am I missing something here

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

I'm guessing the Autism factor makes it more difficult.

Remember, vaccines cause Autism!!! (No, I don't really believe that)

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

With modern parenting (or lack of it)?

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

With modern parenting (or lack of it)?

yea? The duh factor in the article blows my mind..

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

With modern parenting (or lack of it)?

heh. a lot of poeple say we are far to strict with my children. I don't think we are close to as bad as my parents were.

I don't think letting a child run wild is good for them.

As for the story well duh!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

With modern parenting (or lack of it)?

heh. a lot of poeple say we are far to strict with my children. I don't think we are close to as bad as my parents were.

I don't think letting a child run wild is good for them.

As for the story well duh!

Good to hear. My parents were strict with Myself and my brother and we are better off I think than a lot of people I see coming to University. They are very lenient with my little brother (partially due to his Epilepsy) and he plays WoW 24/7 and is pulling a C average in high school, is anti-social ect. I think being strict definably sets the tone for the kids life. I told my parents they should cut off his wow, he will hate them for a few months and thank him in 4 years (speaking as a former WoW addict)

 

[Arcadio]

Didn't you get the memo? Every negative aspect about a person is now deemed to be a disease or a disorder. I'm sure if you knew me well, you could name at least a dozen of these new "disorders" about me....

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
Didn't you get the memo? Every negative aspect about a person is now deemed to be a disease or a disorder. I'm sure if you knew me well, you could name at least a dozen of these new "disorders" about me....

I see a new thread...

"What afflictions does Arcadio have? w/ POLL!!"

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

you guys are too hard on these parents. it's not as easy as raising a normal child you can reason with and explain right or wrong to and they are able to comprehend.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

We tried that here and Anand brought in Derek. So everyting is PC/touchie feelie nowadays.

 

[rasczak]

ahh just finished watching the videos. boy, does that bring back memor,err nightmares.

 

[nakedfrog]

For some stupid reason autism is the new ADD/ADHD. I think it's a grave disservice to kids that are actually developmentally challenged by autism to put the same label on kids who just have parents that have no parenting skills.
I did finally meet someone with a kid that falls under this umbrella--he's a brat, runs around screaming and his parents say "Hey, stop that" and his mom asked my wife if she thought he might be autistic.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

you guys are too hard on these parents. it's not as easy as raising a normal child you can reason with and explain right or wrong to and they are able to comprehend.

Well my point was what they outlined for these parents to do.. Set rules, lay down law.

To me it sounds like they just called the parents out for being stupid parents that shouldn't be taking care of an autistic child.

Like paying $5,000 for driver's ed, when you've already had your license for 5 years and have three cars, and the big lessons you learned from that drivers ed course were "drive on the right side of the road (assuming in US) and use your blinkers when turning".

 

[Gunbuster]

Hard to tell from the low res photos but I'm getting a down syndrome feel from her facial structure and posture.

 

[AreaCode707]

Haven't watched the videos (work computer) but my guess is the difference in this case is that the rules are less, "here's the rule, follow it or get grounded" and more, "bad marissa! No soup for you!" instant discipline. Less talk, more action to get through to a kid who isn't capable of processing verbal instructions and future consequences. Since they've got two well-behaved kids it doesn't really sound like bad parenting.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
Didn't you get the memo? Every negative aspect about a person is now deemed to be a disease or a disorder. I'm sure if you knew me well, you could name at least a dozen of these new "disorders" about me....

I think you underestimate the number...

 

[judasmachine]

I would have told them that for less. Anyone want to buy some parenting advice?

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

you guys are too hard on these parents. it's not as easy as raising a normal child you can reason with and explain right or wrong to and they are able to comprehend.

Well my point was what they outlined for these parents to do.. Set rules, lay down law.

To me it sounds like they just called the parents out for being stupid parents that shouldn't be taking care of an autistic child.

Like paying $5,000 for driver's ed, when you've already had your license for 5 years and have three cars, and the big lessons you learned from that drivers ed course were "drive on the right side of the road (assuming in US) and use your blinkers when turning".

you're right in the sense that you set rules and lay down law. i'll give you that. where the foul up here is the way you implement that. this is where the parent lost their way. it's terribly difficult to raise a child such as this one. they do not reason like a normal child. these parent are NOT stupid in any such way. they just needed guidance from an outsider who's stepped away from the personal side of parenting. noone knows how to raise a child right from birth. it's something you learn along the way, try this try that, it worked, it didn't. however that's alright for a normal child, but not for a child with autism or any special need for that matter. i have worked with special needs children ( alot of autistic children) so i have seen the struggles parents have had with this disorder and it's not uncommon.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

you guys are too hard on these parents. it's not as easy as raising a normal child you can reason with and explain right or wrong to and they are able to comprehend.

A child doesn't comprehend right or wrong. They comprehend "If I do this I get punished". Autism is nothing more than bad parenting in the majority of the cases. I've seen it with my own eyes and the kids know how to play the game, all they have to do is act like a dipshit and then the parents run over and cuddle them.

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH....resolution/index.html

The article basically says that after a $20,000 "behavioral" intervention, the parents have now learned they need to set rules for the child, lay down the law instead of letting the child be in control of the house..

wtf.

Shouldn't that be a given? For any child?

you guys are too hard on these parents. it's not as easy as raising a normal child you can reason with and explain right or wrong to and they are able to comprehend.

A child doesn't comprehend right or wrong. They comprehend "If I do this I get punished". Autism is nothing more than bad parenting in the majority of the cases. I've seen it with my own eyes and the kids know how to play the game, all they have to do is act like a dipshit and then the parents run over and cuddle them.

that's utter bullshit. most parents are not trained in dealing with autism. that's not bad parenting, most parents could use a class or two in dealing with autism, but it does not make them bad parents at all. most of the parents who's children i worked with had a good head on their shoulders, but just did not know how to cope with the disorder. the kind of child your using as an example is just a bad seed who needs their ass whupped.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: rasczak

that's utter bullshit. most parents are not trained in dealing with autism. that's not bad parenting, most parents could use a class or two in dealing with autism, but it does not make them bad parents at all. most of the parents who's children i worked with had a good head on their shoulders, but just did not know how to cope with the disorder. the kind of child your using as an example is just a bad seed who needs their ass whupped.

Then why all the what seems to be a popularity contest with parents these days to see whose kid is more autistic than the other? Kid acts up parents go "oh, he must be autistic." I won't discredit it as a true disease but I'd still say the majority that are even diagnosed are a product of bad parenting and not a real disorder.

Parents like to be attention whores and by saying their kid is autistic or paying a doctor to diagnose them as such "here doc, I think he's autistic" they get to have their attention and at the same time absolve themselves of any kind of blame or responsibility for raising a brat. Have you ever seen a bunch of parents gather around and one of the mothers goes "oh, my jimmy is autistic, please forgive him." The all the other mothers hen around and "aww, are you getting treatment? My timmy is autistic too" Then they all talk about whose kid is more autistic than the other and how difficult it is.

It's getting WAY out of hand and it's the new illness to cover up what is essentially a lack of discipline.

 

[AMCRambler]

Bah. I don't care how autistic you are, somebody bitch slaps you, you're gonna get the picture. WHACK! "Ohhh they want me to STFU cuz they're not buying me the barbie corvette!". Everyone sais slapping your kid is bad, spanking is bad but you know what? It friggin works! I got spanked and slapped when I was a little bastard to my parents and I'm not a psychopath or a wife beater today. Corporal punishment needs to come back.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rasczak

that's utter bullshit. most parents are not trained in dealing with autism. that's not bad parenting, most parents could use a class or two in dealing with autism, but it does not make them bad parents at all. most of the parents who's children i worked with had a good head on their shoulders, but just did not know how to cope with the disorder. the kind of child your using as an example is just a bad seed who needs their ass whupped.

Then why all the what seems to be a popularity contest with parents these days to see whose kid is more autistic than the other? Kid acts up parents go "oh, he must be autistic." I won't discredit it as a true disease but I'd still say the majority that are even diagnosed are a product of bad parenting and not a real disorder.

Parents like to be attention whores and by saying their kid is autistic or paying a doctor to diagnose them as such "here doc, I think he's autistic" they get to have their attention and at the same time absolve themselves of any kind of blame or responsibility for raising a brat. Have you ever seen a bunch of parents gather around and one of the mothers goes "oh, my jimmy is autistic, please forgive him." The all the other mothers hen around and "aww, are you getting treatment? My timmy is autistic too" Then they all talk about whose kid is more autistic than the other and how difficult it is.

It's getting WAY out of hand and it's the new illness to cover up what is essentially a lack of discipline.

You do know that autism isn't a yes or no disease. There are levels of it. And what parents wants their kid to be autistic? None.....

Here is the problem. Once a parent starts to realize that some of the behavior isn't normal, they want to create some normalcy. In this case, the mother didn't want the kid to scream. So she let the kid have her way and there was no screaming. That worked for a while but is not maintainable.

Autism is for real and I think it is pretty sad you pretty much just dismiss it.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rasczak

that's utter bullshit. most parents are not trained in dealing with autism. that's not bad parenting, most parents could use a class or two in dealing with autism, but it does not make them bad parents at all. most of the parents who's children i worked with had a good head on their shoulders, but just did not know how to cope with the disorder. the kind of child your using as an example is just a bad seed who needs their ass whupped.

Then why all the what seems to be a popularity contest with parents these days to see whose kid is more autistic than the other? Kid acts up parents go "oh, he must be autistic." I won't discredit it as a true disease but I'd still say the majority that are even diagnosed are a product of bad parenting and not a real disorder.

Parents like to be attention whores and by saying their kid is autistic or paying a doctor to diagnose them as such "here doc, I think he's autistic" they get to have their attention and at the same time absolve themselves of any kind of blame or responsibility for raising a brat. Have you ever seen a bunch of parents gather around and one of the mothers goes "oh, my jimmy is autistic, please forgive him." The all the other mothers hen around and "aww, are you getting treatment? My timmy is autistic too" Then they all talk about whose kid is more autistic than the other and how difficult it is.

It's getting WAY out of hand and it's the new illness to cover up what is essentially a lack of discipline.

Let's differentiate between "autistic" and "autism-spectrum disorder". The latter is the word of the week, for sure. Parents fuss over kids that aren't what the parents perceive to be "normal" and they are definitely pressuring doctors to diagnose a cause for the "abnormality" of not-every-child-is-exactly-alike. Some of those kids may be on the light end autism-spectrum but have every skill to live a normal life with good parenting. Parents repeat to doctors what they read in the news and doctors have to treat it like it's legitimate observation so that the parents don't get pissed.

On the other hand, autism is a serious issue and I really don't think it's overdiagnosed. When your kid can't make eye contact, talk, hurts him/herself when the daily schedule is disrupted even in the least, is obsessively fascinated with (insert something here) to the point of 6-8 hours a day focused on it, that's legitimately a serious issue.

The "majority" of kids diagnosed as autistic are. The number of parents that throw around the word "autism" in a conversation when their poorly-disciplined kid is acting up aren't dealing with real diagnoses, just pop psychology from Newsweek.

 

[takeru]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rasczak

that's utter bullshit. most parents are not trained in dealing with autism. that's not bad parenting, most parents could use a class or two in dealing with autism, but it does not make them bad parents at all. most of the parents who's children i worked with had a good head on their shoulders, but just did not know how to cope with the disorder. the kind of child your using as an example is just a bad seed who needs their ass whupped.

Then why all the what seems to be a popularity contest with parents these days to see whose kid is more autistic than the other? Kid acts up parents go "oh, he must be autistic." I won't discredit it as a true disease but I'd still say the majority that are even diagnosed are a product of bad parenting and not a real disorder.

Parents like to be attention whores and by saying their kid is autistic or paying a doctor to diagnose them as such "here doc, I think he's autistic" they get to have their attention and at the same time absolve themselves of any kind of blame or responsibility for raising a brat. Have you ever seen a bunch of parents gather around and one of the mothers goes "oh, my jimmy is autistic, please forgive him." The all the other mothers hen around and "aww, are you getting treatment? My timmy is autistic too" Then they all talk about whose kid is more autistic than the other and how difficult it is.

It's getting WAY out of hand and it's the new illness to cover up what is essentially a lack of discipline.

You do know that autism isn't a yes or no disease. There are levels of it. And what parents wants their kid to be autistic? None.....

Here is the problem. Once a parent starts to realize that some of the behavior isn't normal, they want to create some normalcy. In this case, the mother didn't want the kid to scream. So she let the kid have her way and there was no screaming. That worked for a while but is not maintainable.

Autism is for real and I think it is pretty sad you pretty much just dismiss it.

i don't think he was saying autism isn't real, but more that its used as an excuse some times in place of better parental judgement. the girl in the video just seems to have possibly minor autism. but screaming fits can be associated to really spoiled children as well. in the case of that video, the parents let her do whatever she pleased. my parents would have kicked her ass for any of that. literally.