Am I the only one that thinks the Ipod sucks?

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: davew0670
do any of the these "mp3" players play other formats besides mp3? Mp3 sucks.

1. Yes.
2. Show where MP3 sucks. A well-encoded MP3 is transparent from the original at a decent bitrate (LAME 3.90.2 APS, though 3.96.1 should be as good), and will be better on the battery than any other popular format.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: Cerb
In *n*x, you usually log in as the equivalent of a Windows power user. To install non-standard software or access any files or services that would need admin priveledges, you must log in as root to do so.
In Windows, that means you LOG OUT, shutting most apps down, log back in as admin, do the work, log out, log back in as the less powerful user. Clunky.
In *n*x, you log in as root right there, and just that terminal session or other app is root for the duration that time--it's seamless. This makes doing such things easier, and adds a layer of simple security in that you are prompted for the root password. It adds security in that your kids can use the PC w/o having admin priveledges, and that programs that need admin priveledges must prompt you for them, as they are actually needing to log on as a separate user. If you're prompted for it and don't know why, then we have entered a new age of malware--but still not as simple as using IE to get it in Windows.

Shift-Right Click-Run As :roll:

Right, that's SO superior...get halfway through some software installation, or sometimes updates, and be told you need admin rights, and having cancel and do it over again, being a typical user knowing this, vs. being asked for the admin PW. MS is tacking it on, but *n*xes already have it done, and well. It shouldn't have to be done with an inane keybaord shortcut...it should simply be, even if that is a bad pun.

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Atomicus
how the hell do you break an Ipod? How about getting a iskin for it?

Dropped it, dunno I wouldn't know because I've never had one. I've seen them with cracked screens and all, I mean think about it. If you carried your HDD around, how much longer do you think it would last if you covered it in plastic? Sure it's got some protection but lugging along a HDD is never a good idea, just think about how many times the Heads would crash into the platters each time jimmy smashes it agianst the window because hes retarded.. Thats why when you shake a camera with Compact flash cards, nothing happens ever because its all electronic. The compact flash cards are much better and if they were to make a flash based music player with the kind of capacities like iRiver's HDD based players do now, that would be sick. All you gotta do it take a regular compact flash and instead of having one, you could either put them in a series or just make one bigass one.

There were MP3 players that used cards originally, i had an LG model (sorry, cant remember model number now) that i think used MMC rather than compact flash, altho i could be mistaken. But i think the whole move to solid state internal memory or mini HDD was to do away with the need to carry cards on you and keep having to change them out. Also from a marketing point of view, its much easier to sell a product that comes as is, no need to spend more money on the media for it.

On the topic subject, i've tried a large variety of players (solid state, MC and HDD) over the years for sound quality (ie tested in shop with my headphones, not bought them) and for the most part i've found Creatives products to be the better quality, whether playing back in MP3 or WMA, one iRiver was very good, and iPod was reasonable, altho my LG was actually the best i heard around the time i had it (about 3 years ago i think now). For build quality Creatives again are usually fairly good, specially their solid state Muvo models, but their small HDD ones (1.5 & 4Gb i think) are rather flimsy....The LG i had was amazing build quality, iPods are reasonably good, iRiver sometimes have come across a little cheap on teh build tho.
For the reason i need one, the Creative Muvo's have always been the best buy tho, currently im on a 256Mb MuvoTX with USB 2.0......lovely device, good sound quality, good features with the LCD dislay, USB 2.0 means pretty much instant song transfer, can plug it into most computers and download off them, plays MP3 and WMA and can hold any other file as storage. Gives me 14hrs off one AAA battery with the headphones im using (low draw thankfully) which is very good, is small and reasonably lightweight, and comes with a funky armband, which if i was a gorgeous blonde bird with a big balcony training in a gym would fit nicely around my upper arm.....alas im a brown haired bloke with a minor weight problem and of large general build anyhow, so its snugly around my wrist...lol. Because i only use it on the train to work and back, or going to shops etc, so the memory size is enough for me, i can quickly change the music when i feel like it, take a few mins to completly reload it with different music. In my opinion an iPod or Creative Zen or any other HDD based machine is only really useful if you use it for a good few hours nonstop, or get bored with a tune very quickly and only want to listen to it once a month.
Ok, thats me done.....damn im bored at work today..lol

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Taejin
The iPod is a good mp3 player, but there are better out there.

loic is a rabid iPod defender - I would not expect any sort of reliable information from him.

Taejin thinks the iPod has a radio and doesn't back up his "arguments" with anything. :disgust:. I would not expect any sort of reliable information from him.:thumbsup:

The ipod is great because I don't like Gurck's dog.
Neodymium magnets make headphones good.
What? They don't? Ok well you're a mega nerd audiophile for knowing that

Who am I?

 

[Budmantom]

I like my Dell DJ.



Tom

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Taejin
The iPod is a good mp3 player, but there are better out there.

loic is a rabid iPod defender - I would not expect any sort of reliable information from him.

Taejin thinks the iPod has a radio and doesn't back up his "arguments" with anything. :disgust:. I would not expect any sort of reliable information from him.:thumbsup:

The ipod is great because I don't like Gurck's dog.
Neodymium magnets make headphones good.
What? They don't? Ok well you're a mega nerd audiophile for knowing that

Who am I?

....

I've run out of plausable arguments so I've resorted to childish insults.

Who am I?

...

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: Cerb
In *n*x, you usually log in as the equivalent of a Windows power user. To install non-standard software or access any files or services that would need admin priveledges, you must log in as root to do so.
In Windows, that means you LOG OUT, shutting most apps down, log back in as admin, do the work, log out, log back in as the less powerful user. Clunky.
In *n*x, you log in as root right there, and just that terminal session or other app is root for the duration that time--it's seamless. This makes doing such things easier, and adds a layer of simple security in that you are prompted for the root password. It adds security in that your kids can use the PC w/o having admin priveledges, and that programs that need admin priveledges must prompt you for them, as they are actually needing to log on as a separate user. If you're prompted for it and don't know why, then we have entered a new age of malware--but still not as simple as using IE to get it in Windows.

Shift-Right Click-Run As :roll:

 

[i3rYs0n]

i dislike the larger verion, but the ipod mini is nice (for size and style). I doubt it would survive through the wash like my creative muvo tx fm did . I hate the flash based, i want to see what is goin on, but price for size isn't too bad.

If all mp3 players were the same price then i would get an ipod, but since they are not i get the cheap creative (but good value) MuVo @ wally world (was cheaper than newegg) and enjoy just as much as i would an ipod mini.

i3

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: Cerb
In *n*x, you usually log in as the equivalent of a Windows power user. To install non-standard software or access any files or services that would need admin priveledges, you must log in as root to do so.
In Windows, that means you LOG OUT, shutting most apps down, log back in as admin, do the work, log out, log back in as the less powerful user. Clunky.
In *n*x, you log in as root right there, and just that terminal session or other app is root for the duration that time--it's seamless. This makes doing such things easier, and adds a layer of simple security in that you are prompted for the root password. It adds security in that your kids can use the PC w/o having admin priveledges, and that programs that need admin priveledges must prompt you for them, as they are actually needing to log on as a separate user. If you're prompted for it and don't know why, then we have entered a new age of malware--but still not as simple as using IE to get it in Windows.

Shift-Right Click-Run As :roll:

Right, that's SO superior...get halfway through some software installation, or sometimes updates, and be told you need admin rights, and having cancel and do it over again, being a typical user knowing this, vs. being asked for the admin PW. MS is tacking it on, but *n*xes already have it done, and well. It shouldn't have to be done with an inane keybaord shortcut...it should simply be, even if that is a bad pun.

I never said it was superior. I simply corrected your inaccurate statement:

In Windows, that means you LOG OUT, shutting most apps down, log back in as admin, do the work, log out, log back in as the less powerful user. Clunky.

But feel free to continue backpedaling.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've run out of plausable arguments so I've resorted to childish insults.

At least you're able to admit it, that's a big first step. Up until now you've been justifying bringing my dog into a discussion about digital audio players when confronted with the undeniable reality that the one mommy & daddy bought you is the AOL of DAPs.

 

[James3shin]

don't knock it till you try it...

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: James3shin
don't knock it till you try it...

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've run out of plausable arguments so I've resorted to childish insults.

At least you're able to admit it, that's a big first step. Up until now you've been justifying bringing my dog into a discussion about digital audio players when confronted with the undeniable reality that the one mommy & daddy bought you is the AOL of DAPs.

Wow. I thought you'd be able to resist the most pathetic and desperate retaliation, but no, you actually went for it :laugh:

As you've seen in other threads, everyone is really sick of your puerile trolling, gurck. Your arguments are 90% inaccurate or elaborated half truths at best. When confronted with decent reasons as why the iPod/itunes combination is superior you fall back on the same lame reasons and resort to calling the users (sorry, proponents: I know you like impress us all with your thesaurus skills) children or fools which simply further enforces the fact that you are ignorant of what constitutes the public domain, along with it's requirements, as well as displaying that your seemingly random hatred for apple products (although, browsing your other posts, you do in fact display some very obvious psychological issues-but I don't want to embarrass you with these in public) has effected your reasoning and ability to produce a fair and un-biased opinion.

But go on, fall back on how I once mocked your dog, and make up some BS about how I think headphones require car batteries (link?). It works wonders.

 

[Gurck]

It's a really interesting study on brainwashing that speaking honestly and factually about a bad but heavily marketed product is considered "trolling". I've made no secret of the fact that I don't personally like itunes, but I've never claimed nobody should use it; only that people should have a choice. Good thing I have kids like you to twist my statements and put words in my mouth; it makes me a more nimble debator

children or fools which simply further enforces the fact that you are ignorant of what constitutes the public domain

The average IQ in my country is about a hundred. Enough said. Figure it out, and put an icepack on your head if it starts to overheat while you do so :laugh:

make up some BS about how I think headphones require car batteries (link?). It works wonders.

Made up?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: James3shin
don't knock it till you try it...

Thanks, I have. After getting over my initial shock at the bad sound quality, especially in the lower end, I saw firsthand how crappy it is.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Gurck
It's a really interesting study on brainwashing that speaking honestly and factually about a bad but heavily marketed product is considered "trolling". I've made no secret of the fact that I don't personally like itunes, but I've never claimed nobody should use it; only that people should have a choice. Good thing I have kids like you to twist my statements and put words in my mouth; it makes me a more nimble debator

children or fools which simply further enforces the fact that you are ignorant of what constitutes the public domain

The average IQ in my country is about a hundred. Enough said. Figure it out, and put an icepack on your head if it starts to overheat while you do so :laugh:

make up some BS about how I think headphones require car batteries (link?). It works wonders.

Made up?

I just read that entire thread and I have not found any reference to a connection between batteries and headphones.

Also I recall you had a link regarding the .42% THD - can you link that again?

 

[loic2003]

make up some BS about how I think headphones require car batteries (link?). It works wonders.

Made up?[/quote]

If you think that my saying this:

Or.... you could have a 12V car battery in a backpack and have a 12V -> 240VAC converter in there plugged into a £2000 amp with an LP player connected to it. Then you could plug in some £500 headphones and enjoy near perfect sound

and even this:

I wasn't really serious about the car battery/amp rig either, in case you think I was... but if you do put together a setup like I suggested, do post pics

constitutes a genuine opinion of mine then it sure looks like you're one of the sub-average members of your population

It's a really interesting study on brainwashing that speaking honestly and factually about a bad but heavily marketed product is considered "trolling"

I've already called you on this but what hell, just ignore it like always and repeat. Seems to work fine, eh?


Enough said :laugh:

 

[Gurck]

Lol, a weak attemp to save face != not meaning it. Seroiusly, stop posting.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Lol, a weak attemp to save face != not meaning it. Seroiusly, stop posting.

So, there's little smiley faces after the post where I mention the obviously comical idea, then I specifically tell you that it wasn't serious, then I actually mock you for thinking I was serious, but you still think I was serious?!?!:laugh:


Stop lying to try and dig dirt. You've been exposed and not just by myself. I think it's time you left the keyboard alone and stopped embarrassing yourself.

 

[newParadigm]

I like teh iPod cauz i use i ofr more than an mp3player, just look at the software iPodsync, its great, lets u auto dl contacts and aclenders and email from outlook/ Ooutlook Exp.

I also use the iPod to read eBooks on great tool.

But for just mp3's i would agree with most peeps here , too expensive, and to trendy (it seems like since i came back from christmas break, everyone has an iPod, but im still like one out of 3 3rd gen owners at my school of 2000 peeps).

~new




P.S. the click wheel needs to Go Dye in a Fire.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gurck
Lol, a weak attemp to save face != not meaning it. Seroiusly, stop posting.

So, there's little smiley faces after the post where I mention the obviously comical idea, then I specifically tell you that it wasn't serious, then I actually mock you for thinking I was serious, but you still think I was serious?!?!:laugh:

Stop lying to try and dig dirt. You've been exposed and not just by myself. I think it's time you left the keyboard alone and stopped embarrassing yourself.

The car battery reference was just one example of your ridiculously stupid assumptions on the logistics and price of audiophile caliber gear. Trust me, aside from the opinions of a few other children whose mom & dad bought them an ipod (thus obliging them to defend it to death using the anonymity of the internet as a shield), your ignorance about sound quality and cocksure attitude have embarassed you far more than I could ever hope to do. I should link that post to head-fi.org, it would get a lot of laughs

PS. Just wanted to thank the poster before me for supplying yet more evidence about the typical age/intelligence of ipod proponents. And so he can better understand me: "thx u d00d nu pradyme u roxxorz olololo"

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Because the iPod LOOKS GREAT, is small, holds tons of mp3s and data, extremely easy to use, affordable did I mention that it LOOKS GREAT?

Affordable is the one thing the ipod isnt compared to the other players

Im not saying my iRiver was cheap, but it does sound better, especially with good headphones, compared to my iPod i got rid of.

 

[Trevelyan]

Man the iPod isn't really that expensive, I mean its like $60 more than "comparable" players that are larger in physical size. And if you have the educational discount its only like $30 more, plus you get free shipping. The nearest competitor is the iaudio M3 and its only $25 cheaper and its actually MORE EXPENSIVE if you can get Apple's education discount.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Man the iPod isn't really that expensive, I mean its like $60 more than "comparable" players that are larger in physical size. And if you have the educational discount its only like $30 more, plus you get free shipping. The nearest competitor is the iaudio M3 and its only $25 cheaper and its actually MORE EXPENSIVE if you can get Apple's education discount.

It's $100 more than a good player with twice its capacity; the Zen Xtra. iaudio offers a 40gb model with all the trimmings (radio, recording, line in, universal mass storage standard support) for about $70 less than apple's 40gb model - iaudios are smaller or the same size, depending on the model, since size is all you fanboys seem able to harp on (is it because it's the only thing in the ipod's favor, or are you making up for something...?). Not everyone is a student. Life actually goes on for us "old crusty" people who are older than 22 Someday (I know this is hard to believe, Peter Pan, but trust me) you'll be that age as well and ineligible for the discount.

 

[tooltime]

not unless your a girl and they like ... uh...forget it