I used to think that this issue was Steam related but all the systems I've used for gaming had nVidia GPUs. Hmmm...since Steam uses webkit (same as Chrome), I think Tup3x just identified the cause for the issue that has long bugged me.

 

[UsandThem]

Their performance is practically the same, so go with the cheaper option or flip a coin to decide.

Since you don't list the motherboard models, I assume the "better" motherboard probably has better onboard audio and "nice to have" things like M.2 heatsinks.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11600k/24.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

 

[Markfw]

With the higher heat of the 11600k, I would go with the 5700g.

 

[blckgrffn]

Why not 5600G, nice motherboard, no compromise in “general usage”?

Put that extra savings towards more ram or a higher tier nvme drive. Those are both things that matter.

Or moar ARGB bling!!!!!



Are you pricing in a nice cooler for the the RKL cpu? It doesn’t come with one. Imo the provided one for AMD is “good enough” for using if budget matters, nicer ones are for noise avoidance.

11600k is the only choice if you want PCIe 4 storage so long as you get a board that supports it.

 

[CuriousMike]

I hear you on the "no gaming."

But the extra oomph of the 5700G's GPU will give you more legs, GPU wise for the future.

 

[Harry_Wild]

11600k has substandard igp! More heat. I go with the 5700G if you going use the igp and have no discrete graphic card.

 

[tamz_msc]

Rocket Lake iGPU can decode av1, which the 5700G can't. So if streaming >=4K videos on YT is a consideration, then 11600K it is. Besides that you'll have better IO options with the 11600K - PCIe 4.0 NVMe, and full x16 support for discrete GPU if you want to add one in the future.

 

[13Gigatons]

Motherboards:
Intel: PCIe 4.0x , 3 x M.2, 2.5Gb LAN, Thunderbolt 4, USB 20Gb/s
AMD: PCIe 3.0x, 2 x M.2, 1Gb LAN, USB 10Gb/s

I like the 65w TDP of the AMD and it has 8-cores which could give it longer value but then the motherboard kinda drags it down plus the 5700G is limited to PCIe 3.0x (another drag).

Sigh...no clear winner...

 

[DrMrLordX]

On a budget system, who is going to be using PCIe 4.0x devices?

 

[tamz_msc]

I didn't know about this av1 decode issue on the 5700G.

I went to Youtube, found a playlist, found the settings to "always use av1" and ran a 4k balloons video.
I'm running whatever latest version of FireFox is on my machine.

Task manager, on Windows 11, hovered between 8-10% CPU.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqf6gJt7KuHBmeVzZteZUlNUQAVLwrZS

The IO options could be a deciding factor.... but from my tests, video decode is not.

Did you actually play a 4K av1 video? What did stats for nerds say?

 

[mikeymikec]

I didn't know about this av1 decode issue on the 5700G.

I went to Youtube, found a playlist, found the settings to "always use av1" and ran a 4k balloons video.
I'm running whatever latest version of FireFox is on my machine.

Task manager, on Windows 11, hovered between 8-10% CPU.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqf6gJt7KuHBmeVzZteZUlNUQAVLwrZS

The IO options could be a deciding factor.... but from my tests, video decode is not.

Btw, you'd want to see the GPU doing the heavy lifting in Task Manager, not the CPU. An integrated GPU with a recent Windows driver ought to show up with its own GPU entry in Task Manager. If the GPU's video decode graph has a consistent elevated workload while the video is playing, then it's doing its job.

 

[Zucker2k]

On a budget system, who is going to be using PCIe 4.0x devices?

This question is so wrong. How's having more performance on a budget board a bad thing? I guess taking features away from budget boards is a good thing? If I were in the market for a budget build, I'll go for the feature-rich board. It's a hedge against obsolescence down the road, as well as giving you the ability to be up to date now.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I just finished testing AV1 4K60 on the following -

5700G Vega 8
5700G 2060 Super
5600G Vega 7

5700G - avg. low to mid 20s percent usage Vega 8 low to mid 20s - Dropped a frame here and there
5700G avg. 1-3 percent 2060 Super 60-70 percent - Zero dropped frames
5600G avg. low to mid 30s Vega 7 pretty much stayed at 15 percent usage - Dropped 2 frames at a time here and there.

 

[tamz_msc]

I just finished testing AV1 4K60 on the following -

5700G Vega 8
5700G 2060 Super
5600G Vega 7

5700G - avg. low to mid 20s percent usage Vega 8 low to mid 20s - Dropped a frame here and there
5700G avg. 1-3 percent 2060 Super 60-70 percent - Zero dropped frames
5600G avg. low to mid 30s Vega 7 pretty much stayed at 15 percent usage - Dropped 2 frames at a time here and there.

Are you using Firefox? That's the reason your CPU utilization is high even with iGPU being partially utilized. Turing and Vega doesn't have av1 decoding, so you're most likely being served vp9 videos. That's why I asked, what does stats for nerds say?

 

[13Gigatons]

On a budget system, who is going to be using PCIe 4.0x devices?

Mostly for M.2 drives....they seem to get faster by the day.