AMD 12-core opteron available on ebay!

[tweakboy]

Someone is going to buy this and be a happy camper. Just check his positives before you buy. tk,

 

[zsdersw]

That is such a crock, but since you brought it up. During that period, intel was STILL dictating the pricing structure even with the vastly outperformed netburst architecture with higher prices and less performance. And intel STILL sold more thanks to.... you know what. It wouldn't have made one iota of a difference regardless of AMD's pricing, they wouldn't have sold any more at all and would have made even less revenue, while intel loaded up the coffers with a much inferior product.

Yeah, no, AMD priced their better-performing chips higher than Intel's. That's just a fact. The Pentium D was cheaper than the AMD equivalent. The Athlon 64 X2 4800+ S939 was priced at $1000 back in the day when it was at the top of the performance heap.

 

[dguy6789]

Yeah, no, AMD priced their better-performing chips higher than Intel's. That's just a fact. The Pentium D was cheaper than the AMD equivalent. The Athlon 64 X2 4800+ S939 was priced at $1000 back in the day when it was at the top of the performance heap.

Only the cheapest Pentium D was priced lower than the cheapest Athlon 64 X2. That cheapest Pentium D was also not even in the same league performance wise. But the cheapest couple Athlon 64 X2s were faster than the $1000 Pentium D. AMD completely dominated Intel for three years in price and performance in all segments. Due to anti-competitive practices, that domination didn't mean much.

 

[Rubycon]

I still have an Athlon FX60 humming along at 3.0GHz with a Tuniq Tower 120. It plays solitaire as good as my Dual Xeon W5580s. I feel ripped off.

 

[zsdersw]

Only the cheapest Pentium D was priced lower than the cheapest Athlon 64 X2. That cheapest Pentium D was also not even in the same league performance wise. But the cheapest couple Athlon 64 X2s were faster than the $1000 Pentium D.

AMD wouldn't have priced their top-of-the-line chip at $1000 if they didn't think anyone would buy it at that price.. but they did, and some people did.

Due to anti-competitive practices, that domination didn't mean much.

There were no stockpiles of unsold AMD chips. AMD's marketshare at that time was also a function of capacity, not just of Intel's alleged practices.

 

[Martimus]

AMD wouldn't have priced their top-of-the-line chip at $1000 if they didn't think anyone would buy it at that price.. but they did, and some people did.



There were no stockpiles of unsold AMD chips. AMD's marketshare at that time was also a function of capacity, not just of Intel's alleged practices.

Ahh, but Capacity was also a function of those practices, as there is no reason to expand capacity when you can not be assured of selling the additional processors.

 

[zsdersw]

Ahh, but Capacity was also a function of those practices, as there is no reason to expand capacity when you can not be assured of selling the additional processors.

Sure there is. When you're selling every chip you can make as soon as you make it, there's a good chance you'd be able to sell more if you added capacity to make more.

 

[soccerballtux]

Ahh, but Capacity was also a function of those practices, as there is no reason to expand capacity when you can not be assured of selling the additional processors.

Sure there is. When you're selling every chip you can make as soon as you make it, there's a good chance you'd be able to sell more if you added capacity to make more.

that's a HUGE gamble with capital intensive investment. Fab'ing chips is VERY capital intensive.

 

[piesquared]

They had no major OEM wins due to being locked out of the biggest market there is. The market they were selling processors to were DIY'ers, who largely do their research and come to informed decisions. That is but a tiny fraction of the market, and was saturated. More chips without major OEM support would just be chips for the landfill.

 

[zsdersw]

that's a HUGE gamble with capital intensive investment. Fab'ing chips is VERY capital intensive.

Of course it is, but there's always a huge gamble. The whole damn business is a huge gamble.

 

[zsdersw]

They had no major OEM wins due to being locked out of the biggest market there is. The market they were selling processors to were DIY'ers, who largely do their research and come to informed decisions. That is but a tiny fraction of the market, and was saturated. More chips without major OEM support would just be chips for the landfill.

So, DIY'ers make up ~16-20% of the market? Because that's what AMD's marketshare was pre-Conroe.

 

[piesquared]

Obviously not all that marketshare was DIY'ers, that was an exageration. But what marketshare they do represent, AMD had it. The rest was made up of some 2nd and 3rd tier OEM players that intel couldn't be bothered bribing.

 

[soccerballtux]

Of course it is, but there's always a huge gamble. The whole damn business is a huge gamble.

missing my point, look at the numbers.

 

[zsdersw]

missing my point, look at the numbers.

Irrelevant. AMD would've spun off fabrication anyway.

 

[Martimus]

Don't argue with an idiot. First they will bring you down to their level, then they will beat you with experience.

I am very interested to see what these 12-core processors will do. I definitely will not get one, but it will still be interesting seeing how they perform. I am more interested to see what changes they made in the chip to get IPC improvements, since those will likely be transfered to Llano chips as well.

 

[zsdersw]

Obviously not all that marketshare was DIY'ers, that was an exageration. But what marketshare they do represent, AMD had it. The rest was made up of some 2nd and 3rd tier OEM players that intel couldn't be bothered bribing.

So, Dell was supposed to switch to AMD chips at a time when AMD wouldn't have had enough to keep Dell supplied?

 

[zsdersw]

Don't argue with an idiot. First they will bring you down to their level, then they will beat you with experience.

To whom are you referring?

 

[aigomorla]

Don't argue with an idiot. First they will bring you down to their level, then they will beat you with experience.

are you talking about me?

To whom are you referring?

Maybe you guys who derailed it by going into pre 2005 circa?

 

[Martimus]

are you talking about me?

It is general advice. Mostly it was a plea to stop sniping about insignificant things and get back on topic.

I have no idea what your intellegence level is, and I can make no assertions on whether you are a genious or an imbecile. I am sure you are smart enough, as you have a lot of success in what you try to do.

Maybe you guys who derailed it by going into pre 2005 circa?

As I stated in my last post, I would like to know what changes were made to improve IPC on this architecture, since it is likely to also be included in Llano, and might give us some early indication of the IPC expectations for that platform.

 

[piesquared]

So, Dell was supposed to switch to AMD chips at a time when AMD wouldn't have had enough to keep Dell supplied?

Last point so this thread doesn't get derailed any further. You can have the last word.

No point in building capacity if noone would use it, and why the need to pay Dell $5 Billion over the years to run intel exclusively in their PC's if intel never feared competition?

 

[zsdersw]

No point in building capacity if noone would use it,

No one would use it? Hardly.

and why the need to pay Dell $5 Billion over the years to run intel exclusively in their PC's if intel never feared competition?

Now you're getting into the weeds...

 

[aigomorla]

Now you're getting into the weeds...

will only be legal in California after November 2010 elections.

 

[Rubycon]

will only be legal in California after November 2010 elections.

I'm sure you can make a big volcano with the heat from highly overclocked GTs.

 

[JFAMD]

So, now it is official:

http://links.amd.com/MagnyCours

 

[jvroig]

So, now it is official:

Read your blog post, saw no links, got lazy so will throw it out here since you are here. What are the final official clocks for the 8 and 12 core Magny-Cours? Is it 2.2GHz?