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Am I wrong to side with PETA?

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Originally posted by: legoman666
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I think you're a hippie and need to realize animals are NOT humans. These horses are NOT being mistreated and this horse was put out of its misery. Furthermore, I'd have no problem with eating horses if they tasted good. Hell, I'd cook and eat you if you tasted good. Fuck PETA.
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I'm with you on this one.

I have no empathy with animals. Not with dogs, cats or anything. It's just how I am. I see no difference between an ant or a dog.
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That's kind of sick. When is the last time you saw an ant acting like a family member?
 
Originally posted by: Vic
You are wrong. There is no evidence that the jockey knew the horse was so seriously injured prior to the finish. PETA is just grandstanding this freak tragedy for the sake of their ideological agenda.
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Not only is there zero evidence, the horse would not have been charging like she did if she was injured.

Just another example of PETA knee jerk reaction to something they don't understand. To any rational person they lost credibility long ago.

And as somebody from KY deeply involved in the horse racing industry (friends that train/own and a player), it's not a freak tragedy. It happens all the time. These horses are loved as much as a human loves another human.
 
animals deserve a certain amount of respect, i wouldnt want to eat an abused animal, or a sick one. this is why we have Rules & Regulations... and standards.
can animals feel? sure, but they are not human. and if we dont regulate them (hunting ect) then they will have other problems.

endangered animals should be protected, but you shouldnt have to "lose" a house because one appeared in your area.
i think pen and teller made an episode about this. good stuff.

we should stop wasting money on drugs, the war on drugs (..just weed), peta, corn oil for gasoline, and whatever else to focus and save real people.

on a side note horse is supposed to be super excellent meat, but we use them for glue.
 
On this particular issue, you may agree with them. However, I'd be careful about siding with any organization unless you're really familiar with all their positions, how they run things, etc. (I'm not sure if this is what you were asking or not). People will probably zone out if they hear anything about PETA. It's got a real stigma attached to it.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Vic
You are wrong. There is no evidence that the jockey knew the horse was so seriously injured prior to the finish. PETA is just grandstanding this freak tragedy for the sake of their ideological agenda.
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Not only is there zero evidence, the horse would not have been charging like she did if she was injured.

Just another example of PETA knee jerk reaction to something they don't understand. To any rational person they lost credibility long ago.

And as somebody from KY deeply involved in the horse racing industry (friends that train/own and a player), it's not a freak tragedy. It happens all the time. These horses are loved as much as a human loves another human.
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I was there watching the race when this happened.
Spidey is right horses do go down all the time and have to be euthanized, though the injury that happened to Eight Belles (breaking both front ankles) is unusual. The vets, jockeys, owners and trainers will do everything in their power to save a horse.
I have watched jockeys literally brace a horses' leg to save it.
Just because one horse out of nearly 100 that ran that day went down PETA decides to make a stink.
Fuck em.
 
As another KY resident, horses are treated better here than humans. If you think a trainer/owner would push their horse too far just to get second place in the Derby whilst foregoing possibly millions of dollars in stud fees, you are sorely mistaken.
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I think you're a hippie and need to realize animals are NOT humans. These horses are NOT being mistreated and this horse was put out of its misery. Furthermore, I'd have no problem with eating horses if they tasted good. Hell, I'd cook and eat you if you tasted good. Fuck PETA.
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Can we be friends? Seriously. I'm not even kidding.

Response to OP: Causes are a stupid liability. Life sucks, get a helmet.
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
As another KY resident, horses are treated better here than humans. If you think a trainer/owner would push their horse too far just to get second place in the Derby whilst foregoing possibly millions of dollars in stud fees, you are sorely mistaken.
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Yeah, common sense and facts don't make sense in an emotional tug on the heart strings.

A trainer or owner WOULD NEVER EVER put the horse in the race if there was even a hint of problems, not at this stage of the game. Hell, War Pass was pulled from the Derby. Jones pulled her from the Oaks and ran her in the Derby because she was just THAT good. See my KY derby post, she really was incredible. Hence why she beat out 18 other horses.

Look to the comments of people close to the sport like her trainer and owner. I know...it sucks. A horse broke down on the track after the finish line. It sucks, but it happens.

To point fingers at the jockey is so out of this world ignorant that I really can't put it into words in a post.
 
ATOT, where the simple-minded belief that "ebbyting otay" and "big business has our best interests at heart" still lives. :brokenheart:
 
I think it needs to be looked at on a case by case basis.
Some animals actually enjoy what they do .
Go out to a real farm and spend time with some of the animals that PETA would claim are mistreated.
Short story about my grandfather.

He had a horse they used to plow the fields with, also used it to get to town pulling a cart.
When he retired he retired the horse to the pasture.
The horse quit eating.
One day he needed to get to town and the truck wouldn't crank.
He hitched back up the horse and went to town.
The horse ate more than it ever did before when they got back.
He learned the horse was basically depressed about not pulling things anymore so once a week he took it out for a bit.
Never had any more problems with the horse eating.

I see it the same way with race horses.
They are born to race and do it all their lives.
Its like telling a marathon racer that they can't run anymore.

 
Originally posted by: Perknose
ATOT, where the simple-minded belief that "ebbyting otay" and "big business has our best interests at heart" still lives. :brokenheart:
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What? Maybe I missed it but nobody is saying that. In fact, most have reserves over PETA because they ARE a big business.

What they are saying is that Big Buisnesses have their best interests at heart, if you make money off a horse, doesn't it behoove you to take REALLY good care of said horse? It is your investment, and any business with a brain will ensure their investment is good for as long as possible.
 
I have to say that while I do agree that when a horse breaks a leg he should be shot, the training shouldn't leave these animals so thin that the bones will break with something as simple as running. They train them to be so thin but this was way too far.

Most animals don't have the complex thought patterns to know they are being mistreated or strained to hard. It needed to be put down obviously, which was the right thing to do. But something is wrong when the animal that's trained for that sport can't even DO that sport.
 
PETA is far too extreme, they can suck my nuts. I am all for 'animal rights' but there is a limit, and PETA crosses it everytime.
 
Originally posted by: gorcorps
I have to say that while I do agree that when a horse breaks a leg he should be shot, the training shouldn't leave these animals so thin that the bones will break with something as simple as running. They train them to be so thin but this was way too far.

Most animals don't have the complex thought patterns to know they are being mistreated or strained to hard. It needed to be put down obviously, which was the right thing to do. But something is wrong when the animal that's trained for that sport can't even DO that sport.
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It's not an issue with training but breeding programs. I saw a story yesterday that talked about the money is so huge in horse racing that the fastest horses are bred without taking into consideration possible hereditary defects that are being passed on.
 
well, these horses are given performance-inhancing drugs (a bit of a stretch, sure; but it can be argued that anti-inflamatories work in such a way).

the problem with PETA's involvement in this issue is the same as their improper involvement in any other issue they choose to address: mis-appropriation.

WTF would they go after the jockey that was riding the horse? This is completely ridiculous. Just like every other industry that they dip their mits in, PETA clearly has no idea how to direct their resources into confronting the issues they think they understand. They clearly have no idea where the "blame" if any, lies in horse racing.
 
Originally posted by: Baked
PETA should be categorized as a cult w/ a bunch of hippies high on whatever shit they're on all the time. Dogs and cats get put down in animal shelters everyday, why don't they go protect at their city's SPCA? Oh that's right, nobody gives a fuck about local news. PETA is run by a bunch of attention whores who got banned from all the online forums.

I could give a shit about your animal rights when we have billions of humans suffering everyday around the globe. How about these PETA change their focus to something more meaningful.
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^this :thumbsup:
 
Hmm... 😕 thats weird. And here I was thinking horse races were actually GOOD for horses. You know.. a race horse usually gets treated and fed well. Gets good veterinary care. And is also more healthy than a horse that doesn't race! All that running exercise and such.
 
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